To all supermiddleweights in the country

[Alba]

the thing is smigga,is that rob is a legend,on his own laptop!

Because I am a boxing fan that has twice paid to see fight cards where you have featured, gave you allot of credit for your win against Quigley and chasing a fight with Magee. I have watched many of your fights on TV and have continually told anyone that would listen that your brother is the number 1 prospect in the country and going to be the best thing to come out of liverpool since the Beatles. That should earn me enough respect from you to respond to my Groves question which you are still avoiding.

He is fighting end of July and has publicly called you out several times. Will be more than ready for an October date which is when I presume the farcical McDermott fight will happen. If you can give me one good reason why McDermott is your next opponent instead of Groves I will refrain from slating you again.........btw not being ready or experienced enough doesn't count because he is Commonwealth champion and has several good wins at the weight unlike McDermott who doesn't have a win better than Adamu in his career. Its also the exact same situation as your brother against John Simpson. Groves brings more fan interest, sells more tickets, sky would love the fight and the press would get behind it. Its a fight fans want to see and I saw a poll recently where the overwhelming majority of people said he would knock you out. So lets here the reason why your not fighting Groves and facing McDermott in another step backwards and a fight not even scousers will gets excited about?

If you again try to dodge the Groves subject I will continue to assume you are ducking a fight with him. Which is fair enough you have your career to think off and getting stopped by a 9-0 novice would put you back two years and stop any chances of getting a world title fight in the future.

Your last paragraph has NAILED THE COFFIN SHUT on me giving you an answer, to anything you ask!
Just to clarify things: You demand me to answer your question, otherwise you will constantly assume I am ducking him? And you are who exactly? Should I lose sleep over 'robpalmer135'
Yeah right. I have read your posts on the other shite forum you use, You have never had a good word to say about me, have always slagged me off and disrespected me and have picked every other opponent to beat me. Why should I be in the slightest bit bothered what you think or have to say???

So you assume away. I assume you are sitting dressed in your mother's underwear and a gimp suit.... I could be right too

[palooka]

I can't speak for anyone but it seems logical that at the end of the day Smith is the British Champion and wants to move onto bigger things (if it is possible) and make some good money from his belt and his career. Groves is a fast, fresh, big punching young man who is moving up fast. I am pretty sure that there aren't that many title level boxers who are arsed about boxing anyone. They do it day in and day out and are used to getting hit. If a good payday was about then the bout would be agreed. Groves' camp offered De Gale £50,000 to box and it was declined. Most likely because the fight will be worth a lot more than that in a year or 18 months. Carl Dilks wants to box and will face anyone but I doubt he'd do it for free; I can't see Paul Smith, Groves or De Gale being afraid but they have got to get paid commensurate with the risk and the prestige of the bout.

[Bomber 1]

So you assume away. I assume you are sitting dressed in your mother's underwear and a gimp suit.... I could be right too

I see you ain't lost your sense of humour Paul.. I swear you make me laugh...

I think this thread is quite funny to be honest and I also think it's great were getting more pro's on here..

Let's once again not forget that Paul vs McDermott is not confirmed and once again I'll state there's far worse than McDermott, I know for a fact Paul didn't choose McDermott just like I didn't choose Atoli Moore but once again I swear you wouldn't believe how hard Dean Powell's job is...I've witnessed it first hand, Paul wants to fight Magee, FACT, That can't be made and he wants the british title to keep so his team make a fight for him,His team are there to make fights to his benefit and advantage not his hi disadvantage, Hence the word team.. Let's also not forget his last 2 fights were very demanding, To get through them cuts was something else..

[Smigga]

As i've said before Paul .... Not EVERYBODY will like you ....... In fact some people will DISLIKE you!!!

You are in the public eye & have to deal with that, fact!!!
...
So why won't you fight Groves????? ........ It's a fight the boxing public want to see

I could have put my mortgage on this tosser turning up

I am a lucky man. Not everybody likes me, but most people do and I have a 1/2stalker-1/2 troll that posts on every single internet thread where I have a debate

I deal with being in the public eye very well, Mr JCB123. There's never been a thread on here from someone saying they met me and I was arrogant, rude, ignorant, cocky or disrespectful to them, is there?
If there ever is... it will be from someone called JCB1234 or JCB12345 no doubt, and it will be just like you - a load of Barry White

I'm off out for a pint and a fight.
(Joke by the way.... FFN. Good luck Matt Hatton and Martin Murray )

[Cotto16]

Carl dillks av heard that the cuban luis garcia is looking for top ten british supermiddle or lightheavy to fight why dont you fight him? Also i think smith should fight mcdermot to keep busy then him and degale should fight, degale has already said he wants the fight soon and both are warren fighters so should be easy to make

[LeedsLad]

I don't know why you are all arguing because I'd smash the lot of you anyway.

[robpalmer135]

Because I am a boxing fan that has twice paid to see fight cards where you have featured, gave you allot of credit for your win against Quigley and chasing a fight with Magee. I have watched many of your fights on TV and have continually told anyone that would listen that your brother is the number 1 prospect in the country and going to be the best thing to come out of liverpool since the Beatles. That should earn me enough respect from you to respond to my Groves question which you are still avoiding.

He is fighting end of July and has publicly called you out several times. Will be more than ready for an October date which is when I presume the farcical McDermott fight will happen. If you can give me one good reason why McDermott is your next opponent instead of Groves I will refrain from slating you again.........btw not being ready or experienced enough doesn't count because he is Commonwealth champion and has several good wins at the weight unlike McDermott who doesn't have a win better than Adamu in his career. Its also the exact same situation as your brother against John Simpson. Groves brings more fan interest, sells more tickets, sky would love the fight and the press would get behind it. Its a fight fans want to see and I saw a poll recently where the overwhelming majority of people said he would knock you out. So lets here the reason why your not fighting Groves and facing McDermott in another step backwards and a fight not even scousers will gets excited about?

If you again try to dodge the Groves subject I will continue to assume you are ducking a fight with him. Which is fair enough you have your career to think off and getting stopped by a 9-0 novice would put you back two years and stop any chances of getting a world title fight in the future.

Your last paragraph has NAILED THE COFFIN SHUT on me giving you an answer, to anything you ask!
Just to clarify things: You demand me to answer your question, otherwise you will constantly assume I am ducking him? And you are who exactly? Should I lose sleep over 'robpalmer135'
Yeah right. I have read your posts on the other shite forum you use, You have never had a good word to say about me, have always slagged me off and disrespected me and have picked every other opponent to beat me. Why should I be in the slightest bit bothered what you think or have to say???

So you assume away. I assume you are sitting dressed in your mother's underwear and a gimp suit.... I could be right too

[LeedsLad]

There are too many promoters for too few fighters.... plus they are all scared shitless of making risky fights.

There are matchups in each division that should be made immediately, such as:

Fury vs Price
Maccarinelli vs Norton
Smith/Groves/Magee/DeGale/Anderson series of fights
Macklin/Lee/Duddy/Barker/Murray/McEwan series
Small vs Margarito (with loaded gloves)
Brook vs Jennings - hopefully this happens

etc etc

[hurlock]

a pint of paul smith's bitter please DD

are the rumour's true that you would famously neck keg's after a m.e.n show????


if i could picture you it would be sat at home in your arm chair with the racing pidgeon magazine with a body warmer on & adeedas tracky bottoms & flip flop's, with your hair side parted showing your harry potter mars bar with them flared nostrils & toff like frown chilling out in your green room D

hot or cold smigga DD

[whicker]

Groves v Smith isn't likely because they are with different promoters, maybe for a title, but even then!

Finally a bit of common sense.

Well, it's realism, due to how boxing works.

But still, it's a shame that fights like that don't happen.

Likewise De Gale, I can see there being a lot of good opponents domestically that he ends up not fighting.

[m1kee50]

Groves v Smith isn't likely because they are with different promoters, maybe for a title, but even then!

Finally a bit of common sense.

it might be common sense - and no disrespect is meant to you in this Paul - but its also the biggest load of bollocks. Its on a level with saying 'Ferguson and Wenger dont get on so the FA Cup final will instead be ManUtd vs Walsall'

[idle talk]

[jBacca]

Groves v Smith isn't likely because they are with different promoters, maybe for a title, but even then!

Finally a bit of common sense.

it might be common sense - and no disrespect is meant to you in this Paul - but its also the biggest load of bollocks. Its on a level with saying 'Ferguson and Wenger dont get on so the FA Cup final will instead be ManUtd vs Walsall'

Matt, it's not the same thing, FA Cup final has to happen between whoever gets there, whereas Smith and Groves isn't something that has to happen.

Although I'd like it too.

[markp]

It's pretty funny how Smith avoids the Groves question. DD

[m1kee50]

Finally a bit of common sense.

it might be common sense - and no disrespect is meant to you in this Paul - but its also the biggest load of bollocks. Its on a level with saying 'Ferguson and Wenger dont get on so the FA Cup final will instead be ManUtd vs Walsall'

Matt, it's not the same thing, FA Cup final has to happen between whoever gets there, whereas Smith and Groves isn't mandatory.

I know its not exactly the same thing but its of a similar nature.
Maybe the league would have been a better analogy then... as it automatically pitches all the top boys in together... there is always going to be business decisions over ruling fights BUT that doesnt mean we should just sit on our hands or doff our caps to it.

[JCB123]

Groves v Smith isn't likely because they are with different promoters, maybe for a title, but even then!

Finally a bit of common sense.

it might be common sense - and no disrespect is meant to you in this Paul - but its also the biggest load of bollocks. Its on a level with saying 'Ferguson and Wenger dont get on so the FA Cup final will instead be ManUtd vs Walsall'

Good statement!! ......... It is a load of bollocks!!!!

So why will you not fight Groves??? ............ Cos you have different promoters?????????? ......... Poor excuse i'm afraid, the boxing public are asking for the fight and you are ignoring their requests!!!


And don't be so arrogant to claim "I am a lucky man. Not everybody likes me, but most people do" How do you substatiate your claim that most people like you???? .............. I find that comment a little arrogant!

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I like Paul Smith, a very intelligent guy but now he is marking time needlessly on the domestic scene - last thing he needs is McDermott or Carl Dilks - what he needs is a big fight - if not for the EBU title then against a top American because it is now where he needs to be fighting for a world title or an eliminator for one. I can see him fighting these domestic lads and all it takes is one punch and it is all over as regards a world title shot - happened a lot to Mark Kaylor and it happened to Herol Graham more than once. What Paul Smith needs to do is vacate the titles and let the likes of Carl Dilks fight for them - Carl is domestic class at this moment in time and he wants his shot at the British and Commonwealth titles and why not? He wants his shot at the titles rather than Paul Smith. Or thats how I read his original post anyway, I don't think Carl was digging out Paul Smith in paticular.

[robpalmer135]

Your last paragraph has NAILED THE COFFIN SHUT on me giving you an answer, to anything you ask!
Just to clarify things: You demand me to answer your question, otherwise you will constantly assume I am ducking him? And you are who exactly? Should I lose sleep over 'robpalmer135'
Yeah right. I have read your posts on the other shite forum you use, You have never had a good word to say about me, have always slagged me off and disrespected me and have picked every other opponent to beat me. Why should I be in the slightest bit bothered what you think or have to say???

So you assume away. I assume you are sitting dressed in your mother's underwear and a gimp suit.... I could be right too

"we have different promoters" is such a bitch move.

He has called you out. He is seen by 95% of British Boxing fans as the best available challenger and you just don't fancy it. Good luck with the backwards step.

[robpalmer135]

Let's once again not forget that Paul vs McDermott is not confirmed and once again I'll state there's far worse than McDermott, I know for a fact Paul didn't choose McDermott just like I didn't choose Atoli Moore but once again I swear you wouldn't believe how hard Dean Powell's job is...I've witnessed it first hand, Paul wants to fight Magee, FACT, That can't be made and he wants the british title to keep so his team make a fight for him,His team are there to make fights to his benefit and advantage not his hi disadvantage, Hence the word team.. Let's also not forget his last 2 fights were very demanding, To get through them cuts was something else..

Just because theres far worse doesn't mean you should fight someone that wouldn't be in any sane persons first 25 choices. Dean Powell is McDermott's trainer and manager which is the only reason he got picked.

It wouldn't be difficult to make the Groves fight. He wants the fight. He would be ready for october. it would be a big fight. i also seem to remember smith complaining that he couldn't get motivated for shit fights he new he was going to win.

Fair play he had 2 tough fights, but boxing is a tough business do you expect to sell 7000 tickets for a keep busy fight. he is meant to be on the verge of world level he should be getting tested there by top europeans not a gatekeeper he should have fought 3 years ago. its a shit fight. if paul hasnt signed he can still say no, i have faith that he will call out groves on monday, smiths last 2 fights he showed guts lets see more of that and get the fight with groves on instead of a time waster.

[Smigga]

Groves v Smith isn't likely because they are with different promoters, maybe for a title, but even then!

Finally a bit of common sense.

it might be common sense - and no disrespect is meant to you in this Paul - but its also the biggest load of bollocks. Its on a level with saying 'Ferguson and Wenger dont get on so the FA Cup final will instead be ManUtd vs Walsall'

No disrespect but, since when did Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger decide who contests the FA Cup Final?
It is no bollocks at all, I don't talk bollocks.

[m1kee50]

Finally a bit of common sense.

it might be common sense - and no disrespect is meant to you in this Paul - but its also the biggest load of bollocks. Its on a level with saying 'Ferguson and Wenger dont get on so the FA Cup final will instead be ManUtd vs Walsall'

No disrespect but, since when did Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger decide who contests the FA Cup Final?
It is no bollocks at all, I don't talk bollocks.

Just dont lump me in with that JCB geezer Paul... and my point is exactly that they do NOT determine who plays who at any point... 'business' and indeed 'who manages who' or 'who is who' never comes into it... unlike boxing where it is a daily occurence.

as i said above:
there is always going to be business decisions over-ruling fights BUT that doesnt mean we should just sit on our hands or doff our caps to it.

[STEVE WOOD]

Not trying to add any controvesy to this thread but feel I need to stand up for Carl on this one ,as maybe he could have put his points over a little bit clearer. He basically is a fighter who is not scared of loosing and just wants to have a go and see how well he can do. With reference all the fighters named I will clear up on his behalf :-

Brian Magee- We agreed to this fight with 3 different promoters but nothing happened.
George Groves - Was to fight him for British eliminator in April but he got a Commonwealth shot ,we stepped down on the promise of the first defence .
Paul Smith - We were asked if we would have the fight , we said yes but there was no further developments.
James Degale - Tony Quigley was offered this fight and although we had no issues with the fight itself we could not agree terms. Carl heard and said he would have the fight , we got in touch but it seems like we were to late.
Tony Quigley - Apart from me managing both fighters they are very close and I would never suggest they fight each other unless there is somthing big on the end of it for both fighters.
Kenny Anderson - We withdrew from purse bids with him as we had another fight lined up , this is a posibility for the future but first Tony Quigley is due to fight him.
Tony Bellew - We were offered the fight and I turned it down without even speaking to Carl.

Hope that help clears up any issues on Carls behalf. May I also say that this is a shit job for all concerned and a lot harder than outsiders could ever imagine , all boxers feel that things could be better for them and I tell them to think about others when feeling sorry for themselves as no one has it easy.

STEVE WOOD

PS - Even Stevie Wonder knows Carl should not have lost to Adamu or Stubbs.

[Bomber 1]

I know why Paul is not answering the question cos it'll just lead to more questions and also why should he give Groves more publicity off his back, I know first hand that promoters decide exactly what fights are gonna happen and when, Just look at me against Ovil McKenzie?? Him and his manager agreed to fight me before he fought Billy Boyle only for his promoter Frank Maloney to pull him out!! This is just 1 example of how Im trying to show that the promoter is the one in the driving seat.

I personally have tried saying I'll box anyone at 175 and while I know no fighter is personally scared of me I also know it's either there promoter or manager that is directing them away from me, Put the right amount of money in front of Paul and I'll guarentee he fights Groves at the drop of a hat.. Groves also knows it's not easy to make, Just tell me when Frank has sat down round a table with a rival promoter when a double world title fight is not involved?? I really can't remember??

All this talk of Groves means nothing, Paul fights who his matchmaker picks just as Groves does.. Like I've said before it's the promoters in the driving seats so people who are moaning at the fighters for it not happening are moaning at the wrong people,

[Bomber 1]

Not trying to add any controvesy to this thread but feel I need to stand up for Carl on this one ,as maybe he could have put his points over a little bit clearer. He basically is a fighter who is not scared of loosing and just wants to have a go and see how well he can do. With reference all the fighters named I will clear up on his behalf :-

Brian Magee- We agreed to this fight with 3 different promoters but nothing happened.
George Groves - Was to fight him for British eliminator in April but he got a Commonwealth shot ,we stepped down on the promise of the first defence .
Paul Smith - We were asked if we would have the fight , we said yes but there was no further developments.
James Degale - Tony Quigley was offered this fight and although we had no issues with the fight itself we could not agree terms. Carl heard and said he would have the fight , we got in touch but it seems like we were to late.
Tony Quigley - Apart from me managing both fighters they are very close and I would never suggest they fight each other unless there is somthing big on the end of it for both fighters.
Kenny Anderson - We withdrew from purse bids with him as we had another fight lined up , this is a posibility for the future but first Tony Quigley is due to fight him.
Tony Bellew - We were offered the fight and I turned it down without even speaking to Carl.

Hope that help clears up any issues on Carls behalf. May I also say that this is a poop job for all concerned and a lot harder than outsiders could ever imagine , all boxers feel that things could be better for them and I tell them to think about others when feeling sorry for themselves as no one has it easy.

STEVE WOOD

PS - Even Stevie Wonder knows Carl should not have lost to Adamu or Stubbs.

Like I always say about you Steve you do good by your lads and I really have a lot of respect for you, It's good that you've stated all the above details You personally know how hard it is to make fights happen that the people wanna see also, Like I have said before somewhere else the board need to just start putting out eliminators every month.. That is the way forward imo..

[bigdaddy]

I can't speak for anyone but it seems logical that at the end of the day Smith is the British Champion and wants to move onto bigger things (if it is possible) and make some good money from his belt and his career. Groves is a fast, fresh, big punching young man who is moving up fast. I am pretty sure that there aren't that many title level boxers who are arsed about boxing anyone. They do it day in and day out and are used to getting hit. If a good payday was about then the bout would be agreed. Groves' camp offered De Gale £50,000 to box and it was declined. Most likely because the fight will be worth a lot more than that in a year or 18 months. Carl Dilks wants to box and will face anyone but I doubt he'd do it for free; I can't see Paul Smith, Groves or De Gale being afraid but they have got to get paid commensurate with the risk and the prestige of the bout.

Why should Degale take a pay cut to fight Groves