Untelevised Temecula fights!

AC from LA · Post by **AC from LA** » 19 Aug 2002, 02:53

Hi, I was at the Pechanga Resort & Casino in Temecula, California today (August 18th) for the Toney-Robinson and Forbes-Santos doubleheader on Fox. I recorded all the fights on that card, including the non-televised fights. So if you would like them to be added to your database, by all means.

Here they are (and don't worry about accuracy... they are 100% correct.):

Cedric Boswell beat Clarence Goins via KO in 2 (heavyweights) - scheduled for 6 rounds.

Elias Mingucha beat Rojelio Ramirez via unanimous decision in 4 rounds. (junior lightweights)

Bagrat Ohanyan beat Oscar Fuentes via TKO in 2 (heavyweights) - scheduled for 4 rounds. It was both fighters' debuts.

Hope this helps.

AC from LA · Post by **AC from LA** » 19 Aug 2002, 22:44

Evidentally whoever is keeping track of the records didn't trust me enough to include my data in the database. As a result, the results boxrec has posted for the Temecula fights are now incorrect. :x

John Clark did not lose to Bagrat Ohanyan. In fact, Clark never fought on the card. He was scheduled to fight in a swing bout that never happened. It was Oscar Fuentes that lost to Ohanyan, and it wasn't a KO, it was a TKO in 2.

And the Boswell win was a KO, not a TKO.

If you want an accurate record, you can trust what I wrote in the first post. As of right now, poor John Clark has a loss on his record he shouldn't have.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 20 Aug 2002, 10:45

The first entries were put up by 3 different editors with probably different sources.

Established newspaper sites like San Diego Union-Tribune, Orange County Register & North County Times did not report the under card.

So called boxing news sites Max Boxing & Seconds Out also neglected the under card.
Fight News Com. has been down the last 2 days.

Fiona Manning of Boxing Talk wrote,
Heavyweight Bagrat Ohanyan made an impressive debut opposite John Clark, stopping him cold in the second of a schedule four round bout.
Ohanyan is up 1-0, 1KO and Clark dips to 2-2, 2KOs.

However, Neil Kapin of Boxing Insider agreed with U as he wrote,
Armenian heavyweight Bagrat Ohanyan knocked out Oscar Fuentes in round two as both fighters made their pro debuts.

Notice they both wrote it was a KO.(Not TKO)

All of the above want us to trust them for boxing news.

We will have 2 see what the results of the CA. boxing Commish sez.
But don’t hold yer breath.
They are very slow at giving out results.

AC from LA · Post by **AC from LA** » 20 Aug 2002, 15:22

Thanks for clearing that up, Blue. Yes, things can definitely get mind-boggling when different people are reporting different things. I can tell you that Fiona Manning was definitely wrong about john Clark. He was one of the swing bouts but never fought. And for what it's worth, I'm positive that it was a TKO, not a KO regardless of what they say. The ref didn't even start a count during the stoppage as Fuentes was already knocked down a couple of times in the round. I remember the specific details of that fight since I had made a wager with a friend that went along with me on that fight.

Now the Goins fight, now that was definitely a KO. The ref counted him out.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 20 Aug 2002, 16:43

If a guy is on his back when the referee waves off the bout, that should go in as a KO, not as a TKO. That's no different than Toney-Robinson and Tua-Moorer, which were officially (announced) KO's.

AC from LA · Post by **AC from LA** » 20 Aug 2002, 17:06

tegenm wrote:If a guy is on his back when the referee waves off the bout, that should go in as a KO, not as a TKO. That's no different than Toney-Robinson and Tua-Moorer, which were officially (announced) KO's.

Last time I checked on boxrec, the Toney win over Robinson was entered as a TKO.

And if that's the true definition, then the Fuentes one is kinda hazy. He was getting teed off on and may have dropped to his knees when the ref stepped in. I would call that a TKO.