Yep it all points to a an embarrassingly executed fix. Was this the first time in the history of Aussie sport betting the winning wagers were honored along with refund all losing bets? Good for the punters not so for the sport of boxing.dan h wrote:What "condition" is that Anton?
one minute his team is saying that he is naturally fit everyday and retired because of personal reasons and green is in trouble.
then we are told he was so unfit he was able to remember what gym he was going to blah blah blah. Surely his team would have noticed that pulled out.
All the betting money and the footage I saw tells me that the fight was a farce and Briggs always intended on going down on the 1st.
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some of you fellows need to be hit a lot harder than briggs to wake you up, that farce was a disgrace and an insult to fight fans intelligence,thank christ i can still remember the great fighters we had, they didn,t worry about stepping up a division, they fought the best,because they wanted to be the best,they would front up every chance they got, not these gym junkies we,ve got now, they and their handlers are killing a great sport,i will see exfighters next week that can hold their head high, all the best ![[icon_shame.gif] :shame:](./images/smilies/icon_shame.gif)
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Beltane wrote:First big question is why was Paul so desperate for the payday to risk his physical and mental health by getting back in the ring.
Simple. He is broke and no good at anything else. To a desperate man $200,000 is reason enough to take a big chance.
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he knew it was going to be an easy earn
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Saturday's Telegraph has the reason why Briggs returned to the ring and as Brute said earlier, he need the brass badly:
No one thought about any duty of care for Briggs and his visible troubles but let him get sacrificed in the ring. Just how lucky Briggs was (and the sport of boxing), when it was only Green's jab that put him down and not a full force left hook, otherwise the coroner would have been investigating.Further complicating the mess, everyone who's anyone in Australian boxing has confirmed that Briggs has been in an extremely fragile mental state for well over 12 months.
Depression is one issue, coupled with his marriage split with wife Tasha as well as financial difficulties.
Those close to Briggs say the $200,000 purse on offer to fight Green was simply too tempting for him to resist.
The fight should have been called off after Briggs was knocked out twice sparring in the six-week lead-up, once by the big-punching Victor Oganov.
The same goes for when he was crying in the dressing rooms prior to walking out into Challenge Stadium.
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Anton, I take it Danny is lying during his recent interview on radio? Going by what you have stated above Danny should have known all about Briggsy. Danny has said he holds Billy and the rest of the Briggs camp accountable for not informing them of Briggsy's state. He went on to say that the feedback from the camp was that Briggs had KO'd 2 sparring partners and was very heavy handed. I havent heard the interview but I am just going by quotes on Foxsports news.AntonS wrote:Green Machine Promotions was well aware of Briggs' condition
I see Briggs has also spoken for the first time and as expected, has said the punch was legitimate....will we ever know ??
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Said it before and I will say it again.....amwsnw wrote:Anton, I take it Danny is lying during his recent interview on radio? Going by what you have stated above Danny should have known all about Briggsy. Danny has said he holds Billy and the rest of the Briggs camp accountable for not informing them of Briggsy's state. He went on to say that the feedback from the camp was that Briggs had KO'd 2 sparring partners and was very heavy handed. I havent heard the interview but I am just going by quotes on Foxsports news.AntonS wrote:Green Machine Promotions was well aware of Briggs' condition
I see Briggs has also spoken for the first time and as expected, has said the punch was legitimate....will we ever know ??
My brother has spent 30 years in the cops with the last 15 in the PCYC and as a results knows most of the boxers that train in the clubs.
He saw Briggs spar at South Sydney PCYC several weeks before the fight and said he was in no shape to take on anyone let alone Green.
There was a reason that Johnny Lewis would not train Briggs again...and he had to get Hussein
He retired due to health problems that were related to adrenal/neurological problems
If people remember he took time off to recover from his health issues and then he made a comeback to training to return to the ring (on the Gold Coast) only to shelve it again...
If anyone is to blame or is a DOG it is Billy Hussein who obviously new what was going on but chose to ignore it so he could get his grubby little fingers on his 10% cut of Briggs pay cheque.
He was the one who was continually talking up Briggs telling anyone who would hear what great shape he was in when that was obviously a lie. Fenech came in and saw how bad Briggs was and that is why he left team Briggs.
If Green knew how bad Briggs was there would be no way the fight would have gone ahead
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green new the situation & still went ahead...$$$$$$$ both to blame
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WTF has that got to do with anything? Is a doctor required to have suffered from a particular illness before he's qualified to comment on it?scottearley123456 wrote:Marlin wrote:He writes for Australia's oldest and most respected newspaper :Pyid14 wrote:It does sound very bad but Who is Jamie Pandaram?
yeah but how many fights has he had ?
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I love how some people really believe unless you've fought professionally you shouldn't comment, makes little to fark all sense.
It's the same mentality with those closely associated with a boxer, make all the good comments you want, but as soon as make constructive criticism you know nothing
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It's the same mentality with those closely associated with a boxer, make all the good comments you want, but as soon as make constructive criticism you know nothing
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Green and Briggs camp is all in on it. Here's my basic scenario...
Keep in mind Green is at the end of his career so is looking at generating as much publicity/moolah as he can through his networks, PR while he still can. This includes the calling out of the best cruiser/heavyweights in OZ and Globally- Holyfield, Tarver, Hopkins, Brock Lesnar (UFC), basically any fighter with a name/reputation or over the hill ex-champ so he can piggy back off and generate interest in the sporting market. Reputable well known fighter = publicity circus = value to the market (so fans think so) = majority $$$ to Greens pocket. Green becomes a hero, value goes up and then it all just repeats. Doesn't always happen like this though...
The Green/Briggs promo was suppose to happen in NSW but we all know the combat authority of NSW didn't allow it because of Briggs inactivity and past and current medical issues. Green machine promotions was promoting the event with the help of Events NSW which would of meant much needed capital was injected to cover some major costs as it did with the Roy Jones/Green fight. Also major sponsors including star city (ring mat) were also assisting with the promotion. Further revenue came from petty sponsors, ticket sales and merchandise.
Now because of the cancellation, guess what? No Events NSW, No NSW major sponsors and low corporate/ general ticket sales which meant they had to cover the massive costs themselves. Could green machine afford to cover costs with only 2-3 weeks to go? No!... Contracts are all in place with Main event, pubs and clubs, suppliers and so forth. Panic mode. Time to stir the media and general public. Oh...and sue NSW Combat authority for lost revenue for anyone who can recall. Even though it didn’t happen. (All part of the plan)
Event now moves to Perth, because Green is established there and can get the Venue filled in short notice with at least 50-70% paying customers. In the mean time, Green/Briggs camp is working their magic in the background… (Bets etc. Devious strategic planning-another topic)
Briggs Purse 200K approx, Greens Purse 500k upwards but remember, Green Machine promo has got to cover all the costs first before any profit. Because of the entire debacle so far, green machine promotions would have been in the red.
Now go figure the rest!
Keep in mind Green is at the end of his career so is looking at generating as much publicity/moolah as he can through his networks, PR while he still can. This includes the calling out of the best cruiser/heavyweights in OZ and Globally- Holyfield, Tarver, Hopkins, Brock Lesnar (UFC), basically any fighter with a name/reputation or over the hill ex-champ so he can piggy back off and generate interest in the sporting market. Reputable well known fighter = publicity circus = value to the market (so fans think so) = majority $$$ to Greens pocket. Green becomes a hero, value goes up and then it all just repeats. Doesn't always happen like this though...
The Green/Briggs promo was suppose to happen in NSW but we all know the combat authority of NSW didn't allow it because of Briggs inactivity and past and current medical issues. Green machine promotions was promoting the event with the help of Events NSW which would of meant much needed capital was injected to cover some major costs as it did with the Roy Jones/Green fight. Also major sponsors including star city (ring mat) were also assisting with the promotion. Further revenue came from petty sponsors, ticket sales and merchandise.
Now because of the cancellation, guess what? No Events NSW, No NSW major sponsors and low corporate/ general ticket sales which meant they had to cover the massive costs themselves. Could green machine afford to cover costs with only 2-3 weeks to go? No!... Contracts are all in place with Main event, pubs and clubs, suppliers and so forth. Panic mode. Time to stir the media and general public. Oh...and sue NSW Combat authority for lost revenue for anyone who can recall. Even though it didn’t happen. (All part of the plan)
Event now moves to Perth, because Green is established there and can get the Venue filled in short notice with at least 50-70% paying customers. In the mean time, Green/Briggs camp is working their magic in the background… (Bets etc. Devious strategic planning-another topic)
Briggs Purse 200K approx, Greens Purse 500k upwards but remember, Green Machine promo has got to cover all the costs first before any profit. Because of the entire debacle so far, green machine promotions would have been in the red.
Now go figure the rest!
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You should make movies !! But your theory does have some merit.adnileb wrote:Green and Briggs camp is all in on it. Here's my basic scenario...
Keep in mind Green is at the end of his career so is looking at generating as much publicity/moolah as he can through his networks, PR while he still can. This includes the calling out of the best cruiser/heavyweights in OZ and Globally- Holyfield, Tarver, Hopkins, Brock Lesnar (UFC), basically any fighter with a name/reputation or over the hill ex-champ so he can piggy back off and generate interest in the sporting market. Reputable well known fighter = publicity circus = value to the market (so fans think so) = majority $$$ to Greens pocket. Green becomes a hero, value goes up and then it all just repeats. Doesn't always happen like this though...
The Green/Briggs promo was suppose to happen in NSW but we all know the combat authority of NSW didn't allow it because of Briggs inactivity and past and current medical issues. Green machine promotions was promoting the event with the help of Events NSW which would of meant much needed capital was injected to cover some major costs as it did with the Roy Jones/Green fight. Also major sponsors including star city (ring mat) were also assisting with the promotion. Further revenue came from petty sponsors, ticket sales and merchandise.
Now because of the cancellation, guess what? No Events NSW, No NSW major sponsors and low corporate/ general ticket sales which meant they had to cover the massive costs themselves. Could green machine afford to cover costs with only 2-3 weeks to go? No!... Contracts are all in place with Main event, pubs and clubs, suppliers and so forth. Panic mode. Time to stir the media and general public. Oh...and sue NSW Combat authority for lost revenue for anyone who can recall. Even though it didn’t happen. (All part of the plan)
Event now moves to Perth, because Green is established there and can get the Venue filled in short notice with at least 50-70% paying customers. In the mean time, Green/Briggs camp is working their magic in the background… (Bets etc. Devious strategic planning-another topic)
Briggs Purse 200K approx, Greens Purse 500k upwards but remember, Green Machine promo has got to cover all the costs first before any profit. Because of the entire debacle so far, green machine promotions would have been in the red.
Now go figure the rest!
Star City (NSW) remained a sponsor of the event although it qwas in WA. They are not a WA name, only really known on the east coast. We have Burswood over here. Of the 5500 seats in the stadium I think there was about 4500-5000 people there, unknown how many actually paid but the lighting for the TV made it look sold out.
As far as Green fighting washed up and over the hill opponents you mention Hopkins in that scenario ?? Interesting because I think he is still ranked in the p4p rankings. Holyfield if he wins his next fight has been told he will get acrack at Wlad !! It is funny that people jump all over Green for fighting RJJ (I take it you include RJJ as a washed up over the hill ex champ) as a publicity stunt, when at the time he fought him people around the world had RJJ winning comfortably.
I am not sure how close Greeny is to the end of his career. Some have said it may be a year away some have said several years. What I do know is that "if" Danny fought any of the top lt heavies or cruisers in the world he would hold his own. As for the Briggs and Green camps knowing about what has gone on, well who will ever know. I am confident that Danny himself was not aware what was happening even if he had had concerns prior about Pauls health.
What has ahppend with the betting does not take all those involved to make it happen. It is very simple......one bloke gets many to place bets. That one person knows what the outcome will be and collects. Only Briggsy and danny know if he was hit hard enough to KO him. Only Briggsy knows if he was KO'd but I am getting a bit sick and tired of the blame being directed at danny.
Yes he should fight some decent competition and I dont think Cameron is the answer.
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A cricket writer.yid14 wrote:It does sound very bad but Who is Jamie Pandaram?
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I care about Paul's health, p4p, I have enjoyed a great many of his fights and he has contributed a lot to boxing and kick boxing. I have had a couple of, all be it briefly, dealings with him in the early kickboxing days, have friends who are friends of his and one of my mates even beat him in a kick boxing fight.p4p1 wrote:Kind of sad that no-one who has commented really gives a eff about briggs' health there is obviously something majorly wrong if that punch puts him out and by all accounts he was genuinley out. Yous should really take a hard look at yourselves because you dont seem flying eff about this blokes life and care more about your 50 bucks.
But he took a dive, and I don't believe it was the first time either.