Tony "Jaffa" Jeffries

[dondada]

Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy. It's all about the facts, baby:

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/bo ... -26921929/?

Of course, like every other sub-editor in the world, this will be someone else's fault!

[rhino222]

firstly..Ian..that is a shockingly written article, by someone who, i presume, gets suitable remuneration for their efforts !!! .... and where was the editor !!


secondly.... tony the mackem on fri night, its no good us all going on about was it 6 or 8 rounds or whatever. the problem is with TJ, even in the first 6 rounds i saw no controlled boxing, no combinations and no well schooled work, so what has gone wrong with the fella.

is it a health issue?

is it his trainer?

is TJ just not good enough for the pro game?

was the opponent better than we thought?

is it a promotional issue?

[Spud]

Conditioning is simple but it takes hard graft. Anyone who is blowing as early as Tony was, hasn't worked hard enough - at the right things - and/or has ballsed their fuelling up. His technical flaws were a result of his poor conditioning.

I agree - something defo wrong with him.

[markp]

His technical flaws were a result of his poor conditioning.

No, his technical flaws certainly were not a result of his poor conditioning.

The guy can't even throw a proper jab.

[righthook]

firstly..Ian..that is a shockingly written article, by someone who, i presume, gets suitable remuneration for their efforts !!! .... and where was the editor !!


secondly.... tony the mackem on fri night, its no good us all going on about was it 6 or 8 rounds or whatever. the problem is with TJ, even in the first 6 rounds i saw no controlled boxing, no combinations and no well schooled work, so what has gone wrong with the fella.

is it a health issue?

is it his trainer?

is TJ just not good enough for the pro game?


is it a promotional issue?

i have to say it certainly was nothing to do with was the opponent better than we thought? no disrespect to banbula, he actually is a decent fighter and can handle him self around the ring, but lets be honest he has won 10 and lost 25, he is exactly who up and coming fighters should be fighting, and they should beat the likes of these opponents and look good doing so, if you put any other prospect in the light heavy/ super middle division against him e.g Travis Dickinson,James DeGale,George Groves,Kenny Anderson, all these fighters would beat him every time, and most if not all would k.o him in an 8 round fight.

the blame has to go down to jaffa himself.

its not only this fight he has looked awful in, i have been very little impressed with him since he turned over. he doesnt use combinations, speed, or a good defence, and most worrying of all as soon as it gets a bit hard in there he looks for excuses and looks for ways out.

how can any so called future world champion look so bad in his first few fights against poor opposition, imo, on what iv seen so far the second he steps up in class and he doesnt get his man out there in the first 6 rounds he is in real trouble! and if banbula was a bigger puncher that fight would have been over and jaffa would have had a k.o against his record.

there is no excuse for being tired after 4-5 rounds, i know fighters who have fought and trained for an entire fight camp with a broken hand, and still been fit enough to do 8 rounds, and gone on to win the fight in good fashion.

good luck to jaffa in the future, i feel hes going to need it

[TheCobra]

Read his Twitter he's blaming sky and maloney. The guy a bit deluded it was him who was crap last night. I hope sky see this and don't show his next fight there better fighters who are not being shown.

It's this attitude which worries me more than any technical and fitness defieciencies he may have. It's the making excuses and passing the blame to all around him. Boxing is a man's game, I would respect Jeffries more if he said something along the lines of 'I have got a lot of hard work to do if I'm honest and need to get my head down and stop going on twitter every 5 minutes'.

Basically he needs to knuckle down, put the work in and stand up and be counted as a MAN in the ring, where it counts. Shut up the crap talking and blaming people, he has looked average since turning pro and woeful in his last 2 fights against journeymen, half-decent journeymen yes, but nothing that should be causing a 'prospect' major trouble. If you are genuinely gassed after 6 rounds of a fairly slow paced uneventful fight, then as a pro boxer expecting big things you have got major problems.

[terrez]

Bad night for Tony I think we all agree, but I do feel maybe too much was going on in his head and not focused enough on the job. Fiar dues on the cock up about the 6 or 8 rounds but even still come the 6th he didn't have it by much.

Credit to Banbula who stepped it up the last few rounds and it's a good job for Jaffa that Banbula didn't start off boxing like that in the first few otherwise it would have been a shocking loss for the Tony.

He got the draw which he deserved but nothing more.

I think this is just a one off very bad night for Tony and he is a better boxer by far then what he showed that night. A good check up on his health and his game plan and I think he will be back to form and taking out fighters like Banbula.

Get this one behind you Tony, better things await.

[rhino222]

Conditioning is simple but it takes hard graft. Anyone who is blowing as early as Tony was, hasn't worked hard enough - at the right things - and/or has ballsed their fuelling up. His technical flaws were a result of his poor conditioning.

i dont agree, there is more to it than that, otherwise he would have boxed well in the first 2 or 3 rounds until he 'gassed'

[jackhammer]

all this criticism about tony is abit harsh on both tony and banbula considering banbula is no mug it was a very close fight. everyone expects the olympians to win but none of them have stepped up yet its a learning curve and at least they have bottle to get in the ring unlike 99% of us

[Deserter]

all this criticism about tony is abit harsh on both tony and banbula considering banbula is no mug it was a very close fight. everyone expects the olympians to win but none of them have stepped up yet its a learning curve and at least they have bottle to get in the ring unlike 99% of us

Fella, that's a big call for a first-time poster - there are plenty of posters on this forum who've got in the ring, including a few well regarding pros. Those that haven't still know their boxing inside out and the reality is that as with any fighter, Jeffries is rightly being critiqued relative to the level of hype and expectation around him.
Considering his pedigree and his own utterances as well as those of his camp, this was a performance that fell way short of expectation, so I actually don't think the criticisms are harsh at all (bar those that involve personal insults) - they're an important reality check.
As for the Olympians, I don't think your point is valid as they're being moved at a similar pace yet look at the way Gavin and Degale are dispatching a similar level of opposition with ease.
Final point is that the majority of posters on here actually want Jefferies to come good, that's why they're so concerned and keen to nominate potential solutions ranging from re-examining diet and conditioning methods through to getting a new trainer and moving away from the 'spotlight' of Sunderland.
Nobody's got all the answers, but you shouldn't doubt that the vast majority of those throwing out these notions are doing so with the best of intentions.

[rhino222]

all this criticism about tony is abit harsh on both tony and banbula considering banbula is no mug it was a very close fight. everyone expects the olympians to win but none of them have stepped up yet its a learning curve and at least they have bottle to get in the ring unlike 99% of us

Fella, that's a big call for a first-time poster - there are plenty of posters on this forum who've got in the ring, including a few well regarding pros. Those that haven't still know their boxing inside out and the reality is that as with any fighter, Jeffries is rightly being critiqued relative to the level of hype and expectation around him.
Considering his pedigree and his own utterances as well as those of his camp, this was a performance that fell way short of expectation, so I actually don't think the criticisms are harsh at all (bar those that involve personal insults) - they're an important reality check.
As for the Olympians, I don't think your point is valid as they're being moved at a similar pace yet look at the way Gavin and Degale are dispatching a similar level of opposition with ease.
Final point is that the majority of posters on here actually want Jefferies to come good, that's why they're so concerned and keen to nominate potential solutions ranging from re-examining diet and conditioning methods through to getting a new trainer and moving away from the 'spotlight' of Sunderland.
Nobody's got all the answers, but you shouldn't doubt that the vast majority of those throwing out these notions are doing so with the best of intentions.

good points mate. and if TJ commands the purses and the exposure commensurate with being an olympic medal winner...then he has to take the constructive flak too. we all want tony to suceed, he is a lovely fella.

[jackhammer]

love the fact u think im a fella which goes to show u know nothing if u read my post correctly i wasnt disrespecting any boxers just people who think they know and think its ok to criticise personally, there is nothing wrong with constuctive criticism and you ignored the fact that banbula is a capable boxer, there are plenty of boxers out there who have lost or drawn and learnt by it, as i said its a learning curve hopefully he will come back stronger, is there a rule i have not read on this site to say i cant express an opinon on my first post! so goodnight to all those unbeaten world champions posting on this site.

[Infinite]

I feel for him as every fighter dreams of being the 40-0 world champ but losses & draws aint nutin, just win a belt and reverse them. As for his potential the problem is his weight range is deep with talent... so how good is he?

1. Bernard Hopkins (Greatest Fighter of All-Time)
2. Tony Bellew
3. Chad Dawson
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Nathan Cleverly
6. Bebuit Shumenov
7. Jean Pascal
8. Tavoris Cloud
9. Tony Jeffries
10. Zsolt Erdei

[markp]

I feel for him as every fighter dreams of being the 40-0 world champ but losses & draws aint nutin, just win a belt and reverse them. As for his potential the problem is his weight range is deep with talent... so how good is he?

1. Bernard Hopkins (Greatest Fighter of All-Time)
2. Tony Bellew
3. Chad Dawson
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Nathan Cleverly
6. Bebuit Shumenov
7. Jean Pascal
8. Tavoris Cloud
9. Tony Jeffries
10. Zsolt Erdei

lol, Bellew a number 2!

gave me a decent laugh mate.

[Infinite]

[FtmPress]

You are all reading to much in to this,we all know Tony had a bad night and the team have had a number of meeting and Tony has be told to go away on hols and forget about boxing for a few weeks. Nothing will be done untill Tony returns and myself and his manager meet after every one has had a break and time to think things over.

[Adamj1987]

I feel for him as every fighter dreams of being the 40-0 world champ but losses & draws aint nutin, just win a belt and reverse them. As for his potential the problem is his weight range is deep with talent... so how good is he?

1. Bernard Hopkins (Greatest Fighter of All-Time)
2. Tony Bellew
3. Chad Dawson
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Nathan Cleverly
6. Bebuit Shumenov
7. Jean Pascal
8. Tavoris Cloud
9. Tony Jeffries
10. Zsolt Erdei

lol, Bellew a number 2!

gave me a decent laugh mate.

ask bomber am sure he would agree with the list D

[Deserter]

love the fact u think im a fella which goes to show u know nothing if u read my post correctly i wasnt disrespecting any boxers just people who think they know and think its ok to criticise personally, there is nothing wrong with constuctive criticism and you ignored the fact that banbula is a capable boxer, there are plenty of boxers out there who have lost or drawn and learnt by it, as i said its a learning curve hopefully he will come back stronger, is there a rule i have not read on this site to say i cant express an opinon on my first post! so goodnight to all those unbeaten world champions posting on this site.

The fact that 99.9 of the posters here are male and that you wrote in quite an aggressive style means that thinking you were a man was a reasonable assumption rather than going to show that I know nothing.
I did read your post correctly and I replied to it correctly. It seems it's only you who has problems with reading properly - and with spelling properly as well for that matter.
In a bid to get you to understand what everyone else seems to have grasped, I haven't ignored that fact that Banbula is a capable boxer, rather I've pointed out that given Jeffries' amateur pedigree and the level of hype surrounding him, he would still be expected to handle someone of Banbula's level comfortably rather than get into a life and death struggle with him. What is difficult to understand about that?
As for expressing your opinions, I notice you've managed to completely contradict yourself. You criticise me for assuming you're a man, but then can't accept the fact that you made a similar assumption regarding the number of posters who've actually stepped in the ring on this forum.
Maybe stop and think a bit before posting next time eh?

[Deserter]

You are all reading to much in to this,we all know Tony had a bad night and the team have had a number of meeting and Tony has be told to go away on hols and forget about boxing for a few weeks. Nothing will be done untill Tony returns and myself and his manager meet after every one has had a break and time to think things over.

Fair enough Frank, and hopefully you understand that the majority of the posters on here are so concerned purely because they genuinely want Jeffries to come good and fulfill his potential.

[Matt W]

You are all reading to much in to this,we all know Tony had a bad night and the team have had a number of meeting and Tony has be told to go away on hols and forget about boxing for a few weeks. Nothing will be done untill Tony returns and myself and his manager meet after every one has had a break and time to think things over.

In fairness though Tony himself felt the need to put a video on Facebook justifying it which didn't do anything to suggest the response from fans on here is an overreaction.

I agree he shouldn't be written off but the lessons need to be learned from this performance and for that the real reasons need to be identified, and that extends beyond the misunderstanding of the rounds.

[hurlock]

in all honesty how does a draw effect him?? does his money go down???does he no longer feature on sky footage??

[lefty]

Hi everyone,ive just signed up with the forums and i wanted to introduce myself so to speak.Regarding Jeffries i'l be honest what ive seen so far im not majorly impressed with,he's clearly not got power but he doesnt seem to have alot of speed or any other attribute that sticks out and in the fights ive seen him in so far he doesnt seem to be using his brain and boxing but rather just trying to blast people out as quickly as he can!I follow him on twitter and im totally convinced that he is completely dedicated to boxing.Just my opinion though!

[Dioufy]

Hi everyone,ive just signed up with the forums and i wanted to introduce myself so to speak.Regarding Jeffries i'l be honest what ive seen so far im not majorly impressed with,he's clearly not got power but he doesnt seem to have alot of speed or any other attribute that sticks out and in the fights ive seen him in so far he doesnt seem to be using his brain and boxing but rather just trying to blast people out as quickly as he can!I follow him on twitter and im totally convinced that he is completely dedicated to boxing.Just my opinion though!

Yeah, firstly, welcome to the forum, and secondly, for a first post, that's as good as any.

[lefty]

Thanks dioufy :) ....After i had submitted it i realised id made a fair few cock ups!You live and learn!

[DavidPayne]

Interesting one this, the fight itself kept reminding me of my favourite circuit pro Youssef Al Hamidi fighting Anthony Crolla. Don't know why but it did.

Anyhow, my thoughts on this.

http://boxingwriter.co.uk/2010/07/27/bo ... -jeffries/