To those who think its the end of the world 4 Tony Jeffries

[Jeff Thomas]

Future WBC champion and former Bronze medallist Olympian Robin Reid drew with a 0-1 fighter in his 6th fight....

Dany Juma went 2-12-1 in his career.

[King Haye]

fair enough but robin reed had heart mate jaffer lacked passion and fight when he needed it most his corner were begging him to go out and perform, might just b me just dont think he will go past domestic level

[Old bones Ian]

Lots of boxers have lost or drew on the way up.
Michael Watson, Barry McGuigan to name but 2

[King Haye]

course they can look at bernanrd hopkins one of the greatest of all time lost his first ever pro fight and look at him now, i just dont think even before that poor performance by jaffer that he was goin to win much n e way

[righthook]

Jaffa boxed more like Anthony hopkins

[Deserter]

The thing is Jeff that it's not the result we're really focusing on, it's the performance. And the bottom line is that there is genuine cause for concern on three counts:
Conditioning
Technique
Mental strength

I really hope he addresses his situation, and I'm certainly not writing him off at this stage, but I just don't think those parallels mentioned on this thread are valid once you look deeper than the result on paper.

[King Haye]

Jaffa boxed more like Anthony hopkins

His face looked like Hannibal had a go at it haha

[TBONE]

domestic level ,lacks the mental toughnes

[Deserter]

domestic level ,lacks the mental toughnes

What does domestic level mean, to you? i.e. Do you think he'll win a British title and then lose when he steps up; or he'll challenge for a British title and lose ..?

A lack of belief in your physical conditioning and/or genuine fatigue is one of the main instigators of perceived mental weakness. Some people are inherently weak. I don't believe for one nano-second that Tony Jeffries falls into that category. As Lombardi said, 'fatigue makes cowards of us all'. Whether it is a result of being hampered by injury, idleness, lack of knowledge; or any combination of the above, Tony needs to address his conditioning issues and everything else will fall into place.

For example, Anthony Farnell didn't have the greatest ability in the world but he massively overachieved by having a belief in his conditioning that let him to be able to out dog his opponents. If you have that and the pedigree of an Olympian, you have no excuse but to be able to succeed.

Great post. Certainly made me stop and think about it from a different perspective

[Adamj1987]

Lots of boxers have lost or drew on the way up.
Michael Watson, Barry McGuigan to name but 2

big thing is an undefeated record now adays even if you absolute bollocks (im not refering to jaffa)

[Russ L]

To those who think its the end of the world 4 Tony Jeffries

At first glance I read the title as being something more "To those who think it's the end of the world: 4 Tony Jeffries!".

Y'know, as though we were on the edge of the apocalypse before four versions of him appeared to save us all. A quartet of olympians, each with their own superpowers.

I quite like that thought.

I do wonder what the plural of "Tony Jeffries" should be, though. Four Tony Jeffrises? Several Tony Jeffrai?

[JimJim2009]

Whoever started this thread makes a very well observed point.

Nothing less than a full government enquiry into Tony Jeffries last contest will suffice for some boxrec'ers though

Jeffries was below par, carrying an injury, there was a mix up over the scheduled distance, and he was in with a tricky, experienced opponent who was in decent form. Tony boxed badly and struggled, and yes he's lost a bit of form. In comparison, some of his critics (not all, just the ones who'd probably welcome a government enquiry!) have lost all sense of perspective.

[james_allinson]

Jaffa will bounce back he's a talented lad and I have confidence in him that he will be pushing for a world title one day, he was terrible on Saturday for what he is capable of but he still should have had the decision in that fight.

Banbula is the type of fighter who makes people look bad and because of Jaffa's problems leading up to the fight his fitness wasn't what it should have been, its unprofessional but it doesn't change the fact he's a talented prospect.

Still early days for him yet.

[hurlock]

To those who think its the end of the world 4 Tony Jeffries

At first glance I read the title as being something more "To those who think it's the end of the world: 4 Tony Jeffries!".

Y'know, as though we were on the edge of the apocalypse before four versions of him appeared to save us all. A quartet of olympians, each with their own superpowers.

I quite like that thought.

I do wonder what the plural of "Tony Jeffries" should be, though. Four Tony Jeffrises? Several Tony Jeffrai?

wtf DD your getting like a t4 presenter :!:

[Arnie]

domestic level ,lacks the mental toughnes

What does domestic level mean, to you? i.e. Do you think he'll win a British title and then lose when he steps up; or he'll challenge for a British title and lose ..?

A lack of belief in your physical conditioning and/or genuine fatigue is one of the main instigators of perceived mental weakness. Some people are inherently weak. I don't believe for one nano-second that Tony Jeffries falls into that category. As Lombardi said, 'fatigue makes cowards of us all'. Whether it is a result of being hampered by injury, idleness, lack of knowledge; or any combination of the above, Tony needs to address his conditioning issues and everything else will fall into place.

For example, Anthony Farnell didn't have the greatest ability in the world but he massively overachieved by having a belief in his conditioning that let him to be able to out dog his opponents. If you have that and the pedigree of an Olympian, you have no excuse but to be able to succeed.

out off order saying that about me I always styled myself on Willie pep:-) seriously though that is spot on!
Great post. Certainly made me stop and think about it from a different perspective

[Matt W]

His attitude will be the key factor for me. He will need to get that right if he is to make the improvements he needs to. This is an opportunity for him to take an honest look at where he's at and what he needs to do to progress. I hope he makes the most of it.

[Russ L]

wtf DD your getting like a t4 presenter :!:

And now, Hollyoaks.

*Thicko grin*

[FtmPress]

You are all reading to much in to this,we all know Tony had a bad night and the team have had a number of meeting and Tony has be told to go away on hols and forget about boxing for a few weeks. Nothing will be done untill Tony returns and myself and his manager meet after every one has had a break and time to think things over.And if you lot thing this is the end of the world(tony jeffries) you have some very sad people on here posting and if this is the worst upset we have in Tony"s career i will be very happy.

[bigdaddy]

You are all reading to much in to this,we all know Tony had a bad night and the team have had a number of meeting and Tony has be told to go away on hols and forget about boxing for a few weeks. Nothing will be done untill Tony returns and myself and his manager meet after every one has had a break and time to think things over.And if you lot thing this is the end of the world(tony jeffries) you have some very sad people on here posting and if this is the worst upset we have in Tony"s career i will be very happy.

Good for you to come on and i agree.... Half the people on here have not had a pair of gloves on Got to admit its Good Pr for your man thoe.

[Deserter]

[Half the people on here have not had a pair of gloves on

Why does this keep coming up all the time? To the best of my knowledge the likes of Harry Mullan and Hugh Mcllvenney never had extensive boxing experience, but it didn't prevent them from becoming world-respected authorities on the game through their writing.
You certainly didn't need to have had a pair of gloves on to know that something was seriously wrong on Friday.

[Matt W]

Angelo Dundee & Terry Edwards never boxed and it didn't do them any harm. On a boxing forum surely it's the legitmacy of the points being made that is important.

[Dioufy]

It quite clearly isn't the end of the world for Jeffries, but that guy does have some pretty horrible deficiencies. Thinking he's better than he actually is can cause massive problems. He needs to learn how to relax in the ring, and not stand up like the stereotypical European - perhaps go to some yoga classes like Matthew Hatton. I have yet to see the Banbula fight, which will be watched tonight, so these opinions are off what I've seen of him so far, and what people have said since the Banbula fight and what the result was, indicated to me that Jeffries still has a long way to go. Firstly, and more importantly, he's to face Banbula again and beat him fairly convincingly. It really shouldn't be a problem if he really feels that problems and mitigation outside the ring before the fight was his undoing. However, maybe there was a good reason why Maloney was feeding him vastly inferior journeymen.

But we'll see.

[hitman_hatton1]

tbh not too many were expecting much.

he did look the poorest of the olympic crop of 08.

early setbacks can happen.

not convinced he'll even win a british title at the moment though.

[Dioufy]

I expected a bit with all the hype and that bronze medal, mate.

[oliverfennell]

[Half the people on here have not had a pair of gloves on

Why does this keep coming up all the time? To the best of my knowledge the likes of Harry Mullan and Hugh Mcllvenney never had extensive boxing experience, but it didn't prevent them from becoming world-respected authorities on the game through their writing.
You certainly didn't need to have had a pair of gloves on to know that something was seriously wrong on Friday.

Yeah, I hate that old chestnut.

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