Anthony Small sees parallel with Ali

[bennie]

Ali was allowed to fight for a while but, much like Jack Johnson, he had to travel. It wasn't until they lowered the entry criteria for Vietnam conscripts that the issue became a huge one for Ali, who had previously failed the entry exam.
I've always found it strange how Ali, at the peak of his boxing skills, appeared to have no trouble staying away from the sport for three years and yet could not walk away when he was clearly through.

[reggaereggae]

i havent read any of these comments...the usual sh*t.

just to reiterate....

the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are totally wrong

This is the pradox of it all.

A lot of people will agree that the wars are wrong, and without question the many deaths of innocents are also wrong.

But Small is pilloried for expressing those views (albeit in a thoughtlessly unsubtle way.)

Small is not being pilloried for being against the war - many Brits are, I am too. But he is being pilloried for mocking troops coming home, when their loved ones and those of dead soldiers are present, calling them murderers and rapists, supporting sharia law etc etc

The soldiers, whether or not you agree with the war, are largely entrusted with trying to bring stability to the region, trying to set up a stable government etc, protecting ordinary afghans from a merciless ideology.

I don't want them there because I don't believe it will work, it is not our business, and it is not doing our country or its relations with other countries any good.

[funso banjo baby]

some people cant seem to seperate Small...and the war

whatever small says or does has no effect on the inherent fact that the war is wrong.




i would also point out that ALL BOMBING IS TERRORISM

[DEKKER87]

some people cant seem to seperate Small...and the war

whatever small says or does has no effect on the inherent fact that the war is wrong.




i would also point out that ALL BOMBING IS TERRORISM

was the allied bombin of dresden in ww2 terrorism?

the nuclear attacks in japan??

what a retarded ill-educated statement...there is zero moral equivalency between some prick strapping himself into a rucksack bomb and detonating it on the tube and a rocket aimed at an enemy that hits a civilian house by accident.

[DEKKER87]

i havent read any of these comments...the usual sh*t.

just to reiterate....

the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are totally wrong

This is the pradox of it all.

A lot of people will agree that the wars are wrong, and without question the many deaths of innocents are also wrong.

But Small is pilloried for expressing those views (albeit in a thoughtlessly unsubtle way.)

Small is not being pilloried for being against the war - many Brits are, I am too. But he is being pilloried for mocking troops coming home, when their loved ones and those of dead soldiers are present, calling them murderers and rapists, supporting sharia law etc etc

The soldiers, whether or not you agree with the war, are largely entrusted with trying to bring stability to the region, trying to set up a stable government etc, protecting ordinary afghans from a merciless ideology.

I don't want them there because I don't believe it will work, it is not our business, and it is not doing our country or its relations with other countries any good.

it wasn't 'our' business when the nazis invaded poland.

[terminator]

interesting read:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju ... -shootings

[dondada]

it wasn't 'our' business when the nazis invaded poland.

Oh, aye, not much it wasn't. A lot of people agreed with you at the time. Bearing in mind what happened, don't you think they were wrong? Then again, those who had that opinion have the excuse that they were thinking contemporaneously.

You've had 70 years of history to judge whether it was 'our business'.

I suspect there is little point 'talking' to you though.

[DEKKER87]

it wasn't 'our' business when the nazis invaded poland.

Oh, aye, not much it wasn't. A lot of people agreed with you at the time. Bearing in mind what happened, don't you think they were wrong? Then again, those who had that opinion have the excuse that they were thinking contemporaneously.

You've had 70 years of history to judge whether it was 'our business'.

I suspect there is little point 'talking' to you though.

well you've totally missed my point there in your rush to be 'clever' eh.

that point being that if the paradigm of direct self-interest is what matters then we (britain) have not fought a 'worthy' war since around 1066.

[dondada]

it wasn't 'our' business when the nazis invaded poland.

Oh, aye, not much it wasn't. A lot of people agreed with you at the time. Bearing in mind what happened, don't you think they were wrong? Then again, those who had that opinion have the excuse that they were thinking contemporaneously.

You've had 70 years of history to judge whether it was 'our business'.

I suspect there is little point 'talking' to you though.

well you've totally missed my point there in your rush to be 'clever' eh.

that point being that if the paradigm of direct self-interest is what matters then we (britain) have not fought a 'worthy' war since around 1066.

Ah, sorry if I missed your point. You disguise them so well. If you are going to be sarcastic, there are emoticons to help with that.

Self-interest might have underpinned our involvement in WWII but it was also in the interests of others, too. Then again, the latter doesn't usually stimulate our military involvement, that is quite clear.

[whicker]

was the allied bombin of dresden in ww2 terrorism?

the nuclear attacks in japan??

Well, it can be argued (I'm not saying I agree with the argument) that both were done as a "show of force" to impress/scare the Russians.


What is without question is they were calculated and deliberate attacks designed to deliberatly kill a large number of civilians. This is something we perhaps forget nowadays.

Whether that, as an act of war, is "terrorism" is debatable.

[NazNaci1]

Whether that, as an act of war, is "terrorism" is debatable.

No, not really, it is terrorism and hypocrisy of the highest order. Britain had no business in Iraq or in Afghanistan. Those innocent ppl, who lost family and continue to do so, daily, only encourages extremismn, and no its not an Islamic thing.

If we had occupying forces here in the UK. bombing the shit out of us daily, sniping etc....killing civilians,children, how do you think you would feel?

It baffles me to think how anyone, in this day and age, can still swallow all the propoganda, jingoistic and media induced bollocks.

The recent release of US files merely adds weight to this arguement.

[banjo]

was the allied bombin of dresden in ww2 terrorism?

the nuclear attacks in japan??

Well, it can be argued (I'm not saying I agree with the argument) that both were done as a "show of force" to impress/scare the Russians.


What is without question is they were calculated and deliberate attacks designed to deliberatly kill a large number of civilians. This is something we perhaps forget nowadays.

Whether that, as an act of war, is "terrorism" is debatable.

The nuclear attacks ended the most destructive conflict in history and ironically saved more lives than they took and look at Japan today you wouldn't think one of the friendliest groups of people were so downright evil(worse than the Nazis IMO) just 70 years ago.

[banjo]

i havent read any of these comments...the usual sh*t.

just to reiterate....

the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are totally wrong

War in general is totally wrong but we're animals aren't we and fighting is what animals do, we can't change it, we never will, we were born that way.

[Des1]

So, it's no problem if someone is againts the war (or invasion, whatever you want to call it). But if that someone happens to be Muslim and is againts the war/invasion... Oh sh*t! They are againts our country, they're going to blow us up, they support the Taliban etc...What single minded bull shit some of you come out with. Did the British Government go to war with Ireland because of the IRA? Did the British Army cause destruction in Africa because of mugabi?

Not all Muslims are terrorists just like not all Catholic's from Ireland are IRA. How many of you know a Muslim? How many of you have a Muslim Doctor I wonder? How many enjoy eating at an Indian takeaway which is more than likely prepared by a Muslim?

I worked with a Muslim and by no way was they like the stereo typed views you have. It's probably simular to what some of your views was to black people years ago. If you knew one it would be 'yeah, but he/she's alright'. That kind of bullshit talk.