Brian Magee to defend European title in Dublin

[Spud]

[stujones]

The options thing sounded like bullshit to me. It was a mandated fight for Paul's title, it went to purse bids - there would be no options on purse bids.

[bennie]

Belfast's Brian Magee defends his European super-middleweight title against tough Armenian Roman Aramian in Dublin in September.
Southpaw Brian won the title with a magnificent seven-round stoppage of Denmark's long-established Mads Larsen earlier this year in Denmark in a rare show of venom, but then, Magee is quite the sprightly veteran these days at 35, unbeaten in nine fights since he took Carl Froch 11 hard rounds at York Hall in 2006 and ranked by the big four world governing bodies. However, Magee has something to prove in Dublin where he was held to a dreary 12-round draw by Tony Oakey the last time he appeared there in 2007 at light-heavyweight. Unsurprisingly, he dropped back down to super-middleweight afterwards.
To the challenger, who fights out of Germany and was stopped in six rounds by vaunted German southpaw Juergen Braehmer back in 2005 - a man who whacked out Ricky Hatton in the amateurs - but it remains the only time Aramian has been stopped in nine years as a pro and he has lost only one of his 18 fights since, to Croatia's useful Stjepan Bozic in a 12-rounder in Croatia. Aramian, 26, twice went the distance with current IBF middleweight king Sebastian Sylvester and looks like he can whack a bit at 30-8 (20).
Expect him to prove busy, durable and aggressive but, on home turf, we can also expect the clever Magee to box his way to a decision.

[Spud]

The options thing sounded like bullshit to me. It was a mandated fight for Paul's title, it went to purse bids - there would be no options on purse bids.

Bullsh*t??? - yep thats you!!! - the fight did not get to the purse bids stage - the bbbofc only called for purse bids in an attempt for both camps to stop f*cking around to come to some sort of agreement. So in the private negoitiations that is when the options were asked for - it is then Team Magee then decided to walk away - the purse bids as I believe were never even submitted.

[stujones]

Thats not "unnormal" though, and that's what your implying (forgive me if I am wrong). That's why purse bids are organised to try an organise the fight if the respective promoters (whoever they are) cannot agree other terms. This has happened on frequent occasions at domestic and world level.

Why didn't Team Magee hang around 24 hours for the purse bids.... if it was solely options that were the problem.... options were out of the equation the minute it went to bids.

Did they not fancy giving Smith a payday? Did they not fancy giving Brian a payday.... that's the only thing I can see of it that is logical. If they "heard" that a bid from "Mr options" was going to be paultry if it went to purse bids - then why not try and win the bid.

So yes... the "options" thing was Bullshit. How can that be an excuse, all they needed to do was wait to go to Purse bids.... end of options... those fantastic "offers" that we were hearing about in the negotiations hardly materialised did they. Called out the future Prizefighter champion a couple of weeks later!

Now, if it they were offered a deal with options and also told that if they were not prepared to accept then "Mr options" would be offering next to nothing in purse bids.... then that is feesable and I don't blame team Magee from withdrawing. But at the same time, it shows that Magee saw the British title as a backward step (maybe with good reason) cause his team were not prepared to put in a high bid themselves and I'm sure both he and Paul would like to earn the most coin as possible in what would have been a hard fight.

But to blame "options" and only options - well its not correct is it.

[Spud]

Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse.

Come on Stu - please try to think about it in your attempt to know a tadge about boxing - now please let me get back to my fishing.

[Smigga]

Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse.

Come on Stu - please try to think about it in your attempt to know a tadge about boxing - now please let me get back to my fishing.

Bids stated at 50/50 Spud

[Spud]

Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse.

Come on Stu - please try to think about it in your attempt to know a tadge about boxing - now please let me get back to my fishing.

Bids stated at 50/50 Spud

Thank you for taking the nibble - what about the venue?

[Smigga]

Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse.

Come on Stu - please try to think about it in your attempt to know a tadge about boxing - now please let me get back to my fishing.

Bids stated at 50/50 Spud

Thank you for taking the nibble - what about the venue?

I'll take them all day ;)
Venue was to be at the winning promotor's discretion - As with all purse bids

[Spud]

Smigga,

Would you take the fight for the European title - taking 45% of the purse on offer.

... I am told if you would there would be room for manoeuvre on the venue.

Naturally no options.

F*ck me I could manage you and other boxers - we would get some decent fights on!!!

[Smigga]

Smigga,

Would you take the fight for the European title - taking 45% of the purse on offer.

... I am told if you would there would be room for manoeuvre on the venue.

Naturally no options.

F*ck me I could manage you and other boxers - we would get some decent fights on!!!

Spud - I employ a manager to do all negotiating for me and thus far he's never let me down.
The BBBOC insisted the purse be 50/50 so who am I and who's Pat Magee to ask for more or less.
I don't agree with the shout of "BBBOC only called for bids to get things moving" - The board aren't promotors. They called for the fight, Magee withdrew be it for whatever reasons!
The reality is that he wants paying well for whatever fights he has left and he wants a world title fight. Good luck to him.

[Spud]

Fair enough pal

I think you and Mr Degale will net you a nice pay day in Jan.

[stujones]

Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse.

Come on Stu - please try to think about it in your attempt to know a tadge about boxing - now please let me get back to my fishing.

So the options things was bullshit then!

[Spud]

Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse.

Come on Stu - please try to think about it in your attempt to know a tadge about boxing - now please let me get back to my fishing.

So the options things was bullshit then!

FACT

[stujones]

Fact? As in fact the option thing is bullshit? Fact as is in not its not Bullshit? or fact it did occur and was the REASON why the fight didn't go ahead.

I'm not disputing options wasn't put to the table. Its not completely uncommon for such things to be put forward, but I don't think it was the reason for the pull out as was reported by most British boxing sites via a press release, you've already given an alternative fact based reason in the post above.

"Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse" -

Nothing about options there.

I personally think it should have waited untill the purse bids - who cares Paul is getting 60% aslong as Magee is getting a career best pay day. If the purses came in very low, then arm injury time!

[Spud]

Fact? As in fact the option thing is bullshit? Fact as is in not its not Bullshit? or fact it did occur and was the REASON why the fight didn't go ahead.

I'm not disputing options wasn't put to the table. Its not completely uncommon for such things to be put forward, but I don't think it was the reason for the pull out as was reported by most British boxing sites via a press release, you've already given an alternative fact based reason in the post above.

"Team Magee did not hang around for the purse bids due to the very fact the purse bids were for the British Title and not the European Title that Magee held and as such in that case Smigga held all of the aces with regards he would have received 60% of the purse" -

Nothing about options there.

I personally think it should have waited untill the purse bids - who cares Paul is getting 60% aslong as Magee is getting a career best pay day. If the purses came in very low, then arm injury time!

Career best payday on what basis and what factual information do you make your assumptions

[stujones]

Not an assumption, not a fact. I didn't say it was going to be or it would be. I said why didn't they wait 24 hours to see what was on offer. I'm sure a JMM vs Chris John situation wouldn't have transpired if it was paultry purse. Purses are supposed to be blind, I'm sure the team's get an "idea" of them before they are announced - but many title fight hasn't happened AFTER purses have been announced - neither Smith or Magee had to step into the ring if they didn't like what was on offer.

Like I said in my first post that got shot down by yourself. I would understand the pull out if they "heard" the was going to be a paultry offer - although that also means they were not prepared to fork out the money themselves to stage it. All that baiting to suggest there was big offers in the pipeline with other fighters and stuff to try and con Smith and the self-proclaimed best promoter in Europe didn't work and it looked pretty bad when THEY called out the future Prizefighter champion. All that talk of high profile EBU defences and good money well didn't really transpire.

I like Brian, rate him quite highly would like to see him against Steiglitz in the near future (I do think he is alot more deserving than Smith at this stage) but they tried to paint team Smith as the bad party to why talks broke down. The options thing could have easily been overided and I was quite surprised it wasn't picked up on in opinion pieces after those press releases.

Options wasn't the reason why the fight broke down.

[Spud]

Options wasn't the reason why the fight broke down.

I am telling you it was.

[mickey1975]

Its highly unlikely Magee would be getting anything like a career best payday after what he recieved for winning the title in Denmark

[stujones]

Its highly unlikely Magee would be getting anything like a career best payday after what he recieved for winning the title in Denmark

Was this a mandated shot, I cannot remember. I'm sure he got a nice some. They did very well securing that fight without options. Team Larsen must have been very confident - oops.

[mickey1975]

Its highly unlikely Magee would be getting anything like a career best payday after what he recieved for winning the title in Denmark

Was this a mandated shot, I cannot remember. I'm sure he got a nice some. They did very well securing that fight without options. Team Larsen must have been very confident - oops.

Yes,it was,and he got about a quarter of a million if my memory is correct.

[HomeOfBritishBoxing]

Its highly unlikely Magee would be getting anything like a career best payday after what he recieved for winning the title in Denmark

Was this a mandated shot, I cannot remember. I'm sure he got a nice some. They did very well securing that fight without options. Team Larsen must have been very confident - oops.

Yes,it was,and he got about a quarter of a million if my memory is correct.

magee got 90-100k, larsen got about 100 plus..

[Smigga]

Was this a mandated shot, I cannot remember. I'm sure he got a nice some. They did very well securing that fight without options. Team Larsen must have been very confident - oops.

Yes,it was,and he got about a quarter of a million if my memory is correct.

magee got 90-100k, larsen got about 100 plus..

Wrong again NOBB
Your sources are telling you more lies

[BigEars]

Yes,it was,and he got about a quarter of a million if my memory is correct.

magee got 90-100k, larsen got about 100 plus..

Wrong again NOBB
Your sources are telling you more lies

Magee and Larsen got a 50/50 split for the fight as it was for the vacant title and the whole purse was £270,000(fornicate knows why the Danes bid so much), so Magee's purse was £135,000. The only way he'll earn more than that is if he becomes mandatory for a World title, and seeing as he is WBA #1 that very well could be the case.