Amir khan vs Juan Manuel Marquez?

[Counter-puncher]

His timing was pretty bad at times. The left uppercuts were lovely and tended to land as they come under the line of sight, right hand following the left also looked sound but he'd often look off-target during exchanges and benefited from the relatively slow pace.

i agree, Diaz' essential hittability contributed greatly to any impression of JMM's fundamental sharpness and timing.

[palooka]

Khan is an absolute beast at 140lbs and wouldn't look out of place at welter, so that makes GBP's choice of opponent very hard to take.

Agreed; they must have some more info from the gym. They are avoiding his mandatory and to look at the lightweight champ; who looked good in spurts and was too strong for Diaz; to make his name against says something. Amir; you can't call Bradley out and then fight Marquez, (who is not ageless at all; he is on the slide; has adjusted his style to suit and will get cut to ribbons by Khan).

[jamesmcdonnell]

imagine if khan did lose to marquez. never mind the fact that he'd be rehabilitated by promoters and TV after losing to a legend. the media would come down like a ton of bricks on him, for losing to an older, smaller man.

i would like to see marquez just carry on defending the lightweight title. katsidis is the mandatory is he not, so it's a fight that can happen. GBP have done well for marquez - they've taken his career further than any other promoter - but they've also used him.

i'm not completely sold on badley, but he is a stubborn operator, willing to try anything to win, who keeps adding to his game, and isn't cautious to take on ppl his own size or bigger.

while khan has improved, i he's not my kind of fighter. i can appreciate he's been effective. but i don't like his flicking amateur way of punching, lack of a quality right hand, and inability to work inside. he reminds me of the likes of ward, dirrell, and going back, another one-handed champ trained by freddie roach, virgil hill.

I loved watching Marquez; there's a few signs of deterioration, but he's only just on the slide, and he's still an elite level fighter. Someone as fast and fresh as Khan should be a nightmare for him, but the leveller is Khan's own fallibility. Barrera was quite a bit further gone than Marquez I thought, and was never the quickest to begin with, and Khan never came close to stopping him. Marquez is every bit as tough as Barrera, in fact tougher as his two fights with Pacquaio have proven.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Khan is an absolute beast at 140lbs and wouldn't look out of place at welter, so that makes GBP's choice of opponent very hard to take.

Agreed; they must have some more info from the gym. They are avoiding his mandatory and to look at the lightweight champ; who looked good in spurts and was too strong for Diaz; to make his name against says something. Amir; you can't call Bradley out and then fight Marquez, (who is not ageless at all; he is on the slide; has adjusted his style to suit and will get cut to ribbons by Khan).

Yes Marquez has adapted his style over the years as his speed and footwork have began to desert him. He used to use the ring an awful lot more and fought at longer range.

As he got older, he developed a crowd pleasing style, but I always thought it more to do with expediency than trying to make himself more marketable.

I think now would be a good time for Marquez to quit. If he beats Khan, he will probably try and get Manny at 140, where he has a chance. At 147, there's no way in gods earth he can hang with Pacquaio.

[Dioufy]

Khan's chin has improved, but it's still going to get him KO'd badly one day - that I'm certain of. But, to me, Khan's biggest improvement is keeping the distance perfect, and he does it better against smaller fighters. Khan will dominate Marquez, IMO, and maybe force a stoppage. It will be a good win on paper, but it's just the rhetoric regarding 'King Khan.' Barrera, Malignaggi, Diaz, Marquez, Casamayor, Fagan, Katsidis and so on are all fodder to Khan - people he should beat just with range. It's very cynical match-making. Khan has matured perfectly, physically and mentally. IMO, he could beat the best at 140lbs, but for some reason, he isn't being put in with them. And if we're honest, it's not the best kept secret as to why.

[Counter-puncher]

its a bit sad though dioufy as i think he could beat Bradley for one quite comfortably.

[Dioufy]

its a bit sad though dioufy as i think he could beat Bradley for one quite comfortably.

Precisely.

[Autobarn]

Khan is an absolute beast at 140lbs and wouldn't look out of place at welter, so that makes GBP's choice of opponent very hard to take.

Agreed; they must have some more info from the gym. They are avoiding his mandatory and to look at the lightweight champ; who looked good in spurts and was too strong for Diaz; to make his name against says something. Amir; you can't call Bradley out and then fight Marquez, (who is not ageless at all; he is on the slide; has adjusted his style to suit and will get cut to ribbons by Khan).

Yes Marquez has adapted his style over the years as his speed and footwork have began to desert him. He used to use the ring an awful lot more and fought at longer range.

As he got older, he developed a crowd pleasing style, but I always thought it more to do with expediency than trying to make himself more marketable.

I think now would be a good time for Marquez to quit. If he beats Khan, he will probably try and get Manny at 140, where he has a chance. At 147, there's no way in gods earth he can hang with Pacquaio.

marquez seemed to change his style after he left top rank, after he lost controversially in indonesia to chris john. no doubt he was slowing down a bit, but i think he started working with a different attitude. i feel it;s a combination of factors, getting a bit older/slower, wanting to be more marketable for new promoter, indeed wanting to give himself the best chance he can of winning.

i think the barrera fight was the real turning point. a classic battle. marquez brought a lot of aggression to that fight, an opportunity he could not let slip away. the results were thrilling, it helped him get more big fights, incl that classic pac rematch and the 1st thriller with juan diaz.

i'd just like to see him stay at lightweight and keep defending until he gets beaten. no mexican has ben effective at a 4th weight so i wouldn't like to see him at 140 as khan fodder.

[Autobarn]

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JMM wants pac or katsidis before khan.

ha! (unless he is trying to get the best deal for a khan fight)

he won't go above 143 for pac, so it'll probably not ever happen. good. i think JMM won both of those fights. just not enough of a superstar to get the decisions (and kept getting dropped).

i would laugh if marquez got katsidis and khan was without a date for his next, probably already guaranteed, HBO showing.

it would be funny if everyone - alexander and bradley, marquez and katsidis - all went on without khan, leaving him behind. i suppose then it'd be guerrero, another former featherweight; or perhaps ortiz.

[Counter-puncher]

Guerrero would absolutely fit the bill for Khan

[jamesmcdonnell]

Agreed; they must have some more info from the gym. They are avoiding his mandatory and to look at the lightweight champ; who looked good in spurts and was too strong for Diaz; to make his name against says something. Amir; you can't call Bradley out and then fight Marquez, (who is not ageless at all; he is on the slide; has adjusted his style to suit and will get cut to ribbons by Khan).

Yes Marquez has adapted his style over the years as his speed and footwork have began to desert him. He used to use the ring an awful lot more and fought at longer range.

As he got older, he developed a crowd pleasing style, but I always thought it more to do with expediency than trying to make himself more marketable.

I think now would be a good time for Marquez to quit. If he beats Khan, he will probably try and get Manny at 140, where he has a chance. At 147, there's no way in gods earth he can hang with Pacquaio.

marquez seemed to change his style after he left top rank, after he lost controversially in indonesia to chris john. no doubt he was slowing down a bit, but i think he started working with a different attitude. i feel it;s a combination of factors, getting a bit older/slower, wanting to be more marketable for new promoter, indeed wanting to give himself the best chance he can of winning.

i think the barrera fight was the real turning point. a classic battle. marquez brought a lot of aggression to that fight, an opportunity he could not let slip away. the results were thrilling, it helped him get more big fights, incl that classic pac rematch and the 1st thriller with juan diaz.

i'd just like to see him stay at lightweight and keep defending until he gets beaten. no mexican has ben effective at a 4th weight so i wouldn't like to see him at 140 as khan fodder.

Yes agreed.

[palooka]

its a bit sad though dioufy as i think he could beat Bradley for one quite comfortably.

Precisely.

I disagree; Bradley gets in with anyone and isn't a prima donna. When push comes to shove; Amir has had all the protection and has been pretty cosseted; in a hard fight I think that he'll get found out. I am pretty convinced that is why there is reluctance to face Maidano and such a push to box a lightweight. Marquez is not the boxer he once was and fights in spurts; Diaz was straight in front of him. Khan would absolutely wreck Marquez; Roach is a very good picker; that's why he OKs that fight and knocks the other.

[Autobarn]

bradley has come quite far since simply outworking and wearing down junior witter. he is fierce and he does have some handspeed. khan would really have to hold on for dear life, up close, and i wonder whether he'd get a bit worn down just being in the clinches with bradley.

[Autobarn]

marquez v pac 3 looking less and less likely. schaeffer says if JMM beats khan, then he'd have enough to take on pac again. arum (promoter of pac) says JMM would have to beat a legit welterweight, first. JMM sees it as 140 or 143 catchweight. arum sees it as a welterweight fight.

is khan being slowly edged out - or will khan simply emerge as the biggest money fight for JMM, who has no chance of getting a rubber match with pac?

[Counter-puncher]

will khan simply emerge as the biggest money fight for JMM, who has no chance of getting a rubber match with pac?

sounds about right

[Autobarn]

i hope JMM insists on katsidis, because the aussie is his mandatory. golden boy might make him a tempting offer re khan, but they can't do much to stop JMM from fighting the top contender at his own weight. if he's adamant.

[Autobarn]

we shall see - WBO orders JMM v katsidis.

this will get things moving and help decide quickly whether khan can use JMM as a stepping stone.

can't pick on casa, as he lost to guerrero and looked ancient. so, guerrero in reserve? former pedestrian-looking featherweight, improved considerably (slight hiccup in which he chose not to fight on aftera head clash vs daud yordan), and recently has given some solid performance around - and just over - the lightweight division. without wanting to be a massive cynic, there is the human interest story involving guerrero's wife's cancer battle which would get plenty rooting for the smaller man.