can a cornerman really make that much of a difference?

[Jesus]

just watched the moorer vs holyfield 1 fight and found it very interesting....for the first few rounds moorer just seemed too pedestrain and seemed happy just to keep holyfield off of him. his cornerman teddy atlas of course was going crazy at him in the corner even sitting on his stool at one point and asked moorer if he wanted him to take over. moorer eventually went on to win a close decision and some people believe it was atlas who led him to victory and some people say atlas was being way over the top and trying to steal the limelight from moorer. what do you think? can a cornerman really make that much of a difference and if so please give examples.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Atlas ruins fighters, but a good cornerman most certainly helps. Good training is a crucial element to a fighters growth.

[NICARAGUAN NIGHTMARE]

hell no

[Panzerfaust]

Offcourse a good corner can make a huge difference. They see the fight from the outside and can/should(not many do it) give the fighter good strategic input. Aswell as making the fighter relax and keeping their psyche under control etc etc etc. The corner is of huge importance

[Goodnight, Irene]

You won't find a fighter in the Boxing Universe who will tell you the corner isn't that important.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Working with a fighter every day gives you insight on how to reach them in the most difficult of times. Training is repetition more than anything else, you need those triggers when you only have a minute to get something across. So if you're dismissing work in the corner, you're basically saying that a fighters trainer is irrelevant.

[Jpreisser]

The obvious answer here is yes. Where would Pacqauio be without Roach?

[Controversial]

Of course it does. You only have to look to Tyson when he fought Douglas, Tysons corner were useless, he either ignored them or they were telling Mike what he wanted to hear. On the other hand Enzo Calzaghe bought the best out in Joe.

A good cornerman should be advising his fighter, building their confidence and telling them where they are going wrong, if you have someone who doesn't do these things then it can easily change the outcome of a fight.

[Bricks]

A good capable cornerman can help a fighter.

Having been in the ring many times as an amateur in my youth, I know it can be comforting. A good corner can tell you weaknesses they see in the opponent and that you may not be seeing. If they know you well, they will also know where you want the ice applied, where you need it poured, where u need a massage etc. They can also pump you up and give you confidence and beleif in yourself.

Than again I was only a low level amateur.
A experienced pro probably doesnt need a cornerman as much. Perhaps just to carry the spit bucket and water bottles. I dont know.

Going back to Atlas he was really going through a pathetic hammy phase in the mid 90's acting like his shhit didnt smell. Like he was the attraction not the fighter. Either that or a midlife crisis. Either way his going after Foreman and his fight with Salazar were embarrasing. Not as embarrasing as his corner antics with Moorer.

It became a repetitive chore with Atlas in the mid 90's he would agree to train a fighter and than end it amicably telling the press how his principles couldnt allow him to continue etc etc

All that said he is an incredible tv colour man. I love his commentating even if he can be over harsh on fighters.

[Jesus]

some good answers here....i personally thought atlas got too much credit for moorer's victory over holyfield...and moorer was probably quite pissed off by it which might be why he didnt listen to atlas at all in the moorer-foreman fight and got ktfo...i thought it was a disgrace when atlas sat down on moorer's stool and wouldnt let him sit down...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Totally agree there, it was also pathetic when Atlas was screaming at Moorer that his children were crying because of the way he was fighting. I think that was the Bean fight. Overrated trainer, horrific announcer and all around asshole.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I couldn't disagree more --- on every aspect of Atlas.

[Bricks]

Atlas has always been keen to play the head shrink

Ever since that video of a 15 year old Tyson crying like a pussy, Atlas has played the role of amateur wanabee psychologist. In doing so he has often in fact very frequently questioned the character of fighters and men, as if he is the authority. He questioned the courage of many men,neglecting to remember he himself didnt have the courage to go ahead with a pro career. I dont buy that back ache crap. Or the scar tissue shit.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Atlas has always been keen to play the head shrink

Ever since that video of a 15 year old Tyson crying like a pussy, Atlas has played the role of amateur wanabee psychologist. In doing so he has often in fact very frequently questioned the character of fighters and men, as if he is the authority. He questioned the courage of many men,neglecting to remember he himself didnt have the courage to go ahead with a pro career. I dont buy that back ache crap. Or the scar tissue poop.

I guess you should never question a company who manufacture a car then, even if it breaks down within a few weeks of you buying it, unless you've made one yourself?

[Bricks]

strewth! I reckon youve been at the castlemaine 4 x this arvo! LOL D

[jaclem2]

....of course a corner man makes a big difference. it can be in a positive way or a negative one. by the latter i mean usually incompetence, but a corner man who is in there to have his man lose the fight, sorry my naive ones, can do it easily. a most blatant example was the fellow who put red pepper in his fighter's eyes because the fighter in question started winning against primo carnera.

positive example....dundee in the first ali/liston fight.

as for teddy atlas, i thought he was the most entertaining factor in the moorer fight.

[man]

atlas made him the fight. i do not like him, but it is hard
to dispute this. watch at 7:34 ... moorer knows it ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee2itDnm ... re=related

[Goodnight, Irene]

atlas made him the fight. i do not like him, but it is hard
to dispute this. watch at 7:34 ... moorer knows it ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee2itDnm ... re=related

Absolutely. People hate Atlas. Hated people never get their due...

Just look at me. Like all great men, I am unappreciated in my time D

[man]

atlas made him the fight. i do not like him, but it is hard
to dispute this. watch at 7:34 ... moorer knows it ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee2itDnm ... re=related

Absolutely. People hate Atlas. Hated people never get their due...

Just look at me. Like all great men, I am unappreciated in my time D

dude, i so much appreciate you. so much.

btw if you watch all the things atlas said in the corner you will
realize how tough and caring he was at the same time. and if
you watch the whole fight with this perspective you see that
moorer almost threw it by simply being too passive. the only
reason IMO why evander lasted the whole 12 rounds was moorer's
lack of activity. but it had nill to do with stamina, just look at him
after the bell. the guy was hardly sweating (i exaggerate). it seemed
that the size of the event overwhelmed him so much that he couldn't
get out of himself so to speak - only atlas made him ... and regarding
the stool thing ... it lasts 2 second and was just a drastic gesture,
nothing more.

imo this was a cornerwork masterpiece: get it out of your guy no
matter what. teddy very obviously knew exactly what to say. and
moorer knew he was right, if not i guess there is no boxer who lets
get his trainer away with insults like: "shall i go out?" or "don't come
back here" ...

i dare say who criticizes atlas for his performance has no idea about
boxing. atlas made moorer's effort pay off ... as simple as that. and
the "pay off" was arguably one of the biggest things you can achieve
in professional sports. worth a little slap to your ego.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Preaching to the converted, mate. I am among the few here who admire Atlas.

[jaclem2]

..yeah..i agree...i think atlas was the real factor in moorer winning that fight with holyfield.

[p4p1]

Preaching to the converted, mate. I am among the few here who admire Atlas.

i admire him as well