Michael Hunter

[dondada]

He probably tried to have a go and quickly realised he was not good enough etc etc

No pop at you Ian - my rant was directed at people like MarkP

Smoggy cu.......................

Hey, you're only as good as your last game, barcode...meaning you are utter sh1te! Barton et al are going to look like Robinson Crusoe by Christmas

[REEVE]

just a side point - i thought the atmosphere the crowd got going at hunter v molitor was unreal (fantastic support that) 8) ..... i was just startin ama boxing at the time and thought to myself "that was mint ad love to be able to create that sort of atmosphere 1 day"

tbh i just think hunter killed himself making super bantam..cud of been a good feather imo

[hurlock]

he quit in the molitor fight in his hometown.

he also quit in the booth fight in this hometown when the going got tough. he could be heard shouting "GET ME OUT!!!" to his cornermen on sky.

All you do is slag boxers off, it's sad really mate. This is supposed for people who LIKE boxing. How many fights have you "toughed" it out in anyway?

Understand where you're coming from, Mooresy - haven't really followed this markp chap's posts however.

In his defence though, the Molitor fight was a real shocker. Some are adamant that he didn't pack it in, which is ridiculous. After all the build up, Hunter very, very quickly realised he was out of his depth (power wise, I think) and got out as soon as he could. I'm not making any value judgements at all - could have been an intelligent move.

what are you suggesting he was looking for a way out ian :!:
he was completely outclassed & couldnt lay a glove on molitor who destroys domestic opposition, it was 5rds=15minutes he could of opted earliersurelly

mark p you are disrespectfull, you slag the guy for two fights out of 20 odd. i remember hunter being floored badly by pickering twice in the opening rd & 3rd in his hometown to roar on to a pts decision,& you just want to celebrate what he couldnt do :!: :!: has he run of with the wife???

[Jacko11]

It is strange how it showed a massive heart, confidence and ability to some back in the Pickering fight yet couldn't show it again

spot on that comment is....strange, maybe age caught up with him, it's only YOU that can go on, not what the commentators say its up to you, you are finished if YOU say you are finished 'Neil Fanon' Hunters trainer told me that years ago

[Autobarn]

the molitor fight was strange. it was like one big bluff, i hate to say. hunter looked good in the first two or three rounds, did some nice feints, actually had molitor reacting to his feints. and then the punches started coming, and he didn't want anymore. the fight - a big opportunity - was nothing to brag about and i can see why many posters were bitterly disappointed. it's like the fight was just a feint, nothing more. obviously he needed to be rescued, as he couldn't see where the shots were coming from and couldn't defend himself.

[dondada]

the molitor fight was strange. it was like one big bluff, i hate to say. hunter looked good in the first two or three rounds, did some nice feints, actually had molitor reacting to his feints. and then the punches started coming, and he didn't want anymore.

This is exactly as I remember it. As soon as the heat was turned on, Hunter packed in. As I said, I'm not making any value judgements on what he did - but that's what happened, IMO.

[ERIC GUY]

First time I saw Michael Hunter was the NABC C finals against Nicky Cook at the Grosvenor hotel, Nicky was bowling them all out that season on the way to the finsls, and Hunter beat him on points, cracking fight.........

[dondada]

First time I saw Michael Hunter was the NABC C finals against Nicky Cook at the Grosvenor hotel, Nicky was bowling them all out that season on the way to the finsls, and Hunter beat him on points, cracking fight.........

Eric - tell you what would be a good idea that I reckon would sell well (if you haven't done it already) - a compilation of good amateur contests between boxers who went on to be good pros (whatever the division).

[TheCobra]

First time I saw Michael Hunter was the NABC C finals against Nicky Cook at the Grosvenor hotel, Nicky was bowling them all out that season on the way to the finsls, and Hunter beat him on points, cracking fight.........

Eric - tell you what would be a good idea that I reckon would sell well (if you haven't done it already) - a compilation of good amateur contests between boxers who went on to be good pros (whatever the division).

Agree with that, good idea would be of interest to me.

[TheGoods]

Hunter stopped Cook in a round.

He had some truly incredible fights down the years. The great shame is that Sky weren't on board a bit earlier. His scraps with Payne and Callaghan were proper collectors items. Ref Ian John Lewis still reckons the Callaghan British title scrap is possibly the best he's officiated. Molitor was a bridge too far. But Mick never did himself any favours with the way he lived outside the ring. My head says Molitor would always have beaten him but my heart can't help wondering if things may have been different had the pair met a year before they did? During his absolute prime, which was all to brief, Michael Hunter was a naughty little pugilist.

[ERIC GUY]

First time I saw Michael Hunter was the NABC C finals against Nicky Cook at the Grosvenor hotel, Nicky was bowling them all out that season on the way to the finsls, and Hunter beat him on points, cracking fight.........

Eric - tell you what would be a good idea that I reckon would sell well (if you haven't done it already) - a compilation of good amateur contests between boxers who went on to be good pros (whatever the division).

That might happen, there have been a few interests, but nothing at moment, I have got the degave v groves aba bout on youtube,
I remember filming David Haye getting disq along with his opponent in the schoolby champs...but yeah, I have most guys on tape as amateurs,

[THEBUTCH]

You could do a whole DVD on Wayne Alexander alone!

I think there is something in what markp says. Maybe you could say there were question marks? That's not saying he was an out and out bottler, which of course he wasn't.

I mean think of Paul Lloyd being UNBELIEVABLY out of his depth against modern great Marco Antonio Barrera. Yes, it lasted one round, but my god did he take his lumps and bump like a man. His corner pulled him out of course, but I'd stick money on Lloyd coming out for the second if it was his choice. i.e. there would have been no signs of him calling it a day.

[Deserter]

I mean think of Paul Lloyd being UNBELIEVABLY out of his depth against modern great Marco Antonio Barrera. Yes, it lasted one round, but my god did he take his lumps and bump like a man.

That was a brutal one wasn't it - almost the textbook example to show someone regarding how big the gulf can sometimes be between British class and world class. The Richie Wenton beatdown was a painful one as well.

[THEBUTCH]

Yep, MAB nearly cut Wenton in half with his body shots :(

[Autobarn]

yes, and barrera had every punch in the book, which he used with textbook precision and tremendous leverage.

molitor is a light hitter at world level and folded in his one big fight, caballero.

molitor needs to come back and try to beat one of the rival champs, such as poonsawat, to repair his reputation on the world scene.

[stujones]

I mean think of Paul Lloyd being UNBELIEVABLY out of his depth against modern great Marco Antonio Barrera. Yes, it lasted one round, but my god did he take his lumps and bump like a man.

That was a brutal one wasn't it - almost the textbook example to show someone regarding how big the gulf can sometimes be between British class and world class. The Richie Wenton beatdown was a painful one as well.

Another textbook display was the largely, and almost criminally, forgotton Tim Austin dismantling of Lloyd.

[orbtastic]

I mean think of Paul Lloyd being UNBELIEVABLY out of his depth against modern great Marco Antonio Barrera. Yes, it lasted one round, but my god did he take his lumps and bump like a man.

That was a brutal one wasn't it - almost the textbook example to show someone regarding how big the gulf can sometimes be between British class and world class. The Richie Wenton beatdown was a painful one as well.

Another textbook display was the largely, and almost criminally, forgotton Tim Austin dismantling of Lloyd.

Yeah, both were well out of their depth.

Wenton was never really the same after Stone (understandably).

Winky Wright dominating Bingham, Foster and Dodson was pretty emphatic too, then Makambi finishing the job off for all 3.

[Autobarn]

the thing is, in the 80s british fighters were able to push quality champs very hard, such as cowdell vs sanchez, mcdonnell vs nelson, hardy vs canizales (1st fight), even bruno had his moment vs tyson. in the 90s holligan and jacobs gave chavez and whitaker (respectively) some competitive rounds. i recall kevin lueshing dropping tito trinidad, and adrian dodson, outclassed, battered and bleeding, going all out on winky wright for a while. more recently, wayne alexander, late notice, landing a corking left hook on harry simon before getting beaten down; and richard williams scoring a pair of knockdowns on an improving sergio martinez.

nowadays it seems a lot of british fighters lack some seasoning: see fights like hunter-molitor, lockett-pavlik, jennings-cotto, mitchell-katsidis. a lot of the domestic guys of today couldn't even make it interesting.

[Deserter]

holligan gave chavez some competitive rounds.

I didn't see the fight, but the reports at the time suggested Chavez just toyed with him before wrapping things up.
Admittedly Jacobs did better than expected against Whittaker, but surely that was just Pernell going through the motions given the calibre of opponent?

[stujones]

the thing is, in the 80s british fighters were able to push quality champs very hard, such as cowdell vs sanchez, mcdonnell vs nelson, hardy vs canizales (1st fight), even bruno had his moment vs tyson. in the 90s holligan and jacobs gave chavez and whitaker (respectively) some competitive rounds. i recall kevin lueshing dropping tito trinidad, and adrian dodson, outclassed, battered and bleeding, going all out on winky wright for a while. more recently, wayne alexander, late notice, landing a corking left hook on harry simon before getting beaten down; and richard williams scoring a pair of knockdowns on an improving sergio martinez.

nowadays it seems a lot of british fighters lack some seasoning: see fights like hunter-molitor, lockett-pavlik, jennings-cotto, mitchell-katsidis. a lot of the domestic guys of today couldn't even make it interesting.

What's to blame for this, I actually think Sky's involvement with domestic, small hall boxing, might have had some impact. Pushing these guys on too quickly a tad.

People talk about the good old days of 80's/90's TV.... and yes it was - in some respects, but you have to say how many times would someone, I don't know like Michael Jennings been showcased if it was back to four channel TV. Compare the number of fights in which he has had TV (live, highlights or whatever) compared to a longstanding contender like Jacobs.

Lockett never really got the "is he a world contender treatment" - well he did before he lost to Tsarenko (or whatever his name was) after that I felt his ambition wasn't quite the same and he fought largely smaller guys or guys who were not the same... and I think Sky/Setanta/ITV marketed him as such. Sky were harping on about Hunter and Mitchell being world class way too early.

[Autobarn]

holligan gave chavez some competitive rounds.

I didn't see the fight, but the reports at the time suggested Chavez just toyed with him before wrapping things up.
Admittedly Jacobs did better than expected against Whittaker, but surely that was just Pernell going through the motions given the calibre of opponent?

holligan went for it, backed up chavez a bit. chavez warmed up, broke him down. but at least that and the whitaker fight i mentioned at least had the semblance of being a contest. compare that to lockett, hunter, unable to defend themselves from the shots coming at them, or jennings, who seemed to want to jab from well out of range vs cotto (i thought jennings was at least going to go at him). the former guys i mentioned at least gave some value for money, a few interesting moments, before the inevitable.

[Deserter]

holligan gave chavez some competitive rounds.

I didn't see the fight, but the reports at the time suggested Chavez just toyed with him before wrapping things up.
Admittedly Jacobs did better than expected against Whittaker, but surely that was just Pernell going through the motions given the calibre of opponent?

holligan went for it, backed up chavez a bit. chavez warmed up, broke him down. but at least that and the whitaker fight i mentioned at least had the semblance of being a contest. compare that to lockett, hunter, unable to defend themselves from the shots coming at them, or jennings, who seemed to want to jab from well out of range vs cotto (i thought jennings was at least going to go at him). the former guys i mentioned at least gave some value for money, a few interesting moments, before the inevitable.

Yep, fair points fella.

[orbtastic]

Yeah, Holligan gave it a go and was stopped on his feet from memory?

I re-watched Simon/Alexander on Tuesday, he did pretty well for less than 24 hours notice. Wobbled him with a couple of nice hard shots.

[jameswilson]

He wasn't dedicated enough. Did some things pro boxers shouldn't.

[THEBUTCH]

I found the Holligan outcome a bit strange. Andy took the fight to Chavez (who was happy to box on the back foot) and performed exceptionally well considering it was in Mexico against a legend of the sport...and then it was all over in the 5th. I can only think that whilst Holligan looked to be coping, internally he was in a bad shape.