Best boxers, A to Z

[Goodnight, Irene]

Isn't that the same thing? You mean that Louis would have beaten Armstrong in the ring? Is that a point that needs to be made? So Wlad is the best fighter in the world now?

That's silly at best.

Wlad is the best fighter in the world or Vitali. Simple. P4P is something we do for fun on forums.

[donnellon]

Isn't that the same thing? You mean that Louis would have beaten Armstrong in the ring? Is that a point that needs to be made? So Wlad is the best fighter in the world now?

That's silly at best.

Wlad is the best fighter in the world or Vitali. Simple. P4P is something we do for fun on forums.

Sorry about the confusion, I'm a bit confused myself. The "l" place was been given to Langford, entirely reasonable, but I questioned if it was a given and pointed out the claim of Joe Louis, citing his various attributes and achievment, one of which was that IMO and damn near everyone elses, he was the best fighter in the world for nigh on 12 years. Never mentioned P4P in this context even though there is a seperate argument to be made there. Crossed wires I think.
As an aside however notice that top HW's rarely feature well in these hypothetical P4P ratings, is this because they often havent fought at lower weight classes or because bigger men are less able than their smaller brethern? My point is that a HW champ is the best fighter from 175 (190) up to infinity (or Butterbean). Probably 100 pounds covering the division, that's a lot of P4P brownees IMO.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Isn't that the same thing? You mean that Louis would have beaten Armstrong in the ring? Is that a point that needs to be made? So Wlad is the best fighter in the world now?

That's silly at best.

Wlad is the best fighter in the world or Vitali. Simple. P4P is something we do for fun on forums.

At least I know what I'm dealing with.

Duane Bobick was better than Roberto Duran.
Chris Arreola is better than Pacquiao.
Tommy Morrison was better than Whitaker.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wlad is the best fighter in the world or Vitali. Simple. P4P is something we do for fun on forums.

Sorry about the confusion, I'm a bit confused myself. The "l" place was been given to Langford, entirely reasonable, but I questioned if it was a given and pointed out the claim of Joe Louis, citing his various attributes and achievment, one of which was that IMO and damn near everyone elses, he was the best fighter in the world for nigh on 12 years. Never mentioned P4P in this context even though there is a seperate argument to be made there. Crossed wires I think.
As an aside however notice that top HW's rarely feature well in these hypothetical P4P ratings, is this because they often havent fought at lower weight classes or because bigger men are less able than their smaller brethern? My point is that a HW champ is the best fighter from 175 (190) up to infinity (or Butterbean). Probably 100 pounds covering the division, that's a lot of P4P brownees IMO.

At least you can admit that. P4P didn't have to be mentioned, it's just a term for the best in the world. And assuming that most everyone thought Louis held that mythical crown for over a decade would be false. Didn't Eddie Futch say he would rather watch Holman Williams shadowbox than anyone else fight?

Heavyweights aren't featured as much in p4p lists because they tend to not be as skilled as smaller fighters. As for today's Heavies, just look at them. Haye & Adamek would be in my top 25 because of their work in lower weight classes. Nobody else is there.

This post indicates you're just touching on the old adage that the heavyweight champion is the baddest man on the planet. That shouldn't mean anything in ranking fighters today. especially when we know that Brock Lesner would make either Klitschko beg for mercy in a street fight.

You're trying too hard, nobody has an issue with Louis as an answer. That was just a weird justification.

[donnellon]

"P4P didn't have to be mentioned, it's just a term for the best in the world"
It might be your term, not mine. P4P means surely that if all boxers weighed the same then then so-and-so would be the best, different thing alltogether. I say what I mean, for clarity. If I meant P4P I'd say so. Dont think we will agree on this one.

[The End]

For "W" it's between Barbados Joe Walcott and Mickey Walker. Tough one.

We may as well just skip "X", unless I've missed something.

Cassius X?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

"P4P didn't have to be mentioned, it's just a term for the best in the world"
It might be your term, not mine. P4P means surely that if all boxers weighed the same then then so-and-so would be the best, different thing alltogether. I say what I mean, for clarity. If I meant P4P I'd say so. Dont think we will agree on this one.

You don't even know what you mean. My God, read your words. Your description of P4P = the best fighter in the world. Just stop, you're beginning to embarrass yourself.

[donnellon]

"P4P didn't have to be mentioned, it's just a term for the best in the world"
It might be your term, not mine. P4P means surely that if all boxers weighed the same then then so-and-so would be the best, different thing alltogether. I say what I mean, for clarity. If I meant P4P I'd say so. Dont think we will agree on this one.

You don't even know what you mean. My God, read your words. Your description of P4P = the best fighter in the world. Just stop, you're beginning to embarrass yourself.

You dont seem a very nice person so maybe I shouldnt bother but try this. If 2 guys ran a race the better guy wins. If someone is the best fighter on the world he wins. P4P ypu make allowances for weight differential,ie he is the best allowing for his weight, not the same thing.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

"P4P didn't have to be mentioned, it's just a term for the best in the world"
It might be your term, not mine. P4P means surely that if all boxers weighed the same then then so-and-so would be the best, different thing alltogether. I say what I mean, for clarity. If I meant P4P I'd say so. Dont think we will agree on this one.

You don't even know what you mean. My God, read your words. Your description of P4P = the best fighter in the world. Just stop, you're beginning to embarrass yourself.

You dont seem a very nice person so maybe I shouldnt bother but try this. If 2 guys ran a race the better guy wins. If someone is the best fighter on the world he wins. P4P ypu make allowances for weight differential,ie he is the best allowing for his weight, not the same thing.

I assure you I'm quite a nice person, if not a patient one. So basically your contention is every Heavyweight is a better fighter than every Lightweight? I'm not sure why you're so hell bent on carrying this on. But you may as well clarify yourself.

Either way, that kind of thinking would be a very small percentage of fans. Far from the majority you seem to think would agree that Louis was the best/greatest/P4P/super duper great fighter on the planet for a decade or more.

He was in the running, but guys like Robinson, Armstrong & Pep had many, many backers. Robinson isn't called the greatest of all time because Primo carnera was better.

[Goodnight, Irene]

For "W" it's between Barbados Joe Walcott and Mickey Walker. Tough one.

We may as well just skip "X", unless I've missed something.

Cassius X?

Clever. If that was legally-rendered, he would be in contention, in spite of being relatively-green at the time. He was in his prime, just not with a lot of experience to show for it.