Who does Danny green 'owe' you?

[Sweet P]

To be honest i think Green Owes people Fukk All.

Hopefully he can get a big name fighter to come over here. But people are really forgetting that Green was a huge underdog in the RJJ fight. Green KOd him and got no respect for it. Then RJJ goes back to the USA and goes 12 rounds with Hopkins.
The Briggs fight was bad but it isnt exactly Green's fault, He was fit and ready for a tough fight.

[Tinnie]

To be honest i think Green Owes people Fukk All.

Hopefully he can get a big name fighter to come over here. But people are really forgetting that Green was a huge underdog in the RJJ fight. Green KOd him and got no respect for it. Then RJJ goes back to the USA and goes 12 rounds with Hopkins.
The Briggs fight was bad but it isnt exactly Green's fault, He was fit and ready for a tough fight.

Sorry bud but i couldnt disagree with you more. RJJ is the exception to a short list of very average opponents Green has fought since his come back and most reasonable people give Green his dues for that victory. Hopkins/Jones Jnr was 12 rounds of rabbit punching and theatrics, no-one was ever going to get hurt in that fight.

Green has left a stink of death hovering over mainstream Australian boxing, Paul Kent claimed in one of his articles that Siaca was infact pulled out of rehab to train for his fight with Green, whether that is true or not i dont know. On the other hand the Briggs debacle blew up in his face very publicly for all to see, whether Briggs intentionally dove or not it was blatently a fixed fight and a grab for easy cash from both parties. If Green had beat on Briggs for three rounds and Briggs ended up in a coma or dead then i think you would feel much differently, any suggestion of Greens ignorance to Briggs' medical condition as an excuse is dismissed since NSW refused the fight to go ahead and made very public they're reasons for doing so.

Green does owe his fans something. Either one of the other top 2 CWs or a top 10 HW, no-one smaller. It's either that or he owes them to retire again... very quietly.

[Marlin]

Green was in the paper today saying his next fight will be in November in either Sydney or Perth. He said he is deep negotiations with someone "to be excited about".

Now, with that said I still doubt it will be a Title holder or a top European. Someone like Wayne Braithwaite might be the go.

[ra2006]

http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=30273

There are strong rumors that a CW Super Six is being arranged. The tournament would feature Denis Lebedev, Marco Huck, Steve Cunningham, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Krzysztof Wlodarczyk, and an undetermined sixth man. Lebedev, Huck, and Wlodarczyk are all more powerful than anyone Green has ever fought. Green is used to overpowering smaller fighters, can he do the same thing against naturally bigger men like these? Cunningham is the most skilled fighter of the group and would definitely trouble Green with his stylish boxing. Hernandez is by far the worst of the mentioned fighters. He is 6'4 and has some pop, but he has a glass chin and is horrifically boring to watch because he is very tentative on account of his limited punch resistance.

I'm sure the chances of Green entering a multiyear tournament like this are slim, but we can dream can't we? After all, Saurerland is hinting that the final participant will be a champion, and Green is the IBO kingpin. I’m sure all boxing fans would be curious to see how he fares against the best cruiserweights in the world.

Right, for the past few months I have let stuff like this pass however I feel Everybody needs a quick recap.

The IBOllox title is a Paper title, it is irrelevent, it is stupid title given to fighters who can't be bothered/scared shitless of stepping up and getting a real world title.

Pleased to be of service, you may now continue.

[crusader]

I agree, but Green is technically still a champion, even if he does a hold a bogus title. Sauerland said the final participant will likely be a champion, he did not say they would hold a credible belt.

[ra2006]

I agree, but Green is technically still a champion, even if he does a hold a bogus title. Sauerland said the final participant will likely be a champion, he did not say they would hold a credible belt.

Agreed, but there will be one very good reason why Green will not be the final competitor. He lives and will want to fight in Australia. The Germans will want either an American or Europeon fighter due to the time difference.

I am sure Green will want to have his home fights here, and it does not make financial sense to the organisers to hold them here on a Wednesday Night, when all boxing fans over in Europe and the US will want the fights screened PPV Saturday night in there timezone.

For this reason alone Green will not be taking part. Sad but true.

[Brute]

I agree, but Green is technically still a champion, even if he does a hold a bogus title. Sauerland said the final participant will likely be a champion, he did not say they would hold a credible belt.

Why is it bogus? Who are the champions?
Cunningham-IBF.
Huck-WBO
Guillermo Jones-WBA (inactive two years)
Wlodarczyk-WBC.

Apart from Green, who else have you got?

[crusader]

I agree, but Green is technically still a champion, even if he does a hold a bogus title. Sauerland said the final participant will likely be a champion, he did not say they would hold a credible belt.

Why is it bogus?

The calibre of boxer who usually competes for the IBO title is very low and I believe anyone in the top 50 of the IBO rankings can challenge for a title For example, Lovemore N'dou recently fought Matthew Hatton for the IBO welterweight title, yet neither of those guys are near world class.

Green’s claim to a world title is bogus. Julio Cesar Dominguez, Paul Briggs, and Manny Siaca have absolutely no business being in world title bouts at this stage of their careers. Siaca had fought as a middleweight in his previous bout and Briggs had been off for almost four years and campaigned as a lightweight for virtually his entire career. Dominguez had never beaten a world class fighter or someone even remotely close to it, and was easily knocked out by the two decent light heavyweights he fought, while also losing to a 13-9 fighter as recently as 2006. Of course, there are some good IBO champions, but generally, the WBO, WBA, WBC, and IBF have boxers competing in bouts for their world titles that are of a higher level. That is why they are considered 'major' world titles, while the IBO is not.

All of the 'major' titlists at CW have scored victories over multiple victories over world class cruiserweights and all of them won their titles against a world class cruiserweight. That is why there is more legitimacy to their reigns at the top.

[Brute]

OK. After the IBF, WBO, WBC and inactive WBA champions, what are the other two titles above the IBO?

By the way, Wlodarczyk won the vacant WBC title by beating Giacobe Fragomani, who had previously lost to Zsolt Erdei for the same vacant title. Erdei, who is 5'10" and came in at 178 for the fight, relinquished the title.

What is real now?

[crusader]

OK. After the IBF, WBO, WBC and inactive WBA champions, what are the other two titles above the IBO?

The WBO, IBF, WBC, and WBA titles are the only ones really worth mentioning. Even if the IBO is the fifth most highly regarded belt in all of boxing, it is not considered a major title and is well below the other four belts in terms of prestige. I know the 'big four' get a lot of flak, but pretty much all the elite boxers in the world compete for these belts. Most of the elite fighters never even compete in a bout sanctioned by the IBO. I have explained why the IBO title is less credible than the other four, and why Danny Green's reign as champion is very questionable. Surely, unless you are blinded by bias, you would agree that Dominguez, Siaca, and Briggs should have never been in world title bouts and that Roy Jones was not a world class cruiserweight. Even the inactive WBA champion, Guillermo Jones, has knockout wins over a prime Wayne Braithwaite and the top ten Firat Arslan.

[crusader]

OK. After the IBF, WBO, WBC and inactive WBA champions, what are the other two titles above the IBO?

By the way, Wlodarczyk won the vacant WBC title by beating Giacobe Fragomani, who had previously lost to Zsolt Erdei for the same vacant title. Erdei, who is 5'10" and came in at 178 for the fight, relinquished the title.

What is real now?

Fragomeni was a proven world class cruiserweight who pushed David Haye to the brink, had a win over the top ten Rudolf Kraj, and fought Wlodarczyk (who has a win over the #1 CW Steve Cunningham) to a draw in their first encounter. So what if he lost a very close fight to Erdei. Erdei was ranked higher than Jones was at LHW and is leagues above Briggs, Siaca (who weighed in at 159 prior to fighting Green), and Dominguez.

[crusader]

I agree, but Green is technically still a champion, even if he does a hold a bogus title. Sauerland said the final participant will likely be a champion, he did not say they would hold a credible belt.

Why is it bogus? Who are the champions?
Cunningham-IBF.
Huck-WBO
Guillermo Jones-WBA (inactive two years)
Wlodarczyk-WBC.

Apart from Green, who else have you got?

I think it will likely be the WBA champion, who will be Jones or Valery Brudov , or the European champion, who will be Enzo Maccarinell or Alexander Frenkel.

[Sweet P]

To be honest i think Green Owes people Fukk All.

Hopefully he can get a big name fighter to come over here. But people are really forgetting that Green was a huge underdog in the RJJ fight. Green KOd him and got no respect for it. Then RJJ goes back to the USA and goes 12 rounds with Hopkins.
The Briggs fight was bad but it isnt exactly Green's fault, He was fit and ready for a tough fight.

Sorry bud but i couldnt disagree with you more. RJJ is the exception to a short list of very average opponents Green has fought since his come back and most reasonable people give Green his dues for that victory. Hopkins/Jones Jnr was 12 rounds of rabbit punching and theatrics, no-one was ever going to get hurt in that fight.

Green has left a stink of death hovering over mainstream Australian boxing, Paul Kent claimed in one of his articles that Siaca was infact pulled out of rehab to train for his fight with Green, whether that is true or not i dont know. On the other hand the Briggs debacle blew up in his face very publicly for all to see, whether Briggs intentionally dove or not it was blatently a fixed fight and a grab for easy cash from both parties. If Green had beat on Briggs for three rounds and Briggs ended up in a coma or dead then i think you would feel much differently, any suggestion of Greens ignorance to Briggs' medical condition as an excuse is dismissed since NSW refused the fight to go ahead and made very public they're reasons for doing so.

Green does owe his fans something. Either one of the other top 2 CWs or a top 10 HW, no-one smaller. It's either that or he owes them to retire again... very quietly.

I couldnt care less what Paul Kent thinks, Who the fornicate is he anyway. Siaca out of Rehab. What a load of shit.
The Briggs fight wasnt good but i dont see how Danny is to Blame when by all accounts Briggs was asking for the fight. I talked to Paul 5 weeks before the fight and he said to me he was confident off Knocking Green out early.

If you think Green Owes you something then fair enough, But to be honest he is 37 years old. If he fights a few top 10-20 guys then retires good luck to him. I think he has had a good career whether he fights any more big name guys or not. Is he Australia's best ever NO, Is he a guy who claimed to be NO.
Is he a fighter who used his determanation and brutal punching Power to beat some good fighters and become a World Champion YES.

[Brute]

I agree, but Green is technically still a champion, even if he does a hold a bogus title. Sauerland said the final participant will likely be a champion, he did not say they would hold a credible belt.

Why is it bogus? Who are the champions?
Cunningham-IBF.
Huck-WBO
Guillermo Jones-WBA (inactive two years)
Wlodarczyk-WBC.

Apart from Green, who else have you got?

I think it will likely be the WBA champion, who will be Jones or Valery Brudov , or the European champion, who will be Enzo Maccarinell or Alexander Frenkel.

So you have the WBA title being fought out by the aging champion who has not fought in two years and a challenger who has not fought in over a year and a WBC title a light heavyweight relinquished and the current champion won it by beating the guy the light heavyweight beat. Who do you say is going to make up this super six?

[Lethaleigh76]

Heys guys, not going off the ball park how do you rate the best titles, Obivously IBO is 5th ? Wat order would you rate these WBA, WBC WBO IBF ? Thanks..

[ra2006]

Heys guys, not going off the ball park how do you rate the best titles, Obivously IBO is 5th ? Wat order would you rate these WBA, WBC WBO IBF ? Thanks..

Generally the big 4 where you are a regarded as a real World champion is WBA/C/O and the IBF.

My personal view I always regard the top title as being the WBC, the other three are nice to haves. However, you are not a true world champion until you unify two of these belts. That is not a fact or the way things are, it is purely just from my viewpoint.


The rest of the belts have an equal footing, the IBO/U/A, the WBF/U/E are all paper titles. They don't matter!!

The IBO is only singled out because they have a very good ranking system which does not discriminate, and which the big four should take note off.

[Brute]

It's all over the place. In the heavies, Wlad Klitschko holds the IBF, WBO and IBO titles. His brother Vitali holds the WBC title.

Haye holds the WBA title, but I would not give him much of a chance against either Klitschko. Too small.

[crusader]

Why is it bogus? Who are the champions?
Cunningham-IBF.
Huck-WBO
Guillermo Jones-WBA (inactive two years)
Wlodarczyk-WBC.

Apart from Green, who else have you got?

I think it will likely be the WBA champion, who will be Jones or Valery Brudov , or the European champion, who will be Enzo Maccarinell or Alexander Frenkel.

So you have the WBA title being fought out by the aging champion who has not fought in two years and a challenger who has not fought in over a year and a WBC title a light heavyweight relinquished and the current champion won it by beating the guy the light heavyweight beat. Who do you say is going to make up this super six?

Wlod has also beaten Steve Cunningham, so it's not like he only has the win against Fragomeni to his name. He has proven he can beat elite cruiserweights.

The super six will likely include Lebedev, Cunningham, Wlod, Huck, Hernandez, and a final fighter yet to be named. I think it will be either the Jones/Brudov winner or the Frenkel/Enzo winner.

[Brute]

Macaroni has done nothing lately. Afolabi and Ledbedev both Koed him last year, neither of them had 20 fights behind them.

Wlod fights Neville Nobody next month.

[crusader]

Macaroni has done nothing lately. Afolabi and Ledbedev both Koed him last year, neither of them had 20 fights behind them.

Wlod fights Neville Nobody next month.

What exactly is your point?

Wlod has defeated arguably the best fighter in the division in Cunningham and a top ten champion in Fragomeni. If Enzo beats Frenkel, he will be coming off a win over two young, dangerous opponents--Kotolbay was favoured to beat him, and many people think Frenkel will KO him. As for the losses, yes they were pretty bad knockouts, but Enzo was dominating a fighter in Afolabi who is now world ranked and gave Huck more troubles than anyone else has recently. Lebedev is looking like a monster and is arguably the hardest puncher in the division. You can disparage these fighters all you want, but all the names I have mentioned are levels above no hopers like Dominguez, Siaca, and Briggs.

Green should be facing opponents who are in the top ten of the division he fights them in. He is a good fighter and a very live opponent against anyone below heavyweight. There are many boxers in the world who fight weak opposition because they would be outgunned if they stepped up; Green is not one of these fighters, and it is just my opinion that he should be in with guys who are of similiar abilities. The win over Jones was impressive, but it is time to start fighting live bodies again. You seem so opposed to that idea for some reason and instead want to get into a debate about what other cruiserweights have proven.

[Brute]

Green is a lethal puncher. If a fighter can be KOed, Green has a good chance of doing it.

27 KOs in 33 fights. He has never been stopped either.

[Tinnie]

To be honest i think Green Owes people Fukk All.

Hopefully he can get a big name fighter to come over here. But people are really forgetting that Green was a huge underdog in the RJJ fight. Green KOd him and got no respect for it. Then RJJ goes back to the USA and goes 12 rounds with Hopkins.
The Briggs fight was bad but it isnt exactly Green's fault, He was fit and ready for a tough fight.

Sorry bud but i couldnt disagree with you more. RJJ is the exception to a short list of very average opponents Green has fought since his come back and most reasonable people give Green his dues for that victory. Hopkins/Jones Jnr was 12 rounds of rabbit punching and theatrics, no-one was ever going to get hurt in that fight.

Green has left a stink of death hovering over mainstream Australian boxing, Paul Kent claimed in one of his articles that Siaca was infact pulled out of rehab to train for his fight with Green, whether that is true or not i dont know. On the other hand the Briggs debacle blew up in his face very publicly for all to see, whether Briggs intentionally dove or not it was blatently a fixed fight and a grab for easy cash from both parties. If Green had beat on Briggs for three rounds and Briggs ended up in a coma or dead then i think you would feel much differently, any suggestion of Greens ignorance to Briggs' medical condition as an excuse is dismissed since NSW refused the fight to go ahead and made very public they're reasons for doing so.

Green does owe his fans something. Either one of the other top 2 CWs or a top 10 HW, no-one smaller. It's either that or he owes them to retire again... very quietly.

I couldnt care less what Paul Kent thinks, Who the fornicate is he anyway. Siaca out of Rehab. What a load of poop.
The Briggs fight wasnt good but i dont see how Danny is to Blame when by all accounts Briggs was asking for the fight. I talked to Paul 5 weeks before the fight and he said to me he was confident off Knocking Green out early.

If you think Green Owes you something then fair enough, But to be honest he is 37 years old. If he fights a few top 10-20 guys then retires good luck to him. I think he has had a good career whether he fights any more big name guys or not. Is he Australia's best ever NO, Is he a guy who claimed to be NO.
Is he a fighter who used his determanation and brutal punching Power to beat some good fighters and become a World Champion YES.

As i said i dont Kent's source or how reliable it is. What i do know is that he is one of a very few sports journalists who has given the time to continually support and promote Australian boxing positively in the mainstream media and i've never had the impression that he is a hatemonger that publishes unsubstantiated trash to support his opinion. But believe what you wish.

As i said, if Briggs had been seriuosly hurt then i feel you would see this in a completely different light, i feel it was alot closer to something tragic than people are willing to relise and i feel circumstances are lucky they finished in the manner they did. More able and healthy men than current Briggs have tragically been befelled in the ring. He had no business being in that ring with Green. Ofcourse Paul would tell you he was confident of an early stoppage, but hell i cant blame him, i'd let Green jab me in the face for $250,000. I'm sorry mate i just dont see any way to sugarcoat what Green has done, especially when people (Green included) are quick to abuse the crap out of Mundine for doing the same thing.

I personally dont think Green owes me anything, i've accepted whats happened and im happy to see Briggs is ok. But no more of my money will be going towards Green fights, which is a shame because i still support the young fellas in Green Machine Pormotions. I aslo think you missed one point, it's not been about Green not fighting big names, it's about him getting in the ring with someone who has legitimately proven they could be a challenge to him or his title. If he fights (as you suggested) some top 10-20 guys then retires, GREAT! Dominguez, Siaca and Briggs certainly do not fit in that catagory

[Sweet P]

Sorry bud but i couldnt disagree with you more. RJJ is the exception to a short list of very average opponents Green has fought since his come back and most reasonable people give Green his dues for that victory. Hopkins/Jones Jnr was 12 rounds of rabbit punching and theatrics, no-one was ever going to get hurt in that fight.

Green has left a stink of death hovering over mainstream Australian boxing, Paul Kent claimed in one of his articles that Siaca was infact pulled out of rehab to train for his fight with Green, whether that is true or not i dont know. On the other hand the Briggs debacle blew up in his face very publicly for all to see, whether Briggs intentionally dove or not it was blatently a fixed fight and a grab for easy cash from both parties. If Green had beat on Briggs for three rounds and Briggs ended up in a coma or dead then i think you would feel much differently, any suggestion of Greens ignorance to Briggs' medical condition as an excuse is dismissed since NSW refused the fight to go ahead and made very public they're reasons for doing so.

Green does owe his fans something. Either one of the other top 2 CWs or a top 10 HW, no-one smaller. It's either that or he owes them to retire again... very quietly.

I couldnt care less what Paul Kent thinks, Who the fornicate is he anyway. Siaca out of Rehab. What a load of poop.
The Briggs fight wasnt good but i dont see how Danny is to Blame when by all accounts Briggs was asking for the fight. I talked to Paul 5 weeks before the fight and he said to me he was confident off Knocking Green out early.

If you think Green Owes you something then fair enough, But to be honest he is 37 years old. If he fights a few top 10-20 guys then retires good luck to him. I think he has had a good career whether he fights any more big name guys or not. Is he Australia's best ever NO, Is he a guy who claimed to be NO.
Is he a fighter who used his determanation and brutal punching Power to beat some good fighters and become a World Champion YES.

As i said i dont Kent's source or how reliable it is. What i do know is that he is one of a very few sports journalists who has given the time to continually support and promote Australian boxing positively in the mainstream media and i've never had the impression that he is a hatemonger that publishes unsubstantiated trash to support his opinion. But believe what you wish.

As i said, if Briggs had been seriuosly hurt then i feel you would see this in a completely different light, i feel it was alot closer to something tragic than people are willing to relise and i feel circumstances are lucky they finished in the manner they did. More able and healthy men than current Briggs have tragically been befelled in the ring. He had no business being in that ring with Green. Ofcourse Paul would tell you he was confident of an early stoppage, but hell i cant blame him, i'd let Green jab me in the face for $250,000. I'm sorry mate i just dont see any way to sugarcoat what Green has done, especially when people (Green included) are quick to abuse the crap out of Mundine for doing the same thing.

I personally dont think Green owes me anything, i've accepted whats happened and im happy to see Briggs is ok. But no more of my money will be going towards Green fights, which is a shame because i still support the young fellas in Green Machine Pormotions. I aslo think you missed one point, it's not been about Green not fighting big names, it's about him getting in the ring with someone who has legitimately proven they could be a challenge to him or his title. If he fights (as you suggested) some top 10-20 guys then retires, GREAT! Dominguez, Siaca and Briggs certainly do not fit in that catagory

Fair enough, I didnt read your post properly as usual

I too want him in a competitive fight. And hopefully they can get someone in that calibre.

[dan h]

Paul Kent knwows SFA about boxing. He was part of the commentry team for one HD.

I don't think Green owes me any fight. I just think he owes me $50 bucks for the last fight of his I bought. If he cvan give me that back, we're sweet.

[ra2006]

I suggest Team Green get on the phone now.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=125731

Come on Danny, top class CW ready to fight.