Has Harrison got Haye's number?

[tonyevs]

95/5

Two counterpunchers..

Two very tallented guys..

One a real under-achiever in the division.
One a real over-achiever in the division.

Ones got no real heart.
Ones got no real chin.

For me. This is a 60/40 match-up.

With the better odds. I`d gamble on a Harrison win.

[Crease]

It's not a sure thing. I'm giving Audley a small chance to win.

Give up on them Crusader, after Haye destroys Harrison I will bump this thread.

And then we will see that fellows that look very silly indeed.

As for this 60/40?
Carlos, do you really believe that Harrison would beat Haye 4 times out of 10?

[jBacca]

I'd give Harrison a 10% chance of a win.

He is nowhere near the level of Haye. As soon as Haye hits him he'll fold. Haye finishes this when he wants.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Harrison has never been in the ring with a top ten fighter. He has lost to a fringe contender and three EBU level fighters. You could even make a case that George Arias did enough to earn a draw. Almost every fighter that is given a shot at a world title is motivated. Simply being pumped up for the night does not mean a significant gap in talent and skill can be overcome. Do you really think Haye is going to be less motivated or in anything but excellent shape?

To say people are predicting a decided Haye victory because they are blinded by a dislike of Audley is laughable. I for one have no problems with Audley, and would like to see him score an upset. People who see this as a one-sided fight for Haye are doing so because the have actually taken the time out to look at each fighter’s record and watch some of their bouts. Then it becomes clear why Harrison is getting knocked unconscious by the likes of Sprott and losing to guys like Martin Rogan, while Haye was the number one cruiserweight of a decade and now a world champion at heavyweight.

I for one don’t see how a fight between an average EBU level fighter who has never beaten an opponent in the top 20 and someone who is top three in the world is 60/40. I don’t necessarily think Haye will win in two rounds, but he will thoroughly dominate and score a stoppage at some point. I would be surprised if it went past eight.

Crusader, you are being very retro/old skool here – Harrison hasn’t beaten a top 10 fighter now? Tell me who has beaten a top 10 fighter to earn a world title shot these days? The mindset you have is very 1975 – beating contenders and earning your way up to the gold. Haye beat Monte Barrett to earn his right to fight Valuev. Barrett wasn’t top 10 either! Simply put – Harrisons problems are not physical but mental. Harrison as an amateur was nothing to shout about – he got beat many times as an amateur – especially against the eastern Europeans but he did win olympic gold – the highest accolade in amateur boxing and everything before then has been forgotten about.

There is no way Rogan should have beaten Audley on points nor Guinn nor Williams – Audley has this annoying tendency to do enough to win or even more frustratingly – thinks all he has to do is turn up to win. He had it etched on his mind that all he had to do is turn up and Rogan was done and dusted and he got the shock of his life. Same with Williams – a man who he thought he could have beaten as a novice pro.

This fight is different – he knows Haye and he knows he has to be focused. Do I think Haye could have took this lightly? Yes I do – he has been getting more cavilier as a heavyweight – taking risks and wanting to flatten guys with one shot. Maybe Haye is a bit overconfident in regards Harrison. My opinion – Harrison stands a real chance of pulling this off. This fight is all about mental attitudes - if Harrison is right and Haye is overconfident there will be a lot of egg on a lot of faces!

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

As for this 60/40?
Carlos, do you really believe that Harrison would beat Haye 4 times out of 10?

Yes, I do. :geek2:

[jBacca]

Harrison has never been in the ring with a top ten fighter. He has lost to a fringe contender and three EBU level fighters. You could even make a case that George Arias did enough to earn a draw. Almost every fighter that is given a shot at a world title is motivated. Simply being pumped up for the night does not mean a significant gap in talent and skill can be overcome. Do you really think Haye is going to be less motivated or in anything but excellent shape?

To say people are predicting a decided Haye victory because they are blinded by a dislike of Audley is laughable. I for one have no problems with Audley, and would like to see him score an upset. People who see this as a one-sided fight for Haye are doing so because the have actually taken the time out to look at each fighter’s record and watch some of their bouts. Then it becomes clear why Harrison is getting knocked unconscious by the likes of Sprott and losing to guys like Martin Rogan, while Haye was the number one cruiserweight of a decade and now a world champion at heavyweight.

I for one don’t see how a fight between an average EBU level fighter who has never beaten an opponent in the top 20 and someone who is top three in the world is 60/40. I don’t necessarily think Haye will win in two rounds, but he will thoroughly dominate and score a stoppage at some point. I would be surprised if it went past eight.

Crusader, you are being very retro/old skool here – Harrison hasn’t beaten a top 10 fighter now? Tell me who has beaten a top 10 fighter to earn a world title shot these days? The mindset you have is very 1975 – beating contenders and earning your way up to the gold. Haye beat Monte Barrett to earn his right to fight Valuev. Barrett wasn’t top 10 either! Simply put – Harrisons problems are not physical but mental. Harrison as an amateur was nothing to shout about – he got beat many times as an amateur – especially against the eastern Europeans but he did win olympic gold – the highest accolade in amateur boxing and everything before then has been forgotten about.

There is no way Rogan should have beaten Audley on points nor Guinn nor Williams – Audley has this annoying tendency to do enough to win or even more frustratingly – thinks all he has to do is turn up to win. He had it etched on his mind that all he had to do is turn up and Rogan was done and dusted and he got the shock of his life. Same with Williams – a man who he thought he could have beaten as a novice pro.

This fight is different – he knows Haye and he knows he has to be focused. Do I think Haye could have took this lightly? Yes I do – he has been getting more cavilier as a heavyweight – taking risks and wanting to flatten guys with one shot. Maybe Haye is a bit overconfident in regards Harrison. My opinion – Harrison stands a real chance of pulling this off. This fight is all about mental attitudes - if Harrison is right and Haye is overconfident there will be a lot of egg on a lot of faces!

I think Crusader is making the point that Harrison has never been in with the quality of a top 10 fighter, and has struggled on numerous times against foes who are nowhere near the top 10.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I think Crusader is making the point that Harrison has never been in with the quality of a top 10 fighter, and has struggled on numerous times against foes who are nowhere near the top 10.

JBacca - nobody fights top 10 fighters these days - even world champions fight the likes of Mario fornicating Veit and John Midget Man Bailey rather than top flight contenders. (unless they are forced to) so Harrisons credentials as a contender should not be up for inspection unless we are to compare him to todays world title challengers whose CVs are not as dazzling as Mr Harrisons - who did Jason Booth beat to get his world title shot at Steve Molitor? This is boxing today and it pains me more than anybody but don't blame Harrison for todays boxing admin being in shitstate.

And Harrison didn't lose to those fighters (which two were avenged) because they were better but because Harrison was unmotivated and thats been the problem throughout his career - his own mental attitude and arrogance - who would have put money on Rogan to outpoint Harrison? Harrison lost because he thought all he had to do was turn up to win.
I don't think Harrison will be lacking for motivation against Haye.

[MightyWarrior]

Of course Haye is the big favorite, no question. I'd back him if betting the mortgage. But his chin is a massive question, he's hadly been hit at heavy.
Aud may be no big puncher, but he hits a hell of a lot harder than a supermiddle like Mock.

You can talk about previous, records and form lines till you're blue in the face, but that's what upsets are all about - form line out the window. Just check Douglas/Tyson - Buster had a similar rep to Audley, an underachiever who lacked the heart for a real battle.

We'll see, Aud should lose, but if he gets his mind right, and gives it a real go, he's got a better than punchers chance, because he's big and can box too. Of course if he freezes like Macca did, then it's goodnight big Aud.

[jBacca]

I think Crusader is making the point that Harrison has never been in with the quality of a top 10 fighter, and has struggled on numerous times against foes who are nowhere near the top 10.

JBacca - nobody fights top 10 fighters these days - even world champions fight the likes of Mario effing Veit and John Midget Man Bailey rather than top flight contenders. (unless they are forced to) so Harrisons credentials as a contender should not be up for inspection unless we are to compare him to todays world title challengers whose CVs are not as dazzling as Mr Harrisons - who did Jason Booth beat to get his world title shot at Steve Molitor? This is boxing today and it pains me more than anybody but don't blame Harrison for todays boxing admin being in shitstate.

And Harrison didn't lose to those fighters (which two were avenged) because they were better but because Harrison was unmotivated and thats been the problem throughout his career - his own mental attitude and arrogance - who would have put money on Rogan to outpoint Harrison? Harrison lost because he thought all he had to do was turn up to win.
I don't think Harrison will be lacking for motivation against Haye.

Carlos, I have no qualms with Harrison being granted the fight mate. I don't mind paying out for it either. I just don't believe Harrison has fought anyone of Haye's quality, and has regularly let us down against opponents who are nowhere near as good as Haye. So for some people to genuinely think Harrison has a good chance (40%), appears a bit daft). This is what I mean (and I think Crusader means) about having not fought foes in the top 10.

I don't think Audley will lack motivation, but how many times have we said this? I think he may have a decent first round, not necessarily hurting Haye, but going on the attack. His downfall will be when Haye tags him properly (am guessing early the second), and he falls into the shell he's become infamous for. Haye will go for the stoppage, but Audley will survive (having been dropped). Third round starts and Audley covers up from the start. Haye attacks and bombs Audley out. My opinion anyway.

[Spud]

We'll see, Aud should lose, but if he gets his mind right, and gives it a real go, he's got a better than punchers chance, because he's big and can box too. Of course if he freezes like Macca did, then it's goodnight big Aud.

Therein lies Audley's big big hurdle!!! - if he is so much as a tadge cautious or nervous then Haye will muller him.

[McCannW14]

Look at this list of quotes that I have extracted from this topic page:

He's big and can punch, and Haye's chin aint great by a long shot.

if Audley cathes him with that right uppercut, it could be curtains.

Audley's left uppercut has power, if he lands that he can knock Haye out.

hes got a punchers chance.

Harrison has Good punch power when he lets the hands go.

Harrison has the potential to knock out Haye

People are saying that they give Audley a puncher's chance, let me just say one thing...
Audley Harrison is not a puncher!

Haye should win easily, but you dont need to be a puncher to hurt Haye. Ask Lonlenga Mock.

[Punchy Joe]

I honestly think being cautious is Audley's only chance in this fight, Haye is a massive puncher on a par with Lennox Lewis. It would be daft of Harrison to try and back Haye up (it would be lights out real quick for him if he did). I think he will make Haye lead and be aggressor(remember Haye is essentially a counterpuncher too) and try and walk Haye on to His best shot that left uppercut. If he can land that he can definitely hurt Haye badly.
I give him a 20% to 25% chance of pulling it off.

[Spud]

Pucnhy Joe,

I completely disagree - Audley Harrison must not be cautious - he must not allow David Haye to tee off and do what he wants - he needs to chase down Haye - smother all of Hayes work turn it into a messy horrible boring fight where Haye is not allowed any room whatsoever - thats his only chance and I personally think Audley will bottle it.

[crusader]

Harrison has never been in the ring with a top ten fighter. He has lost to a fringe contender and three EBU level fighters. You could even make a case that George Arias did enough to earn a draw. Almost every fighter that is given a shot at a world title is motivated. Simply being pumped up for the night does not mean a significant gap in talent and skill can be overcome. Do you really think Haye is going to be less motivated or in anything but excellent shape?

To say people are predicting a decided Haye victory because they are blinded by a dislike of Audley is laughable. I for one have no problems with Audley, and would like to see him score an upset. People who see this as a one-sided fight for Haye are doing so because the have actually taken the time out to look at each fighter’s record and watch some of their bouts. Then it becomes clear why Harrison is getting knocked unconscious by the likes of Sprott and losing to guys like Martin Rogan, while Haye was the number one cruiserweight of a decade and now a world champion at heavyweight.

I for one don’t see how a fight between an average EBU level fighter who has never beaten an opponent in the top 20 and someone who is top three in the world is 60/40. I don’t necessarily think Haye will win in two rounds, but he will thoroughly dominate and score a stoppage at some point. I would be surprised if it went past eight.

Crusader, you are being very retro/old skool here – Harrison hasn’t beaten a top 10 fighter now? Tell me who has beaten a top 10 fighter to earn a world title shot these days? The mindset you have is very 1975 – beating contenders and earning your way up to the gold. Haye beat Monte Barrett to earn his right to fight Valuev. Barrett wasn’t top 10 either! Simply put – Harrisons problems are not physical but mental. Harrison as an amateur was nothing to shout about – he got beat many times as an amateur – especially against the eastern Europeans but he did win olympic gold – the highest accolade in amateur boxing and everything before then has been forgotten about.

There is no way Rogan should have beaten Audley on points nor Guinn nor Williams – Audley has this annoying tendency to do enough to win or even more frustratingly – thinks all he has to do is turn up to win. He had it etched on his mind that all he had to do is turn up and Rogan was done and dusted and he got the shock of his life. Same with Williams – a man who he thought he could have beaten as a novice pro.
My point is that Harrison has never proved he is a world-class fighter (it will take a world class fighter to beat Haye) and when he fought someone close to that level (Guinn) he lost by a wide margin. He also lost to three other fighters who are nowhere near Haye's level. That is why I'm mentioning those fights, because based off those performances I don't see why people are giving him such a good chance against the third best heavyweight in the world. I am not denying a lot of fighters get a title shot without beating a top guy, I'm just saying Harrison has done nothing to deserve a 40% chance at winning.

You say there is no way Audley should have lost to the likes of Guinn and Rogan, but he has never done anything to suggest that he is a level above these guys. Anyways, I am not trying to bash Audley, I want to see him win. I hope that I am very wrong about this, and he turns up and fights a great fight. I don’t think that will happen though.

This fight is different – he knows Haye and he knows he has to be focused. Do I think Haye could have took this lightly? Yes I do – he has been getting more cavilier as a heavyweight – taking risks and wanting to flatten guys with one shot. Maybe Haye is a bit overconfident in regards Harrison. My opinion – Harrison stands a real chance of pulling this off. This fight is all about mental attitudes - if Harrison is right and Haye is overconfident there will be a lot of egg on a lot of faces!

My point is that Harrison has never proved he is a world-class fighter (it will take a world class fighter to beat Haye) and when he fought someone close to that level (Guinn, who is a much lesser fighter than Haye) he lost by a wide margin. He also lost to three other fighters who are nowhere near Haye's level. That is why I'm mentioning those fights, because based off those performances I don't see why people are giving him such a good chance against the third best heavyweight in the world. I am not denying a lot of fighters get a title shot without beating a top guy, I'm just saying Harrison has done nothing to deserve a 40% chance at winning.

You say there is no way Audley should have lost to the likes of Guinn and Rogan, but he has never done anything to suggest that he is a level above these guys. Anyways, I am not trying to bash Audley, I want to see him win. I hope that I am very wrong about this, and he turns up and fights a great fight. I don’t think that will happen though.

[WelshDevil]

I see this fight lasting 3 rounds maximum. As soon as Haye lands a big shot it will all be over. This is a complete mismatch. The only appeal the fight has is seeing Audley sparked out brutally but do I want to listen to him witter on, delusionally about his dream of winning the title, for the next few months.

I wish Haye would fight him next week, get it over with and then fight a deserving opponent in November.

[markpacy]

Haye is being overrated. Harrison has the tools to beat him.

Harrison has a decent jab and has no problem stinking the joint out. He will jab jab jab. The left hand and uppercut can KO Haye. Haye seems to be employing a style involving much more movement these days and this could play into Harrisons hands. It's certainly not a mismatch.

[SteveDow]

This is a fight I really want to see given that the build up, press conferences and fight night atmosphere will be electric. As for the fight itself even though I'd like to think Audley will make it competitive I just can't see it. The big problem Audley has is mental, as other posters have said, and if you show Haye fear, like Maccarinelli, did then you really have no chance.

I actually think Audley's best chance is to make the fight a shoot out rather than try to outbox a guy who is much quicker and has a higher skill level. However, Audley has never fought this way and it is difficult to believe that he would do so here. For me this fight only ends by early stoppage either way.

[Lenny]

You say there is no way Audley should have lost to the likes of Guinn and Rogan, but he has never done anything to suggest that he is a level above these guys. Anyways, I am not trying to bash Audley, I want to see him win. I hope that I am very wrong about this, and he turns up and fights a great fight. I don’t think that will happen though.

I have to agree. Guinn, a fairly shot Danny Williams and Rogan are the best fighters Harrison has faced and they have all beaten him. How is above them? We have heard for years how Audley has all the tools but when has he showed them? A couple of glimpses of talent sure but then the other guy will through a punch and Audley goes into rabbit in the headlights mode.

You can say Haye only beat Monte Barrett to get his shot (well, apart from being unified cruiserweight world champion) but Audley hasn't got a win as good as that on his entire record. Ruiz is in my opinion a few levels above Harrison

[Syntax Error]

How many of you genuinely think Audley Harrison will beat David Haye?

Paul Foley is one of them. Any advances on Paul?

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2010/has-ha ... yes-number

Not a chance.

[daveyboy123]

Hi all,
we all know what should happen.....Haye should win easy, early and by KO or TKO. The thing that worries me is this will be Harrison's only shot at a world title and he will know it. Lose this one and that's it, a final nail in a disappointing and under achieving career. Now after saying that, I would give Harrison a chance of winning. He cannot afford to lose heart, he cannot afford to go into a shell during the fight. Any man pushed into a corner like that, and can punch like Harrison, has to have a good chance. I expect Harrison to box smart, but if even a small chance comes he will throw bombs. I think this is a terrible match up for Haye, its lose-lose. If he wins everyone will say "well what a predictable waste of time", if he loses its a long way back to any sort of credibility. This is a gift of a chance for Harrison, and I have a deep seated worry he could just upset the apple cart! I love boxing but I for one wont be paying to watch this fight, its the sort of match up that screams desperation and an inability of some boxers/promoters to find credible and deserving opposition. Haye/Booth will say its exciting and try and create spin around it because its taking a risk, but I think its a bad match up born out of badly timed business decisions. I hope Mr Haye shouts my mouth sometime soon with his words, not fists, when he explains the whole situation:-) I hope because I like what he has done for boxing, and to maintain his status he will have to have good reasons for his boxing business decisions of late.

Cheers

Dave

[Crease]

Even a non betting man would bet on a 95-5 fight!

Maybe you don't understand what non betting means.

[hitman_hatton1]

easy haye win.

i'd be surprised if harrison got thru 3 or 4 rds tbh.

it's a money fight for audley so course he wants it.

but he has zero chance of winning this.

[hitman_hatton1]

My point is that Harrison has never proved he is a world-class fighter (it will take a world class fighter to beat Haye) and when he fought someone close to that level (Guinn, who is a much lesser fighter than Haye) he lost by a wide margin. He also lost to three other fighters who are nowhere near Haye's level. That is why I'm mentioning those fights, because based off those performances I don't see why people are giving him such a good chance against the third best heavyweight in the world. I am not denying a lot of fighters get a title shot without beating a top guy, I'm just saying Harrison has done nothing to deserve a 40% chance at winning.

You say there is no way Audley should have lost to the likes of Guinn and Rogan, but he has never done anything to suggest that he is a level above these guys. Anyways, I am not trying to bash Audley, I want to see him win. I hope that I am very wrong about this, and he turns up and fights a great fight. I don’t think that will happen though.

you've gotta have a solid chin to even have a chance against haye.

haye is gonna land cos he's a fast puncher.

we've seen audley get hit before and completely go into his shell.

carlos is winding us up or he's deluded.

[Crease]

carlos is winding us up or he's deluded.

[oliverfennell]

What exactly is the hold-up to making this official? Does anyone know? Harrison for his part says he has accepted the terms and is just waiting for Haye to sign, so what is Haye's sticking point?