Margarito-Cintron

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 21 Apr 2005, 02:59

Can anyone tell me if it's going to be available in the UK? Whether telly, live, PPV, delayed or what not?

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 21 Apr 2005, 04:41

I wouldnt think so mate. That is the ESPN PPV I will have it sent from the US on Monday though

. I wonder would Channel 5 show it over in the UK at some later stage . Because you guys get some ESPN Friday Night Fights. Cant wait for the bill though
Cintron ud
Brock ud
Mosley tko 10

J · Post by J » 21 Apr 2005, 04:43

think echols vs ikeke is on five tonight.

seems they are getitng the delayed shows quicker than sky

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 21 Apr 2005, 06:30

I watched Ikeke on the same bill last time out as Hopkins, and was pretty impressed, doesn't seem to carry much of a dig, but he's very crafty indeed and at 6'4" surprisingly mobile and good on the inside.

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 24 Apr 2005, 04:59

Margarito KOs Cintron in 5, on his return to welterweight Sugar Shane Mosley scored a ten round unanimous decision over David Estrada and Calvin Brock defeated Jameel McCline by ten round unanimous decision

Gary_V · Post by **Gary_V** » 25 Apr 2005, 19:03

Reminded me of Vargas v. Tito. Too early, too soon with hindsight tho I expected a 12 rounder close decision I guess...

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 26 Apr 2005, 03:53

Mosley turns down Margarito!
An executive for a major television network today informed Top Rank that Sugar Shane Mosley has turned down a world title fight against WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margarito. Mosley, Top Rank was told, said he was not ready to take on Margarito who would be too tough of an opponent at this time. Top Rank CEO Bob Arum said Margarito is "far and away the best welterweight in the world and would meet anyone brave enough to fight - including Mosley, Zab Judah, Kostya Tszyu and Oscar De La Hoya."

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Apr 2005, 05:05

I think Mosley is being very sensible. He's harmed his career by jumping in against the top flight all the time. Forrest twice, Winky Twice, hasn't done him any favours. This is his last shot at the big time, and he would do well to give himself time to acclimatise. Margarito would rather fight him now then in a year's time when Mosley will probably have had a couple more fights.

Very sensible.

Gary_V · Post by **Gary_V** » 26 Apr 2005, 05:13

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I think Mosley is being very sensible. He's harmed his career by jumping in against the top flight all the time. Forrest twice, Winky Twice, hasn't done him any favours. This is his last shot at the big time, and he would do well to give himself time to acclimatise. Margarito would rather fight him now then in a year's time when Mosley will probably have had a couple more fights.

Very sensible.

Yeh I agree, Mosley can never be accused of ducking a challenge in the past- Forrest and Wright....(mind you Judah has been mouthingoff that Mosley avoided him....I jut think Mosley saw the big bucks DLH could offer)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Apr 2005, 05:23

Well, DLH's hardly a soft touch eh? It's not like Judah called him out and Mosley went and fought Jaimie Rangel.

Judah v Mosley would be a cracking fight at Welterweight.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 Apr 2005, 05:46

On the other hand he's 33 does he really have that much time left to work his way back up? He's obviously slowing down how long does he really have left?

A year or two at the most surely.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Apr 2005, 05:50

Just reinforces my point though. If he fucks up now

Mosley has made a balls-up of his career in my opinion, he's made some very poor decisions. He totally bypassed what I reckon would have been his best division, Jr Welter, chasing after Oscar, I think he would have battered everyone at Jr Welter except maybe Tszyu, and then he could have gone on to Welterweight as a huge star. Instead he went chasing Oscar, got battered by Forrest

Truth is, even at Welter, he's a small fighter, Forrest was HUGE by comparison.

Which reminds me, what the fornicate happened to Forrest, wasn't he meant to be moving up to LM? I reckon he would beat Winky myself.

Gary_V · Post by **Gary_V** » 26 Apr 2005, 06:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Just reinforces my point though. If he fucks up now

Mosley has made a balls-up of his career in my opinion, he's made some very poor decisions. He totally bypassed what I reckon would have been his best division, Jr Welter, chasing after Oscar, I think he would have battered everyone at Jr Welter except maybe Tszyu, and then he could have gone on to Welterweight as a huge star. Instead he went chasing Oscar, got battered by Forrest

Truth is, even at Welter, he's a small fighter, Forrest was HUGE by comparison.

Which reminds me, what the fornicate happened to Forrest, wasn't he meant to be moving up to LM? I reckon he would beat Winky myself.

Forrest is injured, think may be back problem or something...I think itll take a long time for him to come back to where he was, if he indeed he can...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Apr 2005, 07:09

Shame, he was a natural Light Middle, and he had some serious pop on him too, weird what happened to him against Mayorga, cannot work out how he allowed Mayorga to overrun him like that, did a lot better in rematch, but perhaps the guy was just his bogeyman.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 26 Apr 2005, 10:10

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Shame, he was a natural Light Middle, and he had some serious pop on him too, weird what happened to him against Mayorga, cannot work out how he allowed Mayorga to overrun him like that, did a lot better in rematch, but perhaps the guy was just his bogeyman.

Bogeymen - fighters who lost more than once to lesser men

Barrera - Junior jones
Hearns - Barkley
Forrest - Mayorga
Tiozzo - Hill (hill the better man overall, but no way should he have won the rematch)
Norton - Ali (despite what the records say Norton beat Ali atleast twice)

any others???

J · Post by J » 26 Apr 2005, 10:21

eubank/benn v collins.

pep v sadler (debatable i suppose but not for me)

some would say tunney dempsey.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 26 Apr 2005, 10:46

Yep, nobody else came close to doing that Sandy did to a prime Willy Pep.

J · Post by J » 26 Apr 2005, 10:49

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yep, nobody else came close to doing that Sandy did to a prime Willy Pep.

it was post crash so he wasnt prime as such.

(sorry ot be picky but pep was 127-1 and going into his his first meeting with Saddler) so one can safely assume he was ain his prime priopr to the plane crash.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 26 Apr 2005, 11:22

knockout wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Shame, he was a natural Light Middle, and he had some serious pop on him too, weird what happened to him against Mayorga, cannot work out how he allowed Mayorga to overrun him like that, did a lot better in rematch, but perhaps the guy was just his bogeyman.
Bogeymen - fighters who lost more than once to lesser men

Barrera - Junior jones
Hearns - Barkley
Forrest - Mayorga
Tiozzo - Hill (hill the better man overall, but no way should he have won the rematch)
Norton - Ali (despite what the records say Norton beat Ali atleast twice)

any others???

Saoul Mamby - Victor Ortiz
Saoul Mamby - Chris Fernandez
Terry Norris - Luis Santana (bad habits pay hard)
James Toney - Montell Griffin
Larry Holmes - Michael Spinks
Roberto Duran - Hector Camacho
Roberto Duran - Ray Leonard(!)
Roberto Duran - Vinny Pazienza
Antonio Cervantes - Cipriano Zuluaga

J · Post by J » 26 Apr 2005, 11:25

ray lenoard "lesser" than duran ?
tough call but i wouldnt say at the weights at which they fought.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 26 Apr 2005, 11:35

J wrote:ray lenoard "lesser" than duran ?
tough call but i wouldnt say at the weights at which they fought.

Yeah, I mean overall. 'No mas' was well dodgy though, as was Leonard's Benitez win. Heard some dodgy stories about both.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 28 Apr 2005, 03:14

Did anyone watch it last night on channel 5 the ppv ESPN show? i only saw brock - mcline.