1971-02-12: Ken Buchanan vs. Ruben Navarro

[Emaster]

The Buchanan vs. Navarro fight is not marked as a WBC lightweight title fight any more.

According to the explanation on the Carrasco vs. Ramos fight held on November 5, 1971, Ken Buchanan was WBC lightweight titlist though.

Moreover, unless either Buchanan or his opponent, Ruben Navarro, had been declared champion prior to their bout on February 12, 1971, the WBC lightweight title, if it was really at stake, had been vacant before the fight as Buchanan's predecessor, Ismael Laguna, had abandoned it.

[delisa]

Laguna was suspended by the California commission following the June 1970 bout against Guts Ishimatsu. (Ny stated it would uphold the California suspension).

California suspended Laguna for failing to make his first defense a rematch against Ramos. California complained to the WBC, which then declared that Laguna had 60 days to defend agaisnt the winner of the scheduled June 25 bout between Mando and Sugar Ramos (a bout postponed then held in August.)

Failing to sign for the winner of Ramos-Ramos, the WBC then stripped Laguna on Sep 17, prior to his Sep bout against Buchanon. BTW the BBOC directed Kenny not to go through with the bout but he ignored them.

[Emaster]

Laguna was suspended by the California commission following the June 1970 bout against Guts Ishimatsu. (Ny stated it would uphold the California suspension).

California suspended Laguna for failing to make his first defense a rematch against Ramos. California complained to the WBC, which then declared that Laguna had 60 days to defend agaisnt the winner of the scheduled June 25 bout between Mando and Sugar Ramos (a bout postponed then held in August.)

Failing to sign for the winner of Ramos-Ramos, the WBC then stripped Laguna on Sep 17, prior to his Sep bout against Buchanon. BTW the BBOC directed Kenny not to go through with the bout but he ignored them.

Are you sure Laguna was stripped on September 17, 1970? In the encyclopaedia the 26th is stated as the date Laguna lost his title (the very same day he fought Buchanan). Furthermore, the encyclopaedia says Laguna vacated the title instead of his being stripped of it.

[delisa]

I have a newspaper article saying he was stripped by WBC -- date of article is Sep 17, so he was definitely stripped then, not the day of the Laguna bout.

[Emaster]

I have a newspaper article saying he was stripped by WBC -- date of article is Sep 17, so he was definitely stripped then, not the day of the Laguna bout.

I'll correct the encyclopaedia accordingly. (If the date the article was written is the 17th, Laguna might have been stripped even earlier though.)

[Emaster]

The lineage on the official WBC page (Click on "Ratings") says that Ken Buchanan has never been the WBC lightweight champion. Thus, only the WBA lightweight title can have been at stake in his fight with Ruben Navarro, which was held on February 12, 1971.

Hence, the explanation to the fight held on November 5, 1971, which reads "[The WBC] Title had been stripped from Ken Buchanan" should be replaced by: "Title had been stripped from Ismael Laguna."

[delisa]

Correct -- WBC title stripped from laguna, then Ramos and Carasco fought for vacant WBC belt.

[Emaster]

This thread's issue has actually been solved but this article states that "Buchanan added the WBC crown to his collection by battering Mexicos' Ruben Navarro before a frenzied Los Angeles crowd." That's interesting because BoxRec once registered that bout as a WBC lightweight title fight as this thread shows.

Has Buchanan really not won the (vacant?) WBC lightweight title against Navarro with Buchanan being stripped of it sometime before it was at stake in the Ramos vs. Carrasco bout held in November 1971?

[susano7]

The WBC stripped Buchanan on June 25, 1971.
It was from Feb 12, 1971 to June 25, 1971 that Buchanan was the WBC champion.

1970-11-16:The WBC have ratified the proposed Buchanan against Mando Ramos. The contest was approved by the WBC. Buchanan's title was recognized only by the WBA and the New York State Athletic Commision. -Reuter. From The Times, November 17, 1970 issue page 14.
1971-2-10:Ramos's promoter, Aileen Eaton, decided to substitute Ruben Navarro, the 3rd ranked contender, for Mando Ramos. From The Times, February 11, 1971 issue page 10.
1971-2-12:Buchanan defeated Navarro.
1971-6-25:The WBC have withdrawn their recognition of Ken Buchanan as world lightweight champion. -AP. From The Times, June 26, 1971 issue page 11.

"Buchanan vs. Navarro" was the WBA/vacant WBC championship bout.
Please revise Encyclopaedia.

[Emaster]

"Buchanan vs. Navarro" was the WBC/WBA championship bout.

That's what the database originally showed. But then the WBC title tag was removed from the Buchanan vs. Navarro fight, which the editor delisa

Correct -- WBC title stripped from laguna, then Ramos and Carasco fought for vacant WBC belt.

and the lineage [which had once been displayed] on the official WBC page confirm.

Now sources have been provided which second that the WBC title was indeed at stake:

The WBC stripped Buchanan on June 25, 1971.
It was from Feb 12, 1971 to June 25, 1971 that Buchanan was the WBC champion.

1970-11-16:The WBC have ratified the proposed Buchanan against Mando Ramos. The contest was approved by the WBC. Buchanan's title was recognized only by the WBA and the New York State Athletic Commision. -Reuter.
1971-2-10:Ramos's promoter, Aileen Eaton, decided to substitute Ruben Navarro(the WBC 3rd contender) for Mando Ramos. -The (London) Times.
1971-2-12:Buchanan defeated Navarro.
1971-6-25:The WBC have withdrawn their recognition of Ken Buchanan as world lightweight champion. -AP.

[T]his article states that "Buchanan added the WBC crown to his collection by battering Mexicos' Ruben Navarro before a frenzied Los Angeles crowd."

Moreover, the original comment on the fight read: "Buchanan forfeited the WBC version of his title in June 1971 after a contractual dispute." Also, the original comment on the Ramos vs. Carrasco fight, which was entered by delisa, first read and reads again, "Title had been stripped from Ken Buchanan," suggesting that Buchanan was Laguna's successor and Carrasco's predecessor as the WBC lightweight titlist.

[susano7]

The Buchanan vs. Navarro fight is the WBA world lightweight title and the vacant WBC lightweight title fight.
Boxrec Record's Editor must correct it.

[claudevsq]

[susano7]

Thank you for Mr. claudevsq.

[susano7]

Purposely, there is an editor who is erasing "vacant WBC lightweight title" from the Buchanan vs. Navarro fight.
It only has to write the opinion here if there is a rebuttal about the fact.
Do not conceal the fact that is actually.

[claudevsq]

Well, if I would insert it again, somebody would take it off again... Sorry!

[susano7]

The editor who erased "vacant WBC lightweight title" is not yet writing the insistence. It was excessively deleted, and revive the deleted sentence, please.

[claudevsq]

[susano7]

Please correct as follows.
~ vacant WBC lightweight title ~
~ WBA World lightweight title ~
Buchanan was stripped of his WBC title on June 25, 1971, for he chose to defend against Ismael Laguna instead of Pedro Carrasco.

[claudevsq]

Listen, I put it in, but somebody deleted it again. Sorry!