Haye v Harrison Nov 13th It's ON

[JamesH]

I agree it's lose-lose for Haye from a boxing perspective, in my opinion the only thing that would prevent criticism is an early ko. Of course whatever happens, it's win-win for them both financially.

[mickey1975]

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[Berrevoets24]

One word for both men. JOKE

[Lenny]

You should have started a new thread with this new information, oh you already did

[oliverfennell]

Nobody's mentioned that Audley was losing against Sprott yet.

[MacTavish]

[Dioufy]

Nobody's mentioned that Audley was losing against Sprott yet.

Don't act the idiot, mate - it doesn't suit you. I was trying to put across that Harrison struggled against Sprott when he was fit, and when he wasn't. I also question the nature of some of his wins, where he has struggled against smaller men who, at best, are British-level.

[MacTavish]

What should his trunks and robe be? Colours, messaging etc..

[deadpan]

Brown trunks is probably the safest bet. With Tena Lady sewn in.

[McCannW14]

Manchester for two Londoners. Bollocks to that

[Asterix]

Brown trunks is probably the safest bet. With Tena Lady sewn in.

That's was brilliant, deadpan.

Don't both Haye and Harrison usually go for the Union Jack style?

Edit: Just checked and Audley went with the St. George's cross for the last fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP3Q3E9aGVo

[Roars Like Me]

Brown trunks is probably the safest bet. With Tena Lady sewn in.

Superb ol' bean

[Grilling Machine]

It won't be a 1st round KO. Haye will stalk Harrison for the first round without throwing a meaningful shot. Against Ruiz it was different. He came forward, Audley will not. So I will be putting a fair lick of cash on a Haye KO2. It will probably be scarily similar to the Enzo Macc fight.

IMO.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I think Haye will be circumspect early doors - that left hand really is devastating, but by round two he should be rising in confidence and timing the slower Harrison. One point of interest is that Harrison throws that shot 'down the pipe, John', while Haye tends to inswing. So there may be an opening there for the counter, but I can only see Harrison landing it by luck, if I'm honest.

Favourite quote so far - Haye: 'What, your concussive jab?'

On heights, does anyone think Audley's wearing lifts for intimidation? I've never bought 6'3" for Haye, either. I'd guess between 6'1" and 6'2". Has anyone here stood next to him when he had casual shoes on?

[Asterix]

On heights, does anyone think Audley's wearing lifts for intimidation? I've never bought 6'3" for Haye, either. I'd guess between 6'1" and 6'2". Has anyone here stood next to him when he had casual shoes on?

Gizmo made a very good post about this just a bit earlier in a topic in the Current Scene: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 9#p2583999

Based on that picture Harrison must be taller than 6'4.5. That's a big height difference. Looks like 4-5 inches.

Harrison is about 6' 5.5" -- going off what someone said in the British forum who has met him. They're wearing shoes there, so the height difference is likely to be misleading. I'd imagine Audley has suit shoes with more height than Haye's trainers.

As Asterix says, that picture doesn't reflect the correct size difference between the two. I can confirm that Audley was wearing shoes with higher heels than the flat trainers that Haye was wearing. Some have even said that it was a deliberate ploy to make Haye look so much smaller the Audley in order to sell the fight better. Some people will give Audley a slightly better chance after seeing that picture and thinking that there will be a huge size difference. Therefore, it could be considered more competitive! BTW boxrec lists the difference in height as only 3cm (just over 1 inch) which I don't think is accurate. The difference is actually between 2 and 2.5 inches. I for one definitely believe Audley has a better chance of beating Haye than a shot Ruiz. Maybe it really is Audley's destiny to become HW Champ; we will find out in November.

[forcefraser]

One word for both men. JOKE

I`ll tell you what is a joke. Most of the rubbish that has flown over to Germany recently to fight for a form of the heavyweight title.

At least for the Brits this fight is going to get the adrenalin pumping and will be genuinely looked forward too (mainly due to it`s car crash appeal)

[exittored]

On heights, does anyone think Audley's wearing lifts for intimidation? I've never bought 6'3" for Haye, either. I'd guess between 6'1" and 6'2". Has anyone here stood next to him when he had casual shoes on?

Gizmo made a very good post about this just a bit earlier in a topic in the Current Scene: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 9#p2583999

Harrison is about 6' 5.5" -- going off what someone said in the British forum who has met him. They're wearing shoes there, so the height difference is likely to be misleading. I'd imagine Audley has suit shoes with more height than Haye's trainers.

As Asterix says, that picture doesn't reflect the correct size difference between the two. I can confirm that Audley was wearing shoes with higher heels than the flat trainers that Haye was wearing. Some have even said that it was a deliberate ploy to make Haye look so much smaller the Audley in order to sell the fight better. Some people will give Audley a slightly better chance after seeing that picture and thinking that there will be a huge size difference. Therefore, it could be considered more competitive! BTW boxrec lists the difference in height as only 3cm (just over 1 inch) which I don't think is accurate. The difference is actually between 2 and 2.5 inches. I for one definitely believe Audley has a better chance of beating Haye than a shot Ruiz. Maybe it really is Audley's destiny to become HW Champ; we will find out in November.

I think Audley is a legit 6ft 5inches tall or maybe just a shade under wheras Haye in person always struck me more like a 6ft 1in guy, maybe 6ft 1.5in but no more so there's at least 3 inches difference between the two.

Audley has got them Pigeon legs though same as Amir Khan did at Lightweight...every boxer with iron chins always seemed to have Treetrunk like legs, here's an example of both

[Grilling Machine]

The marketing angle makes perfect sense. I still don't think Haye's the full coupon, though.

I'd rather have my height undersold, like Holyfield.

[exittored]

Audley has everything you'd want from a modern heavyweight in size, power, speed, skills and technique but lacked the most vital essential of all which is Heart

3 of his 4 defeats were down to lacking heart, he should have easily beaten Williams first time, Dominick Guinn and Martin Rogan...even his KO loss to Sprott was a fight he started out dominating then going into his shell after getting caught a few times.

His KO Win to Sprott was all heart though and if he's finally got some of that which makes true champions then he has a very good chance of beating Haye and making it look easy too.

[earsjohn]

While this may not be the best match up in the history of Heavyweight boxing, it's certainly not the worst.

A couple of things worth considering:

The fights everyone wants to see are Haye v Wlad or Vit. For whathever reason, they are not going to happen in the immediate future. Outside of these two, Adamek is probably the most attractive, but he'll probably not fight in at least 5 months. The rest of the Heavyweight division might provide a challenge, but there is no one boxer that is significantly head and shoulders above Audley.

Apart from fighting the Klits, Haye v A N Other heavyweight simply wouldn't capture the public imagination. Haye v Audley does. Audley is known to casual fans and there is genuine needle which will be used to hype and generate a lot of interest in the fight. When you compare this with Vit v Briggs or Wlad v Peter, is Haye really shortchanging us?

Haye has only fought 4 times at Heavyweight and whatever his limitations, Audley is a genuine heavy rather than a blown up cruiser/light heavy. In much the same way as Valuev, his sheer size advantage presents a problem to Haye.

Audley is a lefty - I can't remember the last southpaw Haye fought. Again, something different to add a bit risk.

Audleys previously missing heart that finally showed itself against Sprott. Many of Audleys criticisms have been of the "He has the tools, but rarely uses them, prefering a safety first approach". Maybe the injured shoulder and the risks it forced him to take will have a deeper effect on his future fights.

It's not "the" fight I want to see, but it's "a" fight i'm happy to watch.

[yiddo14]

Earsjohn, I understand all that. My issue is when you compare Aud with Peter and Briggs.

I agree that the the other two are hardly inspiring opponents BUT they would both beat Aud, comfortably too, along with plenty if other available Heavyweights right now.

People need to stop kidding themselves that quality wise and in terms of standing and achievement that Aud is on the same level as the likes of Peter, Chagaev and co. Beating Sprott, even with one hand does not elevate him to the level of these other potential challengers

[earsjohn]

Earsjohn, I understand all that. My issue is when you compare Aud with Peter and Briggs.

I agree that the the other two are hardly inspiring opponents BUT they would both beat Aud, comfortably too, along with plenty if other available Heavyweights right now.

People need to stop kidding themselves that quality wise and in terms of standing and achievement that Aud is on the same level as the likes of Peter, Chagaev and co. Beating Sprott, even with one hand does not elevate him to the level of these other potential challengers

I'm not so sure they would both comfotably beat him though. In their primes, it would have been no contest, but both Peter and Briggs are so far beyond their best years. Audley could easily jab Peter to distraction, and a saftey first approach that he favours would keep him out of any trouble Briggs could possibly muster nowadays.

The way I see the Heavies at the moment is that you have the Klits at one level, Haye next level, then Adamek, Valuev and Chagaev (at a push given their recent form). Beyond these guys, no-one is inspiring or has done anything to mark them as worthy challengers - all the supposed US hopes have come seriously unstuck at the top level, povetkin and dimitrenko are happy to tread water, there are a whole host of guys sticking around who are 5-10 years past their primes (which weren't even that Prime) such as Peter and Briggs. Audley may be no Lennox, but he's as valid an opponent as anyone bar the Klits and Adamek.

[yiddo14]

He really isn't.

He has beaten nobody of note on the world scene. He hasn't even beaten a washed up ex-top level guy.

Peter and Briggs would both beat him by some distance. Audley has never jabbed anyone to distraction let alone someone as seasoned as Peter who has fought some top names.
The man got comfortably beaten by Dominic Guinn when Audley was arguably in his prime! There are at least 15 Heavyweights out there that would beat him hands down and probably another 15 that would give him a 50-50 fight at the very least.
You mention Povetkin, you honestly think Audley beats Povetkin or even comes close to beating him? If they fought it would be a shut out decision in favour of Povetkin, it wouldn't even be close.

This fight is taking place purely because of moolah, that I understand but I cannot understand people who try to lump Harrison in with the likes of Povetkin, Peter, Chambers, Chagaev etc...these guys have actually beaten top 15 guys themselves and would be more deserving. Audley has never proved to be on that level.
Has Audley ever beaten a top 30 guy even? It's debatable.

I can accept the fight taking place but lets not start ranking Aud higher than he should be. He is on a similar level, if not the same level as the man he beat last time out and people would laugh themselves silly if Sprott got a world title shot or people started talking about him in the same breath as the other challengers mentioned above.

[earsjohn]

He really isn't.

He has beaten nobody of note on the world scene. He hasn't even beaten a washed up ex-top level guy.

Peter and Briggs would both beat him by some distance. Audley has never jabbed anyone to distraction let alone someone as seasoned as Peter who has fought some top names.
The man got comfortably beaten by Dominic Guinn when Audley was arguably in his prime! There are at least 15 Heavyweights out there that would beat him hands down and probably another 15 that would give him a 50-50 fight at the very least.
You mention Povetkin, you honestly think Audley beats Povetkin or even comes close to beating him? If they fought it would be a shut out decision in favour of Povetkin, it wouldn't even be close.

This fight is taking place purely because of moolah, that I understand but I cannot understand people who try to lump Harrison in with the likes of Povetkin, Peter, Chambers, Chagaev etc...these guys have actually beaten top 15 guys themselves and would be more deserving. Audley has never proved to be on that level.
Has Audley ever beaten a top 30 guy even? It's debatable.

I can accept the fight taking place but lets not start ranking Aud higher than he should be. He is on a similar level, if not the same level as the man he beat last time out and people would laugh themselves silly if Sprott got a world title shot or people started talking about him in the same breath as the other challengers mentioned above.

I think on his best day, audley would be a match for anyone outside the top 4-5 I mentioned, even Povetkin (povetkin is good, has nice skills but is not exceptional and will be beaten as soon as he steps up). I have seen nothing in any of those guys that makes them significantly more worthy than Audley. The key word there is "significantly". Audley is rightly ranked below everyone, but the 5-50 ranked fighters at HW are much of a muchness. To support this, I would argue that the least credible of Vitalis recent punch bags (Sosnowski) was the one that gave him the toughest fight.

I'm not for one second pretending that Audley has the beating of them, but he is a barely credible challenger in a division made up of barely credible fighters.

The point I was trying to make earlier was that this fight is more interesting to more people than every other potential fight out there (except Klits and Adamek).

That you mention Eddie Chambers is interesting. He may have beaten some worthy names and earned his title shot, but as soon as he got in the ring he was a joke. At least with Audley v Haye we have genuine needle in the build up and if Audley does a Chambers, at least Haye will go looking to get him out of there straight away.

It's not ideal, but as i said at the beginning, there are a lot worse things happening in Boxing that go by unremarked on.

[Hagler2002]

Audley's world title eliminators against Coleman Barret & heavyweight journeyman Michael Sprott shouldn't be taken lightly!

[oliverfennell]

Nobody's mentioned that Audley was losing against Sprott yet.

Don't act the idiot, mate - it doesn't suit you. I was trying to put across that Harrison struggled against Sprott when he was fit, and when he wasn't. I also question the nature of some of his wins, where he has struggled against smaller men who, at best, are British-level.

That was actually from a different thread which got merged into this one. We were a good two or three posts in and nobody had mentioned it yet. It wasn't directed at you alone - it was directed at the myriad others who keep banging on with the same line.

As for the fit/injured Audley - he dominated the first two rounds of the first fight before the KO, and then he dominated the first two rounds of the rematch before his arm went.

There are no excuses for the loss. He could have put Sprott away in the first fight but he inexcusably let a beaten man back into the fight, with disastrous results. It's entirely his own fault and I make no excuses for him. But it's just clear to me that the "fit" Audley did not struggle with Sprott in either fight - one fateful punch aside.