mayweather or naz in there primes?

[stoppageking]

i was chatting to a friend of mine about prince naseem in his prime against kevin kelly and got on to the discussion of who would of one between these two! my mate thinks naz but i think prob mayweather but i also wouldnt right off naz in a win over 'money' ,he was awsome in his day and if he had fought on and had more heart after his loss to barrera i think he could of been one of the greats what does everyone else think ?

[chucktaylor]

Naz left himself open a lot, I think Mayweather would pick him apart. Hamed's tactics would work because he was able to shock most of his opponents with speed, power, and unpredictability, but Mayweather is even faster and very level headed in the ring. I'm not sure if Naz would be stopped though, he seemed to have a pretty good chin, but I think Mayweather would take a wide UD.

[Jaywheel]

I assume the fight takes place at 126lbs?

[Adamj1987]

I assume the fight takes place at 126lbs?

gonna have to be SF because mayweather would never make FW

[gizmo1]

Naz was definitely the more exciting fighter but I don't think he would have stood much of a chance against Floyd. On top of the difference in skill and defence technique Hamed was just too small at at about 5 foot 3. Floyd would've had a huge size and massive reach advantages. Not a very good match up IMO and this is coming form a great Hamed fan who spent time in the ring with him when he was an am.

[Jaywheel]

I assume the fight takes place at 126lbs?

gonna have to be SF because mayweather would never make FW

The OP had no problem pitting Duran against LaMotta at 147lbs... I see my question as a valid one.

[stoppageking]

I assume the fight takes place at 126lbs?

[stoppageking]

Naz was definitely the more exciting fighter but I don't think he would have stood much of a chance against Floyd. On top of the difference in skill and defence technique Hamed was just too small at at about 5 foot 3. Floyd would've had a huge size and massive reach advantages. Not a very good match up IMO and this is coming form a great Hamed fan who spent time in the ring with him when he was an am.

well im just meaning if they fought and they were the same weight and size,

[Diamond WEAPON]

Naz was definitely the more exciting fighter but I don't think he would have stood much of a chance against Floyd. On top of the difference in skill and defence technique Hamed was just too small at at about 5 foot 3. Floyd would've had a huge size and massive reach advantages. Not a very good match up IMO and this is coming form a great Hamed fan who spent time in the ring with him when he was an am.

well im just meaning if they fought and they were the same weight and size,

That makes no sense. Hamed wouldn't be the same guy if he was 5'8" like Floyd. It's like asking what Tyson would be like if he were 6'5".

Anyway this fight was talked about for 130 lbs. just before Naz' loss to Barrera. Considering what happened there I think it's pretty safe to say that Floyd dismantles Hamed. He was able to do so against other flawed punchers like Corrales and Gatti who were bigger than Hamed so it's pretty safe to say that he'd be able to not only potshot but also unload some good long-range combos like what he used to throw at 130 frequently because Naseem would really have to sell out to get in range and would be open the entire time. I wouldn't rule out a stoppage in around 9 given how easily Floyd would probably be hitting Naz and the fact that Hamed isn't really a shell-up and survive type.

[gizmo1]

I very rarely agree with DW on Mayweather but he has it about right. I would probably go for a comfortable UD rather than a stoppage though. Hamed had excellent stamina, super reflexes, quick recovery and a very good chin (his thick legs played a part in this). A really pointless match up with the size differences though, a massive 8 inches in reach FFS!

[Diamond WEAPON]

I very rarely agree with DW on Mayweather but he has it about right. I would probably go for a comfortable UD rather than a stoppage though. Hamed had excellent stamina, super reflexes, quick recovery and a very good chin (I think his thick legs played a part in this). A really pointless match up with the size differences though, a massive 8 inches in reach FFS!

Yeah, Hamed had a bit of that Whitaker/Pep thing going where he'd contort his body to avoid punches, but at the top level he wasn't quick enough with his movement and would wind up getting hit even somewhat clean but rolling with the shot.

[gizmo1]

I very rarely agree with DW on Mayweather but he has it about right. I would probably go for a comfortable UD rather than a stoppage though. Hamed had excellent stamina, super reflexes, quick recovery and a very good chin (I think his thick legs played a part in this). A really pointless match up with the size differences though, a massive 8 inches in reach FFS!

Yeah, Hamed had a bit of that Whitaker/Pep thing going where he'd contort his body to avoid punches, but at the top level he wasn't quick enough with his movement and would wind up getting hit even somewhat clean but rolling with the shot.

Gotta agree. One thing they both have in common is they both like talking a lot of sh*t. I mean Hamed made some really stupid (and sometimes racist) comments during his time and the same can be said for Floyd. I remember Hamed calling Tom Johnson an 'eight ball' at the weigh in when fighting for the IBF Featherweight title. I thought it was childish and unnecessary at the time and he was told that. It would be more of a contest if they both had a slagging match rather than a fight I would think. However, I think Floyd would take that also with a late-ish KO. The current Hamed would definitely beat the current Floyd though (albeit in a sumo contest).

[Diamond WEAPON]

It's always fun when the two fighters talk crap back-and-forth in kind, it just makes it more interesting. I loved the Mayorga-Vargas bout for that very reason, and of course one need not mention Barrera-Morales... Erik still doesn't like his ass, and when recently asked who the toughest fighter he ever fought was he denied it was either Marco or Pacquiao, and when somebody brought up Barrera he replied "Nah, fornicate him!"

[BoxBuzz]

fiber/fibre which is it again? When stoppage is this issue, one of those is a sure fire remedy!

[Lackeos]

It'd be a fairly awkward match-up, since both fighters would be making such an effort to avoid each others' punches, there would be little chance of landing many. I was almost tempted to say that Hamed's fight with Barrera reveals that he isn't in Mayweather's class. But styles do make fights, and I think Barrera's aggressive attack gave Hamed troubles in a way that Mayweather couldn't duplicate. I suspect that Mayweather may win for the simple fact that I would expect him to take the fight more seriously and I would expect Hamed to take the fight less seriously, fight sloppily, and make more mistakes - in a way reminiscent of Hamed - Barrera.

[Diamond WEAPON]

It'd be a fairly awkward match-up, since both fighters would be making such an effort to avoid each others' punches, there would be little chance of landing many. I was almost tempted to say that Hamed's fight with Barrera reveals that he isn't in Mayweather's class. But styles do make fights, and I think Barrera's aggressive attack gave Hamed troubles in a way that Mayweather couldn't duplicate. I suspect that Mayweather may win for the simple fact that I would expect him to take the fight more seriously and I would expect Hamed to take the fight less seriously, fight sloppily, and make more mistakes - in a way reminiscent of Hamed - Barrera.

Floyd was more aggressive in his younger days. He'd move in and out with combinations more often than he does now.

[Carbo]

Mayweather would easily win this, I think.

Too big, too fast, too well schooled for Naz.

Much as I loathe Floyd, there's no getting around the fact he was an is an amazing fighter.

I think people would be shocked by the size difference between the two. Naz never had to boil down to make 126. You can tell when he fought there that he was never really lean or cut. There was definitely four pounds that could have come off to make 122. He only moved up to fight Steve Robinson for the WBO because it made big money in the UK and the super bantams were both killers and making life difficult in terms of making a fight with Hamed.

Mayweather, on the other hand really had to boil down to make 130. It was killing him. Remember, he didn't look small against Jose Luis Castillo in his first fight at 135, and Castillo was considered a huge lightweight.

That size difference would be fine if Mayweather was a light puncher or slower than Hamed or had a poor defence that would allow Hamed's power to find Floyd's chin. But none of these things is true.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Mayweather would easily win this, I think.

Too big, too fast, too well schooled for Naz.

Much as I loathe Floyd, there's no getting around the fact he was an is an amazing fighter.

I think people would be shocked by the size difference between the two. Naz never had to boil down to make 126. You can tell when he fought there that he was never really lean or cut. There was definitely four pounds that could have come off to make 122. He only moved up to fight Steve Robinson for the WBO because it made big money in the UK and the super bantams were both killers and making life difficult in terms of making a fight with Hamed.

Mayweather, on the other hand really had to boil down to make 130. It was killing him. Remember, he didn't look small against Jose Luis Castillo in his first fight at 135, and Castillo was considered a huge lightweight.

That size difference would be fine if Mayweather was a light puncher or slower than Hamed or had a poor defence that would allow Hamed's power to find Floyd's chin. But none of these things is true.

Myweather wasn't boiling down that much to make 130, he never entered the ring over 138 when he was at Super Feather, and he only weighed about 138 in both fights compared with Castillo' approximately 147 in both bouts.

[Carbo]

Mayweather would easily win this, I think.

Too big, too fast, too well schooled for Naz.

Much as I loathe Floyd, there's no getting around the fact he was an is an amazing fighter.

I think people would be shocked by the size difference between the two. Naz never had to boil down to make 126. You can tell when he fought there that he was never really lean or cut. There was definitely four pounds that could have come off to make 122. He only moved up to fight Steve Robinson for the WBO because it made big money in the UK and the super bantams were both killers and making life difficult in terms of making a fight with Hamed.

Mayweather, on the other hand really had to boil down to make 130. It was killing him. Remember, he didn't look small against Jose Luis Castillo in his first fight at 135, and Castillo was considered a huge lightweight.

That size difference would be fine if Mayweather was a light puncher or slower than Hamed or had a poor defence that would allow Hamed's power to find Floyd's chin. But none of these things is true.

Myweather wasn't boiling down that much to make 130, he never entered the ring over 138 when he was at Super Feather, and he only weighed about 138 in both fights compared with Castillo' approximately 147 in both bouts.

I think you'll find that he really was struggling badly to make 130. I'd be interested to see proof of your weight numbers for the Castillo fights and his super featerweight on-the-night weight.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Mayweather would easily win this, I think.

Too big, too fast, too well schooled for Naz.

Much as I loathe Floyd, there's no getting around the fact he was an is an amazing fighter.

I think people would be shocked by the size difference between the two. Naz never had to boil down to make 126. You can tell when he fought there that he was never really lean or cut. There was definitely four pounds that could have come off to make 122. He only moved up to fight Steve Robinson for the WBO because it made big money in the UK and the super bantams were both killers and making life difficult in terms of making a fight with Hamed.

Mayweather, on the other hand really had to boil down to make 130. It was killing him. Remember, he didn't look small against Jose Luis Castillo in his first fight at 135, and Castillo was considered a huge lightweight.

That size difference would be fine if Mayweather was a light puncher or slower than Hamed or had a poor defence that would allow Hamed's power to find Floyd's chin. But none of these things is true.

Myweather wasn't boiling down that much to make 130, he never entered the ring over 138 when he was at Super Feather, and he only weighed about 138 in both fights compared with Castillo' approximately 147 in both bouts.

I think you'll find that he really was struggling badly to make 130. I'd be interested to see proof of your weight numbers for the Castillo fights and his super featerweight on-the-night weight.

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