Early Stoppages and short changing.................

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Sick to death of the early stoppages. The dilks stoppage was a joke. He got hit with a few punches, but hardly anything that shook him. It was the first round for christ sake. Felt very short changed after that.

Then we had the Murat stoppage, ok it was the doctor who called it but the guy had fought his bollocks off for 9 rounds and then gets stopped. He was certainly still in with a chance at that stage (amazing chin and a solid fighter)

Then we get a Georgian guy who just gives up after 5 rounds. Short changed again.

The cleverly fight was brutal and the best of the night, I also likedt he Chisora fight.Old Del Boy is looking like a half decent heavyweight.

The irony is that the one fight that went on too long was the one that should have been stopped earlier. Poor old Enzo, he just doesn`t have it anymore. Very brutal ending to a fight where he was doing ok, but walked onto that oh so obvious left hook.
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Pisses me off those early stoppages. Would the ref have done it if Dilks was getting the better of DeGale? i think not.
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Dilks was stopped early but I would rather that than what happened to Enzo
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alexpaterson wrote:Dilks was stopped early but I would rather that than what happened to Enzo
Exactly.

Whilst I agree the stoppage was early in the Dilks/Degale fight - I feel the result was inevitable even though it was in the 1st round. Dilks was taking far too many shots.
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I thought it was clear after about 10 seconds of that fight Dilks was made for Degale. He was way to big and fast for him. Looked like Dilks was getting punished on the ropes when it was stopped. I've seen a lot worse stoppages than that but would of liked to seen it go longer. The worst stoppage for me was in the Frankie Gavin fight, The round finished and the ref waved it off without giving him time to recover.
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On the whole I honestly believe our referees in this country are outstanding in comparison to others in Europe.
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From memory, it was Howard Foster who stepped into save Dilks. He's usually pretty good, maybe he errs on the side of caution sometimes. I'd much prefer that than see something like Macca's eyes rolling around his head and having to be helped to his knees etc.

There was another Foster stoppage that came in for some criticism recently, what was it?
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english referees are a joke to be honest! if dilks put a combo on degale would the ref have stopped it? NO
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HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:english referees are a joke to be honest! if dilks put a combo on degale would the ref have stopped it? NO
Sour grapes and its pathetic - choose another sport pal because from reading your posts it seems you know very little about boxing.
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Spud wrote:
HomeOfBritishBoxing wrote:english referees are a joke to be honest! if dilks put a combo on degale would the ref have stopped it? NO
Sour grapes and its pathetic - choose another sport pal because from reading your posts it seems you know very little about boxing.
english referees are right up there with the best, but not all of them to be honest, i find shaun messers crap, so lets be honest here, we have some good-uns and some sh1te.

as for the rest of HOBB's comment, he is bang on the money, the fight was stopped far far too prematurely, slow moting confirmed that dilks was not shipping too much punishment, yes the fight was heading down a one way street but thats no reason to stop it in the first round is it? no way would degale have been stopped, dilks was not really staggered and was tucking up well.
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he sagged back onto the ropes but the follow up barrage ALL landed on his gloves and elbows, not one punch landed cleanly.
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Excellent stoppage by Howard Foster imo.
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Murat's corner wanted him out because he was way behind on all 3 cards and had taken a lot of punishment plus had injuries.
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Dilks did look early, but there were no real complaints from him when the ref stepped in.
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the original post is completeley ridiculous. It is not all about being short changed - what are you expecting? Gladiators in the Colliseum?
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orbtastic wrote:he sagged back onto the ropes but the follow up barrage ALL landed on his gloves and elbows, not one punch landed cleanly.
Agreed. No doubt DeGale would've won but the actual stoppage at that particular time was a joke.
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sg1985 wrote:
winkveron wrote:
orbtastic wrote:he sagged back onto the ropes but the follow up barrage ALL landed on his gloves and elbows, not one punch landed cleanly.
Agreed. No doubt DeGale would've won but the actual stoppage at that particular time was a joke.
He didn't put up much of a fight to the ref when he stopped it, found that surprising, nothing was really landing in that last flurry.
Reminded me of a couple of Calzaghe stoppages!
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winkveron wrote:
sg1985 wrote:
winkveron wrote: Agreed. No doubt DeGale would've won but the actual stoppage at that particular time was a joke.
He didn't put up much of a fight to the ref when he stopped it, found that surprising, nothing was really landing in that last flurry.
Reminded me of a couple of Calzaghe stoppages!
Yep far too soon, will be interesting to see what Carl has to say when he comes on here. I thought the stoppage was far too soon. Yes he struggled early on with the pace and celverness of DeGale but that was a lame stoppage if ever I've seen one.
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Brit Ryan wrote:the original post is completeley ridiculous. It is not all about being short changed - what are you expecting? Gladiators in the Colliseum?
so you think it was a fair stoppage??? when a fighter takes a few punches and isn't hurt :lol:
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TheCobra wrote:
winkveron wrote:
sg1985 wrote: He didn't put up much of a fight to the ref when he stopped it, found that surprising, nothing was really landing in that last flurry.
Reminded me of a couple of Calzaghe stoppages!
Yep far too soon, will be interesting to see what Carl has to say when he comes on here. I thought the stoppage was far too soon. Yes he struggled early on with the pace and celverness of DeGale but that was a lame stoppage if ever I've seen one.
Just seen Carl's response on the other thread.
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chris s wrote:Dilks did look early, but there were no real complaints from him when the ref stepped in.

Exactly, It's one thing saying it at press conefrences an weigh in's, It's another thing doing it under them bright lights....
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Brit Ryan wrote:the original post is completeley ridiculous. It is not all about being short changed - what are you expecting? Gladiators in the Colliseum?
I was expecting a fight, not a referee who stops it as soon as a few punches are landed. Look at the stoppage again, as I have. It was stopped far too soon.

Should Ricky Burns have been stopped when he was dropped against martinez? Should Nigel Benn have been stopped when knocked through the ropes against mcLellan? Judging by that stoppage of Dilks, yes they should.

Point is, it`s the first round and Dilks didn`t exactly ship clean punches.

I don`t want to see people badly hurt, far from it. I do however want to see a fight stopped on merit, not because someone has just taken a couple of shots.
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I thought the Dilks stoppage was early, but better that than a late stoppage like in the Maccarinelli fight. Dilks wasn't moving out of the way or providing any return fire, so I can understand why Howard Foster stopped it. With only 10 seconds left in the round, it's a shame, but Foster wasn't necessarily aware of that(?)
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as has already been mentioned, the final flurry from degale never even landed...not one punch. so how could foster base his stoppage on a fighter that tucks up nicely. what we are saying is that foster should have stopped the fight before the final flurry, as nothing landed on the final assault.
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