Trouble at Mag 7 ?

[TerribleTerry]

I think wazza has to keep putting shows on like this maybe 3/4 times a year but not in brum, been to many shows around the uk and twice been to brum and the air in the arena is not good you always have a feeling it is ready to go off and it has done now. not good

I know people have a downer on Brum as a fight venue following last night's incident; it is only to be expected, but lets not get this out of context.

Gavin's debut was on a huge show at the NIA in Brum City Centre not too long ago - that went off without a hitch and there was a really good atmosphere all night in the hall.

I have been to numerous MEN shows which have had a menacing atmosphere: gangs of salford lads coked up looking for bother.

I have seen pick pocket gangs at work in Cardiff along with outbreaks of violence in the arena and I have been to shows in Nottingham and seen fighting both inside and outside the arena. I have been to Amir Khan shows and felt the simmering racial tension in the crowd.

Modern large scale boxing shows in Britain are no place for women and children, unfortunately. I wouldn't dream of taking my wife or kids to one of these big shows.

This problem is far larger, and runs far deeper, than a simple dismissal of Birmingham as a fight town. Its the type of people who are buying the tickets and the level of security and policing that need to be addressed.

[TerribleTerry]

its just people who go to shows eg boxing ufc watch a bit of it and think they can bate the world

They get pissed and coked up, think they are ten men and want to show their mates what a 'handful' they are.

G0bshites, the lot of them.

[n1ebf]

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[TerribleTerry]

I think wazza has to keep putting shows on like this maybe 3/4 times a year but not in brum, been to many shows around the uk and twice been to brum and the air in the arena is not good you always have a feeling it is ready to go off and it has done now. not good

I know people have a downer on Brum as a fight venue following last night's incident; it is only to be expected, but lets not get this out of context.

Gavin's debut was on a huge show at the NIA in Brum City Centre not too long ago - that went off without a hitch and there was a really good atmosphere all night in the hall.

I have been to numerous MEN shows which have had a menacing atmosphere: gangs of salford lads coked up looking for bother.

I have seen pick pocket gangs at work in Cardiff along with outbreaks of violence in the arena and I have been to shows in Nottingham and seen fighting both inside and outside the arena. I have been to Amir Khan shows and felt the simmering racial tension in the crowd.

Modern large scale boxing shows in Britain are no place for women and children, unfortunately. I wouldn't dream of taking my wife or kids to one.

This problem is far larger and runs far deeper than a simple dismissal of Birmingham as a fight town. Its the type of people who are buying the tickets and the level of security and policing that need to be addressed.

Pick pocket gangs? What century did you see that show in?

It sounds dickensian doesn't it but it was definitely going on.

[n1ebf]

I think wazza has to keep putting shows on like this maybe 3/4 times a year but not in brum, been to many shows around the uk and twice been to brum and the air in the arena is not good you always have a feeling it is ready to go off and it has done now. not good

I know people have a downer on Brum as a fight venue following last night's incident; it is only to be expected, but lets not get this out of context.

Gavin's debut was on a huge show at the NIA in Brum City Centre not too long ago - that went off without a hitch and there was a really good atmosphere all night in the hall.

I have been to numerous MEN shows which have had a menacing atmosphere: gangs of salford lads coked up looking for bother.

I have seen pick pocket gangs at work in Cardiff along with outbreaks of violence in the arena and I have been to shows in Nottingham and seen fighting both inside and outside the arena. I have been to Amir Khan shows and felt the simmering racial tension in the crowd.

Modern large scale boxing shows in Britain are no place for women and children, unfortunately. I wouldn't dream of taking my wife or kids to one.

This problem is far larger and runs far deeper than a simple dismissal of Birmingham as a fight town. Its the type of people who are buying the tickets and the level of security and policing that need to be addressed.

Pick pocket gangs? What century did you see that show in?

[orbtastic]

haha

[Feargal....]

I couldn't see any police in the arena last night, they were all outside They needed police/riot police/soldiers in the fight arena. A ban on alcohol is also needed. I saw plenty of people paralytic drunk Why spend good money going to this event, just to end up hammered drunk? Go to a pub for that.

[SAPFO]

I had gone to Monster Jam @ NIA with the kids in the daytime, and then on to the boxing straight after. The contrast in the two atmospheres was amazing. Luckily, where I sat was ok (block 4), but it could of been worse has we opted for the cheaper seating where the trouble was.

The security knew nothing about the arena. Not one I spoke to knew where anything was. I also saw some Welsh pissing in the sink the mad fuckers.

[lefty]

It`s a British disease really. Total wankers.

I have been to huge boxing nights in Germany, small hall events in Sweden and Denmark, huge thai boxing nights in Bangkok and never once seen a sniff of trouble.

I`m English, buit moved abroad when I was 20 years old and it saddens me to see that some things never changed. Growing up near Leeds, it was all about where you come from, who you are suppossed to hate etc. Just utter bollocks really.

Maybe it`s something to do with being an island race or the fact that some people have just been brought up the wrong way, but the behaviour of some of these twats is totally unacceptable.

Brits abroad are worse, terrrible. Low life chave scum. It`s embarrassing.

Moved abroad at 20?!Damn thats young mate!

[nh1]

Amidst all the talk about boxing shows being no place to take partners... Well, my partner came along and it was a terrific show. This was in the posh seats, and there was no trouble in that section. However, there could have been. When Enzo got knocked out, 3 Frenkel fans (2 of them women), started clapping and celebrating. Those round them told them politely to tone it down, because it was obvious Enzo was hurt. But one bloke started effing and blinding at them, and was completely out of order: they weren't being provocative, just naive. It could have kicked off. No stewards around to diffuse things. Also another woman sitting next to me said that whenever she went with her partner to boxing, there always seemed to be trouble...She mentioned trouble at the Froch--Dirrell fight.

So I hope security and stewarding are reviewed after all of this: it's clear from the discussion that the situation is putting at least some people off going--the very people who would never cause trouble, and who you would imagine promoters would want to encourage to attend their shows by doing their best to guarantee a reasonable level of security!

But we enjoyed the show immensely, I WILL take my partner to shows again, and we'll probably go to the next big FW show. (I wouldn't sit anywhere but the poshest seats though: less chance of trouble. That's not a cheerful thought)

Thanks also to Tony Bellew: signed our programmes and chatted amiably to the fans.

[wrimc]

The recent shows i have been to have had varying atmospheres each time i took my girlfriend and felt varying degrees of safety each time.

I was at Froch Dirrell in Nottingham I saw one fight break out in the crowd and there was a fair bit of racial tension going on during the Adnan Amar fight racist chanting between asian and white fans.

Went to the Paul Smith Dodson show at the Echo cracking atmosphere no trouble all night and as a result the gf actually enjoyed the boxing.

Was at Haye Ruiz and there were a few scuffles and by the time the Haye fight was on a fair few drunken nobs throwing themselves around but still not as bad as the nottingham show but the gf was getting heckled by loads of drunken nobs above us

[Adamj1987]

i personally saw 1 guy get kicked in the head on the stairs the the guy jump down the stairs on to the guy who he just kicked

2 guys were fighting a little way from them 1 guy tried to break it up and had the pleasure of both turing and hitting him.

it was at that point during the emzo fight we becan to leave because my GF doesnt like fighting in the stands. as we were leaveing we walked past a few lads with blood running down there face.

[n1ebf]

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we becan to leave because my GF doesnt like fighting in the stands

[Asterix]

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we becan to leave because my GF doesnt like fighting in the stands

She prefers to do it outside where there is more space.

[Adamj1987]

She prefers to do it outside where there is more space.

And less witnesses.

indeed i didnt want her getting arrested knocking 20 guys out while i cower in a corner

[JDC]

Maybe allegedly will learn when...(edited by mod)

[whicker]

A guy I know savaged by Matthew hall fans when he lost to small and his mrs punched in the face. Just cos he applauded a good fight.

Yep- I was very close to that, as were another group of fans who will also likely never go to boxing again- they walked out.

The big issue is the way it simply wasn't dealt with. The guy who punched the woman simply walked off- at no point did anyone try to get him or to take staements, despite his serious offence. No-one felt the need to come on this fourm an offer an apology.

If someone had assaulted a woman in Marks and Spencers and walked off, it may well have been headline news.

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We should focus on the positives of last night and that we have had a few of our fighters go onto bigger and better things..

True, but it's hard to focus on positives when this sort of thing happens. It just is. It's like going to a party, and it being good , apart from one small spell where a fight ruined it. It's the bad things people remember.

Its a shame because the fighters can't choose their fans.

They can make statements, though. They can also police their own fans, to some (albeit limited) extent.

For example, if I was a boxer, and heard that someone who has been "supporting" me had done certain things, then I'd want to find out who that guy was, and "have a word" about never coming near my fights again.

Forums open if any boxer wants to respond.

As my old man says, 'A closed mouth gathers no knuckle.'

Unfortunatly, at boxing, anyone can be a target. Given the cowardly nature of a lot of drunken fuckbags, smaller, people, women etc might seem a more "appealling" target.

If two blokes want to fight, let them go outside and do it.

Not sure what can really be done about it to be honest, if people are intent on causing trouble then they will.

The Law?

Find and convict some people , send them down for a long time, and that will send the message out. In the first instance, messages at the venue along the lines of "Anyone being violent or abusive to other fans will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law" for example would be a start.

Part of the "crowd mentality" is that "They won't get me..." etc.

Also, control (or a ban on) selling alcahol in the venue, requesting that people arrive before the show starts (rather than at 10.30 after an evening on the drink) etc WOULD help - but will never happen.

But to start with, what I think would help is an unambigious statement from event organisers (whomever they may be) that makes it clear that such behaviour will recieve Zero Tolerance.

I'm a supporter of professional and amateur boxing for both genders, and feel that live boxing shows should be a place where people of both genders- both fans and practitioners of the sport, can enjoy watching it. Without this, the sport may die.

Directly- the big professional shows should be a showcase for the sport, not "no go" areas dominated by drunks and "football" violence.

[Neri]

I'd rather just watch boxing on the tele these days or at a local pub with friends. Too many idiots at boxing events in my experience sadly.

The cons far outweigh the pro's of attending live boxing.

[whicker]

I'd rather just watch boxing on the tele these days or at a local pub with friends. Too many idiots at boxing events in my experience sadly.

The cons far outweigh the pro's of attending live boxing.

A lot of people echo this. I think, in a nutshell, as fans we want to go to a live show in order to watch the boxing. Not to have it ruined by fights in the crowd- and it does ruin it.

[Deserter]

It`s a British disease really. Total wankers.
I have been to huge boxing nights in Germany, small hall events in Sweden and Denmark, huge thai boxing nights in Bangkok and never once seen a sniff of trouble.
I`m English, buit moved abroad when I was 20 years old and it saddens me to see that some things never changed. Growing up near Leeds, it was all about where you come from, who you are suppossed to hate etc. Just utter bollocks really.
Maybe it`s something to do with being an island race or the fact that some people have just been brought up the wrong way, but the behaviour of some of these twats is totally unacceptable.
Brits abroad are worse, terrrible. Low life chave scum. It`s embarrassing.

Violence is something which has been with us since the dawn of humanity and always will be, it's instinctive, we are animals after all, no matter how 'civilised' we become that wild side will always be lurking inside much in the same way that a domesticated dog is still a dog and could turn on you and rip your throat out without warning.
It's not a national thing but a natural thing and compared to most countries we're pussycats, take a look at the Italians, Spaniards, Russians and South Americans for violence and utter stupidity among sporting fans.

Sorry Banjo, but that's a gross generalisation that ignores cultural norms - the reality is that there is a problem with casual drink-related violence among Brits that simply isn't replicated in many other places around the world. There are countless places in Europe, for example, where people choose to drink and socialize in a far more civilised fashion and where the local high street doesn't, therefore, resemble a war zone on a Saturday night.
In Dubai, on the few occasions I've witnessed fighting, it's almost always Brits who've instigated it.

[coneye]

It could be stopped but only with drastic measures , given that my believe is most of these guys are just cowardly ass holes who are only game when there coked up , pissed up , and in a gang , the way to stop them is simple

Employ the security firm with , the biggest , ugliest , meanest bunch of mothers you can find , only sell tickets to seats , and only sell them to people who supply there names and address , no name and address and id to prove it NO TICKET .

Video the crowd , so when it kicks off , you have on record who does what , when it kicks off send in the security , if they can't control it , dig out , the video the seat numbers , put two and tweo together , send the security round to there house , bash the crap out of the toe rags , and heh presto 90 % of it stops .

They only do it cos they get away with it , if they know your gonna turn them, and there house over a few days later , most of it will stop .

Other than that adopt the yankee laws , allow concealed guns , they consider it there duty, to arm and protect themselves , only take a couple dozen shootings and it will stop .

Bring back the birch , go out your way to catch yobos , sell tickets to watch them get the cat o nine tails .

Arm up 50 security with riot gear to form a snatch squad , to go in get the ring leaders , take them to a back room and kick the ---- out of them .

All drastic measures , all violent measures but heh its not until the yobs have to pay a price is it gonna stop

[whicker]

But while boxing is an underground sport as it is now, no-one cares enough to do anything about it in a serious way. If boxing was on the back pages in the same way football was this would get sorted.

If there is a serious injury (or worse) due to crowd violence, it may well be headline news. Lets hope organisers are sensible and pro active enough to do something before this happens.