Joe Frazier versus a wrestler?
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I'am confused
You mean Fraizer and these other boxer fought wrestlers in a boxing match or like a grappling type match? because if its boxing I dont see how a wrestler could win even against an aging boxer because the last thing a boxer loses is his punching power.First his legs then his reaction time but they dont lose their punch til they get really old.
We're kinda talking apples and oranges here.
As a rule of thumb, any match between a boxer and a professional wrestler that takes place on a professional wrestling card is worked. This includes the Thesz and Rogers vs. Walcott matches (he did two with each of them---Thesz could really wrestle, but Rogers couldn't) and all Inoki's matches except the one with Ali, which was supposed to be worked but ended up being on the level when Ali decided at the last minute that he didn't like the plan.
The matches in Pancrase may be worked---although the organization evolved to be totally legit, it was a mix at first. I've never seen Duran-Funaki and I don't know for sure.
Saad Muhammad's match with Kiyoshi Tamura took place under the auspices of UWF-i, which was mostly a worked organization but I think it was legitimate---Saad got taken down and tapped out inside of 30 seconds.
All Dempsey's fights with wrestlers were worked. The Luttrall fight was a professional wrestling 'angle' that got so much publicity that they cashed in on it. Dempsey did another 'boxing match' against wrestler Bull Curry the same week or the next week. How legit does THAT sound?
If Frazier did do a match with Colon it would have probably been in Puerto Rico where Colon still runs the professional wrestling promotion and it would have been a work. Colon is not a legitimate fighter.
Matches that take place in an MMA setting are probably legitimate.
In a legit match a competent grappler will win 99 times out of 100 because of the nature of the styles.
As a rule of thumb, any match between a boxer and a professional wrestler that takes place on a professional wrestling card is worked. This includes the Thesz and Rogers vs. Walcott matches (he did two with each of them---Thesz could really wrestle, but Rogers couldn't) and all Inoki's matches except the one with Ali, which was supposed to be worked but ended up being on the level when Ali decided at the last minute that he didn't like the plan.
The matches in Pancrase may be worked---although the organization evolved to be totally legit, it was a mix at first. I've never seen Duran-Funaki and I don't know for sure.
Saad Muhammad's match with Kiyoshi Tamura took place under the auspices of UWF-i, which was mostly a worked organization but I think it was legitimate---Saad got taken down and tapped out inside of 30 seconds.
All Dempsey's fights with wrestlers were worked. The Luttrall fight was a professional wrestling 'angle' that got so much publicity that they cashed in on it. Dempsey did another 'boxing match' against wrestler Bull Curry the same week or the next week. How legit does THAT sound?
If Frazier did do a match with Colon it would have probably been in Puerto Rico where Colon still runs the professional wrestling promotion and it would have been a work. Colon is not a legitimate fighter.
Matches that take place in an MMA setting are probably legitimate.
In a legit match a competent grappler will win 99 times out of 100 because of the nature of the styles.
Walcott lost both of his matches with Rogers and both of his matches with Thesz.Brooklyn's Buddy wrote:I did come across another mixed match-JerseyJoe Walcott versus Nature Boy Buddy Rogers on October 7, 1959 at The Forum in Montreal Canada. I don't have a result for this match.
There should also be a match with Ray Shire the same night as Roy Shire. This was the usual deal just like Dempsey-Luttrall where Moore had refereed a match of theirs, gotten in a 'dispute' with them, and 'knocked one of them out' so the babyface good guys could win the match, then they 'challenged' him. They were 'boxing matches' of two or three rounds and Moore had to knock them both out to win. He 'knocked out' Roy but Ray 'went the distance'. They were not really brothers and Ray was better known in wrestling as Ray Stevens (his real last name). Arch rassled some wrestling matches too.Also, two of Achie Moore's KO victims are described by the Pro Wrestling Illustrated Almanac as wrestlers:Roy Shire(9-8-56) and Mike Dibiase(3-15-63).I don't think that these were mixed matces. The Frazier-Colon article might have appeared i an old edition of this almanac.
Pro wrestling journalist Dave Meltzer says Colon-Frazier did happen, but he's sketchy on the details:
I don't know details, but know that it happened. I thought it was in Puerto Rico. (Wrestling promotor Jim) Crockett (Jr.) was planning after Starrcade 84 (an early wrestling PPV) to do Dusty (Rhodes) vs. Frazier and I'm not sure why it fell through. I knew it had been done and I thought in Puerto Rico first.