duran was overrated

[benitezfan]

i think duran was overrated,your thoughts? :)

[Crease]

I think you have FAILED!!!

[benitezfan]

duran wins lightweight title via low blow,wins controversial decision over leonard 1st fight,2nd fight losing bad decides to chicken out and quit,gets schooled by benitez,loses almost every round to hagler, and got destroyed against hearns :)

[elmersalsa]

duran wins lightweight title via low blow,wins controversial decision over leonard 1st fight,2nd fight losing bad decides to chicken out and quit,gets schooled by benitez,loses almost every round to hagler, and got destroyed against hearns :)

You just want some attention, pal.

[benitezfan]

duran wins lightweight title via low blow,wins controversial decision over leonard 1st fight,2nd fight losing bad decides to chicken out and quit,gets schooled by benitez,loses almost every round to hagler, and got destroyed against hearns :)

You just want some attention, pal.

i just posted facts,and yes my facts will get attention,from people who know and understand boxing :)

[Crease]

i just posted facts,and yes my facts will get attention,from people who know and understand boxing :)

The same people who understand boxing, know that Duran is one of the best boxers ever to have lived.

The guy is an absolute legend!!!

No-one goes unbeaten. (Apart from Marciano or Calzaghe or Ottke)

[elmersalsa]

He is like many Puerto Ricans that NEVER liked the great Roberto Duran. Like Jose "Chegui" Torres, was another Duran hater.

[Idisagree]

He is like many Puerto Ricans that NEVER liked the great Roberto Duran. Like Jose "Chegui" Torres, was another Duran hater.

Why you have to bring nationality to this. Do you even know if this guy is Puerto Rican? Your statement is even more stupid than his. And don't confuse me with a Puerto Rican because I'm not. Just pointing out that you sound just as ignorant as he with your statement. I know many PuertoRican's that absolutely are big fans of Duran.

This is the same guy that had another thread that Cuevas was overrated in punching power. Like I said on the other thread this must be a kid having fun, or he has no clue of what he is talking about. It just that simple.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It's true. Duran is over-rated.

[Seamus]

He's an alltime great, but evidenced by the fact that he got more than twice as many votes as Benny Leonard and Henry Armstrong combined, for best LW ever in the last poll on BoxRec, I'd say he's overrated on this particular site.

[Idisagree]

It's true. Duran is over-rated.

According Elmer you must be Puerto Rican

[Idisagree]

He's an alltime great, but evidenced by the fact that he got more than twice as many votes as Benny Leonard and Henry Armstrong combined, for best LW ever in the last poll on BoxRec, I'd say he's overrated on this particular site.

OMG!!! You are Puerto Rican too

[Goodnight, Irene]

It's true. Duran is over-rated.

According Elmer you must be Puerto Rican

LOL.

[Goodnight, Irene]

He's an alltime great, but evidenced by the fact that he got more than twice as many votes as Benny Leonard and Henry Armstrong combined, for best LW ever in the last poll on BoxRec, I'd say he's overrated on this particular site.

OMG!!! You are Puerto Rican too

[Goodnight, Irene]

It's true. Duran is over-rated.

Don't encourage him.

I'm encouraging the sentiment.

[raylawpc]

i think duran was overrated,your thoughts? :)

If I published my thoughts in response to your opinion of Duran, Buzz would ban me from boxrec.

[Controversial]

wins controversial decision over leonard 1st fight, loses almost every round to haggler

How was the decision over Leonard controversial?

Also Duran was the first fighter to go the distance with Hagler in a title fight plus after 12 rounds Duran was ahead on two of the judges scorecards. How did he lose almost every round?

[Seamus]

Anyone can be overrated if you think about it. I once had a guy tell me that if it wasen't for the heat, Sugar Ray Robinson would have shut out Joey Maxim, and based on that and Maxim's performances against Walcott and Charles, he thought with maybe 10 more pounds on him, Sugar Ray Robinson would have at least a chance at the Heavyweight title.

I can't fault the judges too much on Duran v Leonard I, I thought the it was a razor thin decision. Course some people feel Duran took Leonard to school, just like there are some people who think Wilfred Benitez took Duran to school.

[keithmoonhangover]

He is a legend. He is a hall of famer. No question. But I do think he's a touch overrated. Definitely in these boards.

Even in his prime I think Benny Leonard would have outslicked him and Henry Armstrong would have outworked him.

[Idisagree]

He is a legend. He is a hall of famer. No question. But I do think he's a touch overrated. Definitely in these boards.

Even in his prime I think Benny Leonard would have outslicked him and Henry Armstrong would have outworked him.

According to Elmer anyone who thinks that Duran is over-rated is Puerto Rican. So from what part of Puerto Rico are you?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nothing controversial or close about Duran/Leonard 1. It was competitive, but Duran won a minimum of 9 rounds. No way a legitimate card could have that fight for Ray.

[BoxBuzz]

so nice....I had to say it twice...lol


I see truth in these words, though perhaps not the way in which you mean.

Dempsey, Louis, Marciano,Ali, Robinson, Duran, Tyson DLH, SRL, FMJ, PacMan, have something in common. They caught the imagination of the media and the public. So they are all over rated in so far as their abilities vs the top tier. I think most of us here understand that they are not as "above the frey" as their general public reputations might lead you to believe. So it would be pretty impossible for them NOT to be "over rated", since almost everyone whether they follow boxing or not will offer up a "rating" for these fighters. Mostly because they are the fighters they actually know about.

However, I think forums such as this tend to inch closer to the truth about these differences. As you see, almost any "legend" is critiqued within boxing forums, and it almost becomes a myopic search to discuss and determine weaknesses. Nothing wrong with that. But it sort of renders your statement impotent. After giving it a go within any thread, many of us here will push back and remind us all just WHY these fighters became media sensations, and it almost always has to do with the FACT that these fighters were overall the cream of the crop. These "give and takes" follow each other like night and day.

In my decade and a half of witnessing these discussions on this board, the biggest "magnets" for these "viral" arguments have centered around the names I listed above.
I may have missed a name or two, I'm sure the regulars will fill in the gaps. And I doubt many will disagree with this general statement.

There's nothing wrong with it, but it still amazes me that a newcomer will often believe that they are the first to discover gravity because some truth just happened to have fallen into their lap.

[Ambling Alp]

Good post Buzz.
I guess it's how you look at things.
The guys Buzz mentioned are overrated in terms of how well known they are to the general public compared to other comparable greats who the general public knows little if anything about.

One of the great things about this forum is that sometimes we do talk about the ATG's that the general public knows little about. Fighters such as Langford, Charles, and Greb are hardly household names. However, on this Forum, they get a lot of attention and a lot of respect.

[elmersalsa]

He is like many Puerto Ricans that NEVER liked the great Roberto Duran. Like Jose "Chegui" Torres, was another Duran hater.

Why you have to bring nationality to this. Do you even know if this guy is Puerto Rican? Your statement is even more stupid than his. And don't confuse me with a Puerto Rican because I'm not. Just pointing out that you sound just as ignorant as he with your statement. I know many PuertoRican's that absolutely are big fans of Duran.

This is the same guy that had another thread that Cuevas was overrated in punching power. Like I said on the other thread this must be a kid having fun, or he has no clue of what he is talking about. It just that simple.

I guess you are Puerto Rican, too, because it looked like you got offended. I am just making a joke out of his nickname. I will not be surprised if this guy benitezfan is a Puerto Rican hater that always hate on Duran. Just like the guy Torres. Those type of guys always spoke "idiotcransies" about Duran...All the time.

I DON'T CARE IF MY STATEMENT IS STUPID....I know what I am doing, pal. Did I ever called you stupid or ignorant? Have some respect. I have never called nobody a name. A hater is hater like that guy is.

[elmersalsa]

It's true. Duran is over-rated.

Not like Oscar De La Hoya or Felix "Tito" Trinidad, right?