Autobarn wrote:yeah, obvious who's put him up to it, anyway. some manicured twat with a winning smile in a conference room, probably.
but khan has had his own immaculately plotted route to the top, so i don't see what right he has to tell anyone which fights and which deals to accept.
very amateurish from khan, awful viewing.
Oh ffs it's called an opinion, which he does have a right to voice, as do you, me and every other person no matter if people agree or not.
no, the pundit stuff is to summarise what has happened in the fight.
khan should keep that goldne boy shi t out of post fight analysis, and should not piss on murray's parade after a positive performance that has seen him edge up the ladder.
i was thinking "FFS" when khan started mumbling, failing to hide his agenda...
Murray is a lightweight, and Ortiz is light welterweight. 140 is very deep and I think it would be a bad move for Murray to start pursuing fights up there. I can't see him beating any of the top names. He has many more opportunities for success at 135, imo. I think he can do just fine against most of the top names at 135.
Rios looked good in his last fight, but it is still to early to tell how good he is.
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terminator wrote:well i still can't see him beating Katsidis or JMM
They are excellent fighters. Aside from them, the next best lightweights are Funeka, Acosta, Vasquez, Soto, Moses, and Rios. I would give Murray a chance against all of these fighters. I used to think Soto was a level above him, but Soto struggled in his last bout with an opponent who is clearly not a good as Murray.
I think Murray doesn't have a plan C or D - he's either bull dozing forward or pausing, then bull dozing forward!
I'll say this in his favour, he is gritty and determined. You stick 15,000 Brits behind him in an arena against one of the big guns and he'll give it absolutely everything.
There might be slicker operators out there than John, but he'd go out on his shield in a big fight. And that will to win can break an older fighter's heart like Marquez who has been to the well for years.
terminator wrote:well i still can't see him beating Katsidis or JMM
i couldn't see ricky burns beating roman martinez.
murray's on the best british and european title run i can remember (barring haye, who had a terrific EBU title run), and when he steps into world class i believe he'll deliver. it's up to him and his team to decide when and who. as with all british fighters it'll be a calculated gamble but he's capable of doing it.
looks like a lot of ppl are responding the way golden boy want them to, after they sent their trojan horse khan in!
G0mez wrote:I think Murray doesn't have a plan C or D - he's either bull dozing forward or pausing, then bull dozing forward!
I'll say this in his favour, he is gritty and determined. You stick 15,000 Brits behind him in an arena against one of the big guns and he'll give it absolutely everything.
There might be slicker operators out there than John, but he'd go out on his shield in a big fight. And that will to win can break an older fighter's heart like Marquez who has been to the well for years.
i thought he showed good boxing ability. very patient, broke the guy down. kudy was meeting him on the inside, both showed good defense and instincts up close. slowly took him apart without taking any silly shots like we've seen cleverly, mithcell etc taking.
felt that khan's hit and not get hit comments weren't really appropriate considering the fight we were all watching. of course murray's style has him in the firing zone but he can minimise his opponent's shots. i only saw the fight from the middle stages but i didn't see murray taking any head spinners.
because of murray's infighting skills, especially compared to most brits, it's easy to see why his fanbase is building and i can see why both showtime and HBO would want to show his fights.
King Geedorah wrote:It was pretty remarkable that he was in there given the eye stuff earlier this week. A few guys would have jacked the fight. Spoke to him for 'Scene and he said he put the eye issue to one side and just wanted to get out there and fight. Ortiz up in weight is a big fight but not the only option. Whether you think Murray can win the big fights or not, you cannot dispute that he will go for it and won't be easily discouraged.
interesting read from terry dooley. murray had an eye injury and almost had to withdraw from the fight. ppl were saying his eye looking bad, after the weigh in.
is this why murray was turning southpaw or was that to find different angles from which to attack the challenger?
Murray's like Froch was, IMO; in that he'll suffer a loss when he faces a non-green, decent boxer with decent chops. But I think he'll beat Ortiz, even at 140lbs.
John Murray was superb against a "non-green, decent boxer with decent chops" last saturday.
Controlled the "red mist" and his opponent very well AND he's excellent to watch in the process.
It's all come together for Murray, who should look for a shot at a Lightweight world title, not light-welter. That can come when the time's right, but he's superb at 9st 9lbs right now.
THEBUTCH wrote:John Murray was superb against a "non-green, decent boxer with decent chops" last saturday.
Decent, to you at least, is a very subjective word. Kudriatsev was simply a poorer version of Murray; a bit like how Hall was against Kocencny. McAllister is strictly a British-level fighter and Murray was having kittens in that fight. I would definitely pick Marquez over him.
There was a very good reason Murray was 33/1-on to beat Kudriatsev. I personally had never seen him fight, and apart from Autobarn, I would guess the majority of this forum is the same. I would also guess that no one, and I mean absolutely no one, picked Kudriatsev to win. Apart from his mam.
dioufy, this is british boxing. you win a domestic title, then a euro title, then if you're doing well you get world ranked, which murray is. he's done the traditional route, but because khan went off gobbing, now ppl are judging murray by standards which are out of context.
all these guys were ranked in the EBU top 10 - meager, mcallister, lawton, thaxton, buckland & kudryavtsev. all of them were stopped inside the distance. munroe and haye also went the european route. munroe didn't even win a british title. then he went EBU and got the 2 elims. this is what you do if you go the traditional way.
back to murray's challengers. buckland and lawton were actually coming off major wins, over henry castle (in a classic) and martin gethin (deemed good enough to challenge khan, at one point). mcallister represented a style problem, only to be broken down by murray - the scot was fast, fresh and was at least as big as murray, having campaigned at 140-pounds.
right, i fail to see the problem with last sat's fight. EBU title fight. vs the top man in the EBU rankings. kudryavstsev is one of the top european level fighters of recent. we have been spoiled in the last few years by romanov, who gave some exceptional performances & should have been moved up from that level. mezaache, thaxton, kudryavtsev, melero are basically the EBU level guys at lightweight of recent. right, JM's just dominated AK, and probably has a world title elim coming up, which is when they bring in the fancy name or tough mexican that murray apparently should have been defending his british & european titles against!
Meager, Lawton, McAllister, Thaxton, Buckland, Kudriatsev are a million miles away from the likes of Marquez, Katsidis, Soto, ect. He has proved time and time again that he's past Euro-level (although the Euro scene is immensely poor) and British-level. He needs to fight for a world-title next.
But I bet that he doesn't.
I like you Auto, but the bias you show to the fighters that you like is amazingly boring. You like Murray, you'll defend Murray, and you'll do it forever. But in the cold light of day, Murray's being moved at a very slow pace, against opponents that EVERYBODY expects him to beat with relative ease.
