Arnie Farnell - any good?

[SexySouthPaw]

Dean Powell,he has seen it all,he has had the experience of observing some very good corner men and has picked up plenty of knowledge,I dont think he has it in him to be a successful trainer though.

You are f*cking clueless in my view.

ok slap head,tell me one fighter that you know,that has been or is being coached by Dean Powell,just dean powell and ever acheived anything.You dont know? Well I will tell you F*CKING NONE.But I am giving you the chance to prove me wrong.

[goldbird]

Dean Powell,he has seen it all,he has had the experience of observing some very good corner men and has picked up plenty of knowledge,I dont think he has it in him to be a successful trainer though.

You are f*cking clueless in my view.

ok slap head,tell me one fighter that you know,that has been or is being coached by Dean Powell,just dean powell and ever acheived anything.You dont know? Well I will tell you F*CKING NONE.But I am giving you the chance to prove me wrong.

There is more to being a trainer than sitting in a corner telling the fighter instructions that we all would tell him ourselves if we were there.

[Autobarn]

did johnny nelson really say "cleverly would toy with bellew"?

nelson must be enjoying being on that side of the fence. when he was a fighter he inspired some of the most negative and morose commentary and pundit work ever.

[mickey1975]

Dean Powell,he has seen it all,he has had the experience of observing some very good corner men and has picked up plenty of knowledge,I dont think he has it in him to be a successful trainer though.

You are f*cking clueless in my view.

ok slap head,tell me one fighter that you know,that has been or is being coached by Dean Powell,just dean powell and ever acheived anything.You dont know? Well I will tell you F*CKING NONE.But I am giving you the chance to prove me wrong.

Amir Khan!

[hurlock]

dean's a great cornerman, but aint no coach. ive seen him down the lodge were he trained a fighter called ???. anyhow it would be, come on 1,2,3,4 roll, left hook jab,jab over & over again. plus he's to busy to commit to a fighter.

& my only criticism to farnell is them vest's :!: looked like a contestant from T.U.F series D

[Jeff Thomas]

Dean has got great experience, has been in the corner for sooo many big fights- he's also a fully qualified personal trainer I believe. He's apparently excellent at wrapping hands, and can pass on some pretty sound advice in the corner due to his 'non-emotional' connection to the fighter.

I think that Dean does well enough with what he's doing, but whose to say he wouldn't be a good trainer if he did it full time, when you've got people telling those who know little inside the game they've trainer world champions when they've actually just padded them a few times.

I like Dean, he's a nice chap and while I'd personally find his invasion of a corner I was in charge of a little distracting, and maybe counter productive if we had a slightly eccentric gameplan (think cleverley)- I still think he's a good bloke and geniunely wants the lads to do well. Franks not daft, if dean didn't know what he was doing he wouldn't be there. I think an extra pair of the hands in the corner is always going to help provided the advice given is sound and not in contridiction to preperations.

[lefty]

Too early to say either way

I dont agree with those slagging him off, but then on tye flipside all this best young trainer in the world etc talk. Based on what?

Based on...

Name me another trainer his age with his quality of stable anywhere on this spinning green and blue planet?

I don't want to get into the pro's and con's of Farnell as a coach - I aint seen him in action, so I aint judging. But I'm not sure having a good stable of fighters automatically assumes a good coach. I don't want to tempt fate, but I think the main quality of a good coach is seeing how many fighters REMAIN with him after they step up to CLOSE to their potential.

Please, anyone associated with Farnell, that's not intended to be person or disrespectful I'm just picking a hole in the arguement that getting a good punch of prospects isn't what makes a good coach. I sincerely hope Frankie, Tony and the rest stick with Farnell as get as far as their massive potential will take them.

Back in 1990 Pepe Correra had an Olympic Gold Medialist signed up with massive potential (eventually fulfilled) and also had one the top #5 P4P fighters at the time. He will never go down as a particularly good coach. Same with the late Oscar Suarez. Robert McCraken inherited some of Britain's best prospects in 2002 - doesn't automatically mean he was the best young coach in the world.

Yeah but look at freddie roach the guys constantly regarded as the number 1 coach in the world but thats all pretty much been on the back of his accomplishments with manny pacquaio!People forget about the fighters in his stable who he trains who lose the big fights!like mannys brother and ray bautista,etc.

[lefty]

Arnie is a good coach, My poor peformance last night was nothing to do with him!! The book stops with me!! I didn;t listen and was more concerened with looking for the big shot!! Poor performance but I will learn from it and Arnie is my coach and will continue to be as he's brilliant at his job..

Once again blame me not him!! He's the best young coach in the game!!

x2 arnie is a great coach an i have seen a lot of pro coaches warming there fighters up before fights training them in the gym an arnie is second to none we have a special little thing going on in our gym an were like a family an trust is there an everyone is out to help everyone an its not like bellew got beat bad day in the office end of!!

That there shows that its a very good enviroment,the most important thing is for the whole stable and trainers,etc to be together as you can have the most talented fighters and trainers in the world but if they're all in it just for themselves and dont care about the guys they're training alongside the atmosphere isnt going to be good!You only have to watch football to know how important unity is!

[lefty]

You are f*cking clueless in my view.

ok slap head,tell me one fighter that you know,that has been or is being coached by Dean Powell,just dean powell and ever acheived anything.You dont know? Well I will tell you F*CKING NONE.But I am giving you the chance to prove me wrong.

Amir Khan!

I hope you're joking as Amir khan wasnt just coached by Dean Powell!He had him for a very brief time after the cuban fella got sacked if my memory serves me right!

[lefty]

Dean has got great experience, has been in the corner for sooo many big fights- he's also a fully qualified personal trainer I believe. He's apparently excellent at wrapping hands, and can pass on some pretty sound advice in the corner due to his 'non-emotional' connection to the fighter.

I think that Dean does well enough with what he's doing, but whose to say he wouldn't be a good trainer if he did it full time, when you've got people telling those who know little inside the game they've trainer world champions when they've actually just padded them a few times.

I like Dean, he's a nice chap and while I'd personally find his invasion of a corner I was in charge of a little distracting, and maybe counter productive if we had a slightly eccentric gameplan (think cleverley)- I still think he's a good bloke and geniunely wants the lads to do well. Franks not daft, if dean didn't know what he was doing he wouldn't be there. I think an extra pair of the hands in the corner is always going to help provided the advice given is sound and not in contridiction to preperations.

He's never boxed in his life though has he?Dean Powell i mean?

[jessi]

From what ive seen and read and im no expert but arnie is a great coach, he was a top pro and his passion is second to none, as bomber and gavin have said, its a family unit and they help each other. keep up the goood work arnies gym !

[mickey1975]

ok slap head,tell me one fighter that you know,that has been or is being coached by Dean Powell,just dean powell and ever acheived anything.You dont know? Well I will tell you F*CKING NONE.But I am giving you the chance to prove me wrong.

Amir Khan!

I hope you're joking as Amir khan wasnt just coached by Dean Powell!He had him for a very brief time after the cuban fella got sacked if my memory serves me right!

He said name one fighter.Dean trained Khan for the Gomez fight.He also trained Chris Pyatt for title fights while Jimmy Tibbs was away with Nigel Benn.Dean is one of the busiest men in British boxing so it wouldnt be practicle for him to spend an entire training camp with one boxer.To serve an apprenticeship under Terry Lawless,Jimmy Tibbs and then go on to work for Lennox Lewis,Frank Maloney and Fwank you have to really know what you are doing.Its experience money cant buy.

[stujones]

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Yeah but look at freddie roach the guys constantly regarded as the number 1 coach in the world but thats all pretty much been on the back of his accomplishments with manny pacquaio!People forget about the fighters in his stable who he trains who lose the big fights!like mannys brother and ray bautista,etc.[/quote]

Not everyone will be a world champion though. Rey Bautista is a little young to completedly disregard. But yes, I do think Roach dropped a bollock there by pitting him in with Ponce De Leon too soon. He can't be that bad though, he was betting favourite against the pretty formidable De Leon at about 21.

I think Bobby Pacquiao has probably gone as far as he could. He didn't have the natural attributes of his brother and still got to being on the verge of a world title fight. He had some pretty good wins himself.

Roach's praise goes back a fair amount further than Pacquiao. Look at how he has changed Khan - from a guy with no defence and considered to have no power at Lightweight, into a fighter dominating Paulie Malignaggi. Yes, PM is a powder puff puncher, but Khan got caught and hurt by Willie Limond. I think Malignaggi would toy with Limond.

[chubs]

Arnie is a good coach, My poor peformance last night was nothing to do with him!! The book stops with me!! I didn;t listen and was more concerened with looking for the big shot!! Poor performance but I will learn from it and Arnie is my coach and will continue to be as he's brilliant at his job..

Once again blame me not him!! He's the best young coach in the game!!

x2 arnie is a great coach an i have seen a lot of pro coaches warming there fighters up before fights training them in the gym an arnie is second to none we have a special little thing going on in our gym an were like a family an trust is there an everyone is out to help everyone an its not like bellew got beat bad day in the office end of!!

Ive heard lots of people say farnell is a great coach and could already be the best in britain only time will tell but you can not disagree especially when his top fighters back him all the way and it seems Warren sends his top prospects to him

[Bomber 1]

Like I've said no one can touch Arnie, Brilliant coach and a good honest man, I've been round an awful lot of coaches over the years so know a top one when I see one..

People will laugh at this topic in 2 years time..

[dbf]

I never buy into this ‘best coach in the world’, ‘best young coach’ talk. Its so hard to determine how good a coach is, as one loss or bad performance can change everyone’s opinion.

I think coaches that get my respect are ones that have continually produced quality boxers (Brendan Ingle – plus lets remember he’s had most of his from scratch!), have developed an already quality boxer to notable effect (see Goosen with Diego Corrales) or are consistent in the work that they do with a large stable of boxers (Roach, Steward (back then), Ulli Wegnar, Brian Hughes etc).

Having a good stable of fighters doesn’t necessarily mean you are a good coach.

I think the coaches that are going to get far are the ones who are open to new ideas, don’t try and do it all (i.e. not afraid to have a specialised S&C coach) and have the experience needed when things aren’t going right for their boxers.

Arnie, in my opinion seems to be going about things is good way, is forward thinking and has the respect of his boxers. Only time will tell, but we have to give him a chance.

[Jeff Thomas]

He's never boxed in his life though has he?Dean Powell i mean?

I think that its not actually needed that a trainer has boxed themselves- provided thy understand the mentality of a fighter and can read a bout well. Think about it, the guys they are training already should have a firm grasp of the fundamentals they've had countless amateur bouts (sic) and an amateur trainer has spent time guiding them to the right style. Also there own reflective learning after bouts and spars.

There are a number of very good trainers who never boxed themselves. I don't think its absolutely imperative as long as the trainer is intelligent and thoughtful enough to be able to place themselves in the fighters shoes. Look at Brian Hughes- i'm pretty certain he never boxed to a high standard.

[jonp]

He's never boxed in his life though has he?Dean Powell i mean?

I think that its not actually needed that a trainer has boxed themselves- provided thy understand the mentality of a fighter and can read a bout well. Think about it, the guys they are training already should have a firm grasp of the fundamentals they've had countless amateur bouts (sic) and an amateur trainer has spent time guiding them to the right style. Also there own reflective learning after bouts and spars.

There are a number of very good trainers who never boxed themselves. I don't think its absolutely imperative as long as the trainer is intelligent and thoughtful enough to be able to place themselves in the fighters shoes. Look at Brian Hughes- i'm pretty certain he never boxed to a high standard.

Brian had a couple of fights as heel tellyou and hes a top top coach ,angelo dundee didnt have any fighting experiance.

Sugar Ray leonard and nigel benn both have tried to train fighters and have admitted they cant do it. Sometimes to realy be able to understand ,anylise and find a solution to a problem it doesnt help if you can do the problem effortlessly and naturally.

[Arnie]

Dean knows his boxing inside out, having never boxed doesnt mean you cant teach imo

[goldbird]

Dean knows his boxing inside out, having never boxed doesnt mean you cant teach imo

hmm, thats an interesting point. i would say that not having boxed doesn't mean you can't analyse a fight and have a very good idea of who would win, based on styles.. especially with years of watching boxing behind you. its actually interesting how an unbiased boxing fan could analyse the styles of fighters and have a better understanding of who would win than a fighter would. however, to teach a fighter how to box without having learned yourself... im not sure i agree. but im sure its been done though.

[Wax On]

Best football coach in the world: Jose Mourinho, never played football to any kind of decent standard. Look at the two best female tennis player in the world, Venus and Serena Williams. Both coached from scratch by a father with no practical experience of the sport. I don't think you could day boxing is any more technical than either of those sports, so don't see any reason why someone who's not boxed to any great level, or even at all couldn't be a good coach....

[stujones]

If you can command the same level of respect without having boxed then that is a critical thing. I know some guys who moved amateur clubs cause they had to relocate for work reasons but found it hard to respect the coach cause he had no experience. Indeed, they would comment that sometimes this coach would "play spar" with the little ones and would be clueless.

So it is critical that the respect is there, that's almost a given when a top pro is your coach. Of course it can be earned with someone with no or little experience in boxing. Freddie Roach was hardly Sugar Ray Leonard in terms of ability - but the respect is there cause of his own work ethic - dealing with the issues he has so admirably.

[tonyevs]

Whether Anthony Farnell is - or isn't - what people on here say, will best be judged against the careers of similar 'hot prospects' like Frankie Gomez, Jose Benavidez, Jamie kavanagh and Jesse Vargas ....these are the other kids I'm keeping an eye on in comparison to the exciting 'funtime'

[Captain Hook]

He's a good coach and a good guy who's still learning his trade....I'm sure Arnie would be the first to admit that.

Bit of a harsh thread IMO and I reinforce the comments of those who look at his stable as an indication of how respected he is already in the game....

In time he'll get better and better..

[bennie]

Dean did have a few amateur fights.