Aaron Pryor vs. Ray Leonard at 144

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 03 May 2005, 22:30

I said at 144 so Ray couldn't come in too big for Pryor.

But how would this come out?

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 03 May 2005, 22:59

...do you really think 4 pounds.....assuming ray was a welterwight...would make a difference? boxing clinic by the candy ass but more talented leonard.

CM · Post by CM » 04 May 2005, 01:31

Depends. Does Panama Lewis have the special bottle he mixed?

Seriously peak vs. peak 144 is kind of a tossup. Bottle or no bottle the Pryor who beat Arguello twice was something from Mars. Leonard really didn't have three pounds to lose at his peak and might have been drained by drying down and Pryor wouldn't have had to worry about weight.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 04 May 2005, 09:06

Leonard would never agree to come in at 144.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 04 May 2005, 13:44

Pryor could easily have stepped up to 147.

Leonard would have won if that was the case.

CM · Post by CM » 04 May 2005, 13:49

At 47, sure.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 04 May 2005, 15:42

At his prime Pryor was really a natural Lightweight if he stepped up to 147 I see Leonard being too strong for Aarron and probably winning by a late stoppage or on points... great fight but Leonard too big!.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 04 May 2005, 23:24

Too bad Leonard ducked Pryor if not we would have known the outcome.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 05 May 2005, 00:53

...dammit tomato can.....why don't you keep me off these pryor posts...aren't you some kind of editor...but....i get out ...the keep pulling me back in....

one more time .....LEONARD DID NOT DUCK PRYOR!!!! the concept is so ridiculous i get mad at myself for continuing to bring it up.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 05 May 2005, 01:55

Grimm wrote:Too bad Leonard ducked Pryor if not we would have known the outcome.

How did Leonard duck Pryor, when he was retired from '82-'87, apart from 1 fight in '84?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 May 2005, 11:19

Grimm wrote:Too bad Leonard ducked Pryor if not we would have known the outcome.

Get the facts straight Grimm, Leonard didnot duck Pryor!...

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 05 May 2005, 12:33

There is NO chance that Leonard would have dropped to 144lbs to fight a dangerous foe like Pryor. Leonard was way too smart for that and liked to hold all the aces before getting into the ring.

However at 147lbs Leonard would be too big and sharp for the relentless but at times reckless Aaron Pryor. As much as I would have been cheering on The Hawk I can see Leonard taking a hard fought and frantic points decision.

It would not shock me if the sharp and accurate punching Leonard managed to drop Pryor early. Pryor would get back up and give Leonard hell, but would always be just that half step behind the fleet footed Leonard.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 05 May 2005, 13:33

If Pryor had his hands full at 140 against a former featherweight and not exactly a defensive wizard like Arguello, I can only imagine what would happen to him at 147 (or 144 for that matter) facing a fighter who possesed the repertoire and bag of tricks that Leonard had.

Leonard didnt pay attention to Pryor because he had bigger fish to fry (his sights were set on 160 and Hagler as early as 81)

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 05 May 2005, 13:47

Early in their Boxing careers Leonard and Pryor often sparred together. Apparently Leonard dropped Pryor a number of times.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 May 2005, 14:59

Much as I love Pryor I think Leonard would have just been too big for him and would probably ko Aaron. Pryor was really a natural Lightweight and could possibly have been an even more impressive champion at that weight had he been given a shot at 135...

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 05 May 2005, 15:30

Syntax Error wrote:
Grimm wrote:Too bad Leonard ducked Pryor if not we would have known the outcome.
How did Leonard duck Pryor, when he was retired from '82-'87, apart from 1 fight in '84?

Why couldn't the 1 fight in 84 be against Pryor?

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 05 May 2005, 19:30

It is common knowledge that by 1984 Pryor was heavily into cocaine and struggling against below average challengers such as Nick Furlano and Gary Hinton.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 05 May 2005, 19:38

Broncano wrote:It is common knowledge that by 1984 Pryor was heavily into cocaine and struggling against below average challengers such as Nick Furlano and Gary Hinton.

I find it ironic that Aaron Pryor being the "bad guy" and Alexis Arguello being the "good guy" that they both were crackheads.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 05 May 2005, 19:44

Grimm wrote:
Broncano wrote:It is common knowledge that by 1984 Pryor was heavily into cocaine and struggling against below average challengers such as Nick Furlano and Gary Hinton.
I find it ironic that Aaron Pryor being the "bad guy" and Alexis Arguello being the "good guy" that they both were crackheads.

Indeed, it is ironic that two future cocaine addicts were responsible for what in my opinion was the most exciting fight of the eighties.

The good part of the story though, is that they both came out of it and could eventually defeat their addiction.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 06 May 2005, 03:00

No contest, Pryor wasn't big enough, strong enough, fast enough to beat Ray. Ray was better in absolutely every department. This concept of Leonard ducking Pryor is ridiculous. Pryor was fighting his career at JW, Leonard was always a natural Welter. Also the Pryor that beat Arguello to me was good, he was not devestating and Arguello who looked like a real slugger in that fight gave Aaro a real tough fight.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 06 May 2005, 05:59

Grimm wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:
Grimm wrote:Too bad Leonard ducked Pryor if not we would have known the outcome.
How did Leonard duck Pryor, when he was retired from '82-'87, apart from 1 fight in '84?
Why couldn't the 1 fight in 84 be against Pryor?

Pryor was not really an option in '84, he had other personal problems to deal with at that time.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 06 May 2005, 14:47

Grimm wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:
Grimm wrote:Too bad Leonard ducked Pryor if not we would have known the outcome.
How did Leonard duck Pryor, when he was retired from '82-'87, apart from 1 fight in '84?
Why couldn't the 1 fight in 84 be against Pryor?

It would have been a poor match0up at that stage of their careers. Pryor was a shell of his former self due to crack cocaine.

Also in his one fight in 1984 Leonard looked awfull against the tough but limited Kevin Howard of Philadelphia. A fight I seem to recall that had a contriversial stoppage.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 May 2005, 15:25

walshb wrote:No contest, Pryor wasn't big enough, strong enough, fast enough to beat Ray. Ray was better in absolutely every department. This concept of Leonard ducking Pryor is ridiculous. Pryor was fighting his career at JW, Leonard was always a natural Welter. Also the Pryor that beat Arguello to me was good, he was not devestating and Arguello who looked like a real slugger in that fight gave Aaro a real tough fight.

Do you really think that Leonard was stronger than pryor? I mean sure Ray was taller and faster but you think he was stronger as well?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 06 May 2005, 15:34

I think Sugar Ray would have been quite a bit stronger.

Have you seen the size of his biceps? Add in the fact that he successfully fought up to Super Middleweight must prove that he would have been stronger than Pryor.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 06 May 2005, 19:22

Syntax Error wrote:I think Sugar Ray would have been quite a bit stronger.

Have you seen the size of his biceps? Add in the fact that he successfully fought up to Super Middleweight must prove that he would have been stronger than Pryor.

So by what your saying, since he fought at super middleweight it proves he was stronger?
If so that statement is just plain stupid.
Roy Jones fought at super middleweight, do you think that he's stronger than Marvin hagler?

And please don't bring bicep size into this, even if his puny looking biceps were bigger than Aaron's that has nothing to do with being stronger than him.

By bringing up biceps into the strength subject do you think that Winky Wright could out muscle Trinidad seing that his biceps were bigger?
I do not think so.