Arnie Farnell - any good?

[Autobarn]

I never buy into this ‘best coach in the world’, ‘best young coach’ talk. Its so hard to determine how good a coach is, as one loss or bad performance can change everyone’s opinion.

I think coaches that get my respect are ones that have continually produced quality boxers (Brendan Ingle – plus lets remember he’s had most of his from scratch!), have developed an already quality boxer to notable effect (see Goosen with Diego Corrales) or are consistent in the work that they do with a large stable of boxers (Roach, Steward (back then), Ulli Wegnar, Brian Hughes etc).

Having a good stable of fighters doesn’t necessarily mean you are a good coach.

I think the coaches that are going to get far are the ones who are open to new ideas, don’t try and do it all (i.e. not afraid to have a specialised S&C coach) and have the experience needed when things aren’t going right for their boxers.

Arnie, in my opinion seems to be going about things is good way, is forward thinking and has the respect of his boxers. Only time will tell, but we have to give him a chance.

had to laugh at goossen when he told brian viloria, "look you're 9 rds to 2 up at the moment", against edgar sosa.

that was taking the laid back corner work to shocking extremes.

viloria was getting outboxed & outfought by an opponent who came rallying back every time viloria got a good shot off.

[rhino222]

Arnie is doing ok, he would probably score himself about 6 out of 10 so far as a trainer.

If Farnell shows half of the amount of dedication and heart as a trainer as he did as a limited but dedicated fighter, then i think he will do very very well.

The initial signs are good, much as i love the ingles and their style/success.......the man for me is Rob McCracken....he talks so so much sense, i enjoy his mid round briefings for his fighters.......but...

Its down to the fighter to do as he is told!!!

[HomeOfBritishBoxing]

Bellew has shown limitations in past fights as well. This was very bad. I think he needs to get away from Farnell and get to a respected american trainer before it is too late. he has all the potential to be the new Enzo Maccarinelli and I wouldn't like to see that happen. He has bad habits and a bad mentality. This could be changed by getting with someone like Freddy Roach, Emmanuel Stewart, Buddy McGirt etc and he would develop well faster than staying in a comfort zone with Farnell. Look at Amir Khan and how he developed. I think Bellew needs to seriously think about his position and his career. He did a lot of damage to his reputation last night. He should take a leaf out of Tony Jeffries book and get a top American trainer and relocate and live the hard life because he has potential but if he keeps going the way he is going I can't see his potential being realized.

in my entire life i have never read a more shity un true bollocks p155poor post

do me a favour have a word with your self.

bellew in his last few fights before ajisafe has shown world class skills and power. what have you been smoking?
he beat atoli moore who im not saying was a good fighter but he k.od him in 1 round and got hit less than 3 times. his fight before that he fought velecky his best opponent to date, who the previous fight went the full distance with the previous super middleweight world champion and bellew k.od him in 1 round what more would you have him do???????????????????

its farnell that has got him where he is today . bellew had an off night and was loading up too much due to ajisafes awkwardness, he will learn from it and you can bet your a55 arnie will iron out all those mistakes and give bellew a kick up the back side

bellew and farnell have a great relation ship they both have respect for one another and know exactly what there job is. who are you to tell 2 proffessionals what they should or shouldnt do? what are your credentials.

come back when you know anything about the sport, farnell has forgotten more than you will ever know

Well I didn't mean any offence, was merely stating my opinion. I don't understand how bomber has shown "world class skills" already in his career either but I suppose thats a matter of opinion. We all agree that it was a lousy showing by bomber bellew and the trainer takes some blame too. Bomber said he just wasn't listening to Farnell.. that tells it all. If Freddy Roach was in his corner do you think he would be listening? Have a look at Khan in the corner every time Roach opens his mouth... Khan is like a student in a classroom taking everything in. Time will tell but if Bellew wants to go on to world honours, I think he will have to move on from Farnell. Just my opinion hbut we will see in time. personally, after a showing like that, world honours look very far away indeed.

i agree with you that bellew hasn't shown world class skills, all he has shown is a big punch so far. hope to see him box more in the future instead of looking for the KO

[hurlock]

this thread is on farnell :!:

does he remind you of shaun from this is england series DD

[rhino222]

this thread is on farnell :!:

does he remind you of shaun from this is england series DD

he reminds me more of Gok Wan !! ...

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Anyone else feel that, or am I being harsh?

dunno why that made me laugh, but it did.

[beagleboy]

Anthony Crolla has certainly improved since jumping ship.

[Spud]

Anthony Crolla has certainly improved since jumping ship.

Another very predictable dig at a very good trainer.

Anthony Crolla produced an excellent performance. However, technically I do not think he has improved that much - where as his conditioning has improved massively - surely that comes down to the excellent advice given by Kerry Kayes rather than Joe Gallagher ?

[Autobarn]

Anthony Crolla has certainly improved since jumping ship.

Another very predictable dig at a very good trainer.

Anthony Crolla produced an excellent performance. However, technically I do not think he has improved that much - where as his conditioning has improved massively - surely that comes down to the excellent advice given by Kerry Kayes rather than Joe Gallagher ?

crolla has a totally different style of fighting, uses more variety and angles. also, paced himself far better which is usually to do with the trainer. i bet you'll see a massive difference when crolla fights sykes again, not only physically but in tactics.

have to agree with beagleboy. crolla has become far more versatile since getting a new trainer. boxing, applying pressure, punching. his punches seem a lot harder because his technique has improved. he obviously fits into Gallagher's Gym and found his form there.

unlike farnell, joe's fighters don't come on boxrec all the time bigging him up. farnell has a champ (bellew, commonwealth) and soon to be another one (Gavin) and obviously can deal with different styles.

spud, you get my vote for worst post of the year.

[TheCobra]

I think it is too early to judge Farnell as a trainer. He is early in his career so why write him off or praise him too quickly. Crolla looks better since leaving him though, I agree on that, but certain trainers might suit certain fighters.

Personally, off the SKy footage I have seen, I don't like Farnell's corner work, don't think he seems to give too much intelligent insight. His fighters do come on here and back him though and that's all that counts really. If the fighters believe in him then he should do ok. The acid test will be how far any of his prospects get in the long run. Far too soon to judge him on that score.

[hurlock]

Anthony Crolla has certainly improved since jumping ship.

sykes still beat's him. it dont matter who's training him.

[Counter-puncher]

Anthony Crolla has certainly improved since jumping ship.

Another very predictable dig at a very good trainer.

Anthony Crolla produced an excellent performance. However, technically I do not think he has improved that much - where as his conditioning has improved massively - surely that comes down to the excellent advice given by Kerry Kayes rather than Joe Gallagher ?

crolla has a totally different style of fighting, uses more variety and angles. also, paced himself far better which is usually to do with the trainer. i bet you'll see a massive difference when crolla fights sykes again, not only physically but in tactics.

crolla has become far more versatile since getting a new trainer. boxing, applying pressure, punching. his punches seem a lot harder because his technique has improved. he obviously fits into Gallagher's Gym and found his form there.


spud, you get my vote for worst post of the year.

yup, yup, and yup, mate. he's much more relaxed and sits down on shots more.

[jBacca]

He might look better now, but if he'd started off with Gallagher would he be fighting the same? I'm guessing the stuff he learnt with Arnie is helping him too.

[whiskey]

Whilst I agree, let's give Gallagher for some top praise for his fighter's performance - I don't think it should also be used as a back-handed way of criticising Farnell in the process.

[Autobarn]

Whilst I agree, let's give Gallagher for some top praise for his fighter's performance - I don't think it should also be used as a back-handed way of criticising Farnell in the process.

absolutely. hopefully me praising JG didn't come across as criticising arnie

[jBacca]

Whilst I agree, let's give Gallagher for some top praise for his fighter's performance - I don't think it should also be used as a back-handed way of criticising Farnell in the process.

Yep.

Arnie has definitely played a big part in Crolla's development.

[chubs]

Whilst I agree, let's give Gallagher for some top praise for his fighter's performance - I don't think it should also be used as a back-handed way of criticising Farnell in the process.

Yep.

Arnie has definitely played a big part in Crolla's development.

I agree but crolla's just not got the dig to beat sykes and wont even win a british no matter who trains him but good luck all the same and yes it was a good win on saturday

[Autobarn]

obviously with crolla's loss to sykes, tough matchmaking, lack of physical strength, other factors could have had a big bearing.

it's all coming good for him now, that defeat may have made him as a fighter & i'm sure arnie is chuffed for him and now crolla seems poised to win the british title. and right now gallagher is on a great run with his fighters. i'm pleased for him as i recall the frustrating days when he and murray couldn't get the rewarding fights and in which many wrote murray off after the fights with munguia and hamidi. joe definitely seems to be getting the results with macklin, murray and now anthony crolla - so props to him.

[daniel h]

Anthony Crolla has certainly improved since jumping ship.

Another very predictable dig at a very good trainer.

Anthony Crolla produced an excellent performance. However, technically I do not think he has improved that much - where as his conditioning has improved massively - surely that comes down to the excellent advice given by Kerry Kayes rather than Joe Gallagher ?

spud some of your posts on here are absolute crap, how do you no his conditioning has come down to kerry, joe has alot to offer when it comes to conditioning his fighters, crolla has improved loads it shown last night when he took a very good boxer apart, he was punch perfect he was sharp and acurate with a better varity of punches now than he has ever had.

[Spud]

Read my original post - I clearly stated I thought Crolla's performance was excellent - however I think that is more down to the absolutely superb conditioning of Crolla rather than his range of shots - simply an opinion and I find it amusing how so many people cannot handle that.

[Spud]

Whilst I agree, let's give Gallagher for some top praise for his fighter's performance - I don't think it should also be used as a back-handed way of criticising Farnell in the process.

Exactly - some people on here are trying to stab Farnell in the back - its gone on for years on these forums and I am surprised people cannot see that.

[Autobarn]

let's leave it how bennie put it

something like "i've yet to see a bad trainer in manchester."

they're all good, gallagher, arnie, oliver harrison etc and you can see it in the fighters whether they had proven pedigree before that or not.

the fighters are delivering, 3 euro champs (if you count macklin, also irish and brummie; with foster jr and murray) this year and let's hope some of these guys can start headlining at the MEN, building up impressive followings as was the case back in the gomez, farnell, hatton days.

[chubs]

Anthony Crolla has certainly improved since jumping ship.

Another very predictable dig at a very good trainer.

Anthony Crolla produced an excellent performance. However, technically I do not think he has improved that much - where as his conditioning has improved massively - surely that comes down to the excellent advice given by Kerry Kayes rather than Joe Gallagher ?

spud some of your posts on here are absolute crap, how do you no his conditioning has come down to kerry, joe has alot to offer when it comes to conditioning his fighters, crolla has improved loads it shown last night when he took a very good boxer apart, he was punch perfect he was sharp and acurate with a better varity of punches now than he has ever had.

spud knows his stuff believe me as for joe gallagher having a lot to offer when it comes to conditioning a fighter how do you explain joe murray weighing in 4 pound overweight and then being stripped of his british title

[Autobarn]

think it was 4oz

[chubs]

think it was 4oz

It may have been 4oz on the scales but beleive me joe was 4 pound over on the day of the weighing 100%