Favourite boxers! ....who and why?...
Favourite boxers! ....who and why?...
Who are your favourite boxers?.... fighters like Bobby Chacon, Ali, Salvadore Sanchez are among mine..... also Kid Gavilan, Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler.....
Favorite Boxers.
I like Gavilan and Robinson too. I like Roberto Duran despite his "NO Mas" fight. One of my all time favorites was Floyd Patterson. Patterson isn't going down in history as one of the greatest heavyweights, but I still like him as a fighter.
I believe that Patterson could have been one of the greatest Light Heavyweights in history if he stayed in that division. Trouble is, the Heavyweight division has always been where the big money is, and Patterson made more money as a Heavyweight than he ever could have made as a Light Heavtweight. As a Light Heavtweight, Patterson may have held the light heavy title more than a dozen years, if he could have gotten a shot at that title when he was young. Patterson was ranked number 1 in the Light Heavyweight division in 1955 when he was only 20 years old. Instead, Patterson opted to fight for the Heavyweight title and won it when he was only 21.
I believe that Patterson could have been one of the greatest Light Heavyweights in history if he stayed in that division. Trouble is, the Heavyweight division has always been where the big money is, and Patterson made more money as a Heavyweight than he ever could have made as a Light Heavtweight. As a Light Heavtweight, Patterson may have held the light heavy title more than a dozen years, if he could have gotten a shot at that title when he was young. Patterson was ranked number 1 in the Light Heavyweight division in 1955 when he was only 20 years old. Instead, Patterson opted to fight for the Heavyweight title and won it when he was only 21.
...when patterson was fighting as a small heavyweight the light-heavy question came up a lot and flloyd sad the lightest weight he could come in at and not feel weak would be 180. this was in the sensible days when fighters were weighed on the day of the fight, so he wouldn't have been able to cheat the scales..which is what they do now with their day before nonsense.
if the current custom were in at that time, i agree he would have been one hell of a good lightheavy....but would have had some stiff competition in that division.
if the current custom were in at that time, i agree he would have been one hell of a good lightheavy....but would have had some stiff competition in that division.
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Muhammad Ali - Flashy, charismatic, funny, complex and a great fighter.
Marvin Hagler - A fighter that lived up to his Marvelous tag, amazing blue collar fighter who came up the hard way.
Leon Spinks - First fight I can recall watching was Spinks vs Ali 1 so I guess that why I like Neon Leon, also a underated fighter and usually great value for money.
Nigel Benn - The UK's most exciting fighter of recent years, big punching, agressive fighter who allways tried to win.
Azumah Nelson - The Little Professor was one of the all-time greats who's skills were a joy to watch. I have met many people from Ghana and when asked about Nelson they all smile with pride and say Azumah is THE MAN!
Bennie Briscoe - Super tough, armour plated, intimidating Middleweight wrecking machine and one of the best Middleweights never to win the Title. Bennie was a 'BAD' man and by all account used to be a terror around the Philly gyms of the 70's. Shame he doesn't give interviews.
I can't believe I forgot to mention the great Jimmy Wilde. The greatest Flyweight who ever lived!
Marvin Hagler - A fighter that lived up to his Marvelous tag, amazing blue collar fighter who came up the hard way.
Leon Spinks - First fight I can recall watching was Spinks vs Ali 1 so I guess that why I like Neon Leon, also a underated fighter and usually great value for money.
Nigel Benn - The UK's most exciting fighter of recent years, big punching, agressive fighter who allways tried to win.
Azumah Nelson - The Little Professor was one of the all-time greats who's skills were a joy to watch. I have met many people from Ghana and when asked about Nelson they all smile with pride and say Azumah is THE MAN!
Bennie Briscoe - Super tough, armour plated, intimidating Middleweight wrecking machine and one of the best Middleweights never to win the Title. Bennie was a 'BAD' man and by all account used to be a terror around the Philly gyms of the 70's. Shame he doesn't give interviews.
I can't believe I forgot to mention the great Jimmy Wilde. The greatest Flyweight who ever lived!
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Any idea why Benny doesn't give interviews?.... its strange I have stacks (and I mean stacks!) of boxing magazines from 60s and 70s and have never found one interview with Briscoe in them cept for a '63 new faces peiece in Ring... where it says Bennie was a qualified hairdresser!KOJOE90 wrote:Muhammad Ali - Flashy, charismatic, funny, complex and a great fighter.
Marvin Hagler - A fighter that lived up to his Marvelous tag, amazing blue collar fighter who came up the hard way.
Leon Spinks - First fight I can recall watching was Spinks vs Ali 1 so I guess that why I like Neon Leon, also a underated fighter and usually great value for money.
Nigel Benn - The UK's most exciting fighter of recent years, big punching, agressive fighter who allways tried to win.
Azumah Nelson - The Little Professor was one of the all-time greats who's skills were a joy to watch. I have met many people from Ghana and when asked about Nelson they all smile with pride and say Azumah is THE MAN!
Bennie Briscoe - Super tough, armour plated, intimidating Middleweight wrecking machine and one of the best Middleweights never to win the Title. Bennie was a 'BAD' man and by all account used to be a terror around the Philly gyms of the 70's. Shame he doesn't give interviews.
Sorry I have no idea why Bennie Briscoe refuses to talk to the media. Great shame I bet he has some great stories to tell.silkov wrote:Any idea why Benny doesn't give interviews?.... its strange I have stacks (and I mean stacks!) of boxing magazines from 60s and 70s and have never found one interview with Briscoe in them cept for a '63 new faces peiece in Ring... where it says Bennie was a qualified hairdresser!
Bad Bennie a qualified hairdresser? Imagine getting your hair cut by him and he does a terrible job? What would you say?
"Thank you very much sir, and please keep the change". If you have any sense.
“Barbados” Joe Walcott—An absolute dynamo in the ring. He feared no one and often called out such fighters as Jim Jeffries and Tom Sharkey regardless of the fact that he was just a bit over five foot and one inch tall and rarely weighing in at more than one hundred and fifty pounds, but most of his bouts were at a lighter weight. Size meant absolutely nothing to Walcott as he fought and beat men much larger than he.
Terry McGovern—Power personified and the fore-bearer and probably the best of the aggressive style of seek and destroy type of boxing that would be seen again many times over by fighters such as Stanley Ketchel, Jack Dempsey and Mike Tyson. Not only was he a destroyer, but he could take it just as good as he dished it out. Plain and simply one of the greatest little men to ever step through the ropes!
Sam Langford—Like Walcott, Sam was almost always the smaller man in the ring, but what he lacked in size he more than made up for in heart, power, skill and durability. His career was one of the more unfortunate ones in that he never got a shot at any world title simple because he was too good!
Roy Jones Jr.—Talented like no other fighter I have ever seen. Before moving up to light heavyweight he was a vicious puncher who knocked opponents silly. His style was unlike any I had ever seen and rarely did he ever lose even a round. One of the few boxers, who was not an aggressive type, I really liked.
Felix Trinidad—Like a hunter he stalks an opponent throwing beautiful and crisp straight rights and left hooks. He never takes a backward step unless someone forces him to, but has that “never say die” attitude that true warriors possess. Always fights strong whether he is finishing off an opponent, or working for a points win, he never cruises and whether he is winning, or losing he fights the championship rounds just as a champion should.
Julian Jackson—What can I say, one of the hardest hitting fighters to ever lace the gloves on. His knockout of Herol Graham is all anyone needs to see to realize why he is a favorite of mine.
Julio Cesar Chavez—Such a pleasure to watch. Not a crippling one punch knockout specialist like Julian Jackson, but a bruising and vicious puncher with every punch in the book almost perfected. The hook to the liver was especially punishing. Just an all-around great fighter.
Arturo Gatti—Have glove…will fight…anywhere and anyone! The ultimate blood and guts man. His longevity is amazing considering all of the wars that he has been in and right now he is boxing as good, if not better than he ever has.
Jock McAvoy—Very few came any tougher than this British brawler. A brutal puncher that truly excelled in his few American appearances. A fighter in the truest sense of the word who was like a caged animal until the bell rang to unleash him on an opponent.
Hell, I could go on and on with too many favorites to name!
Terry McGovern—Power personified and the fore-bearer and probably the best of the aggressive style of seek and destroy type of boxing that would be seen again many times over by fighters such as Stanley Ketchel, Jack Dempsey and Mike Tyson. Not only was he a destroyer, but he could take it just as good as he dished it out. Plain and simply one of the greatest little men to ever step through the ropes!
Sam Langford—Like Walcott, Sam was almost always the smaller man in the ring, but what he lacked in size he more than made up for in heart, power, skill and durability. His career was one of the more unfortunate ones in that he never got a shot at any world title simple because he was too good!
Roy Jones Jr.—Talented like no other fighter I have ever seen. Before moving up to light heavyweight he was a vicious puncher who knocked opponents silly. His style was unlike any I had ever seen and rarely did he ever lose even a round. One of the few boxers, who was not an aggressive type, I really liked.
Felix Trinidad—Like a hunter he stalks an opponent throwing beautiful and crisp straight rights and left hooks. He never takes a backward step unless someone forces him to, but has that “never say die” attitude that true warriors possess. Always fights strong whether he is finishing off an opponent, or working for a points win, he never cruises and whether he is winning, or losing he fights the championship rounds just as a champion should.
Julian Jackson—What can I say, one of the hardest hitting fighters to ever lace the gloves on. His knockout of Herol Graham is all anyone needs to see to realize why he is a favorite of mine.
Julio Cesar Chavez—Such a pleasure to watch. Not a crippling one punch knockout specialist like Julian Jackson, but a bruising and vicious puncher with every punch in the book almost perfected. The hook to the liver was especially punishing. Just an all-around great fighter.
Arturo Gatti—Have glove…will fight…anywhere and anyone! The ultimate blood and guts man. His longevity is amazing considering all of the wars that he has been in and right now he is boxing as good, if not better than he ever has.
Jock McAvoy—Very few came any tougher than this British brawler. A brutal puncher that truly excelled in his few American appearances. A fighter in the truest sense of the word who was like a caged animal until the bell rang to unleash him on an opponent.
Hell, I could go on and on with too many favorites to name!
Favorite Fighters
I wonder how long Patterson had been fighting heavyweight when he said he could only go as low as 180 lbs. before feeling weak. I know that Patterson only weighed 178 for his heavyweight elimination bout with Hurricane Jackson, and 182 for his title fight with Archie Moore in 1956. It seems like he could have stayed in the Light Heavyweight division for awhile after that. Of course, once Patterson fought as a heavyweight for a few years, it probably would have been very difficult to go down to 175 lbs. without feeling weak.
Anyway, Patterson made a lot of money as Heavyweight Champion. I doubt that he could have made that kind of money as Light Heavyweight champ.
Another fighter who I liked was Tommy Hearns. I wish that Hearns first fought Leonard as a Junior Middleweight instead of Welterweight (both held titles at 154 lbs. and 147 lbs.). Hearns should have said that he could no longer make the 147 lb. limit. Of course, then Hearns may have never gotten his big money match with Leonard. Hearns was much stronger as a Junior Middleweight than as a Welterweight.
Anyway, Patterson made a lot of money as Heavyweight Champion. I doubt that he could have made that kind of money as Light Heavyweight champ.
Another fighter who I liked was Tommy Hearns. I wish that Hearns first fought Leonard as a Junior Middleweight instead of Welterweight (both held titles at 154 lbs. and 147 lbs.). Hearns should have said that he could no longer make the 147 lb. limit. Of course, then Hearns may have never gotten his big money match with Leonard. Hearns was much stronger as a Junior Middleweight than as a Welterweight.
...scypion...i don't remember when it was that i read patterson's comment about the 180 pund weight. i'm sure you're right, though, about his having been a heavyweight for some time, as he fought lighter in those fights you mention. it might have been as late as his liston fights, when there was some questioning about his ability to handle the stronger heavyweights, but i'm not positive. i usually find the answers to these things when i am looking something else up so maybe i'll run across it again then.
Sugar Ray Robinson: Little that ví (10 complete fights), showed me that he is most complete fighter on the ring.
Muhammad Ali: The one and only, and much more that boxing.
Marvin Hagler: The southpaw fighter more elegant than I saw in my life.
Roger Mayweather: I became fan of him seeing his bout with Vinny Pazienza.
Carlos Monzón: The great middleweight. Of the 10 best ones of all the times.
Muhammad Ali: The one and only, and much more that boxing.
Marvin Hagler: The southpaw fighter more elegant than I saw in my life.
Roger Mayweather: I became fan of him seeing his bout with Vinny Pazienza.
Carlos Monzón: The great middleweight. Of the 10 best ones of all the times.
I have a seemingly endless list of favorite fighters, but the ones that always make the final cut when when I'm forced to cut it short are Matthew Saad Muhammad and Cornelius Boza-Edwards. The main reasons for my choices boil down to that I like their styles and they always offer 100% entertainment value in all of their fights. These guys brought out the best in their opponents and themselves every single time out. Every single time.
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My favorite fighters of all time are:
1. Roberto Duran: Of course, to me he's #1. My childhood hero!!!
2. Muhammad Ali: Another childhood hero of mine.
3. Sugar Ray Leonard: Exceptional boxer with speed and power and intelligence.
4. Julio Cesar Chavez: Late 80s and early 90s, AWESOME!!!
5. Mike Tyson: Before Don King and Robin Givens
6. Eusebio Pedroza: Excellent Panamanian master that never got his due. He really wanted to prove that he was better than Salvador Sanchez
7. James Toney: All around great skills, warrior mentality
Of the old timers I like:
Kid Gavilan: What a fighter!!!
Ike Williams: Sorry I was not around in the 1940s...I would have gone to all his fights at MSG
Henry Armstrong: Of course, what a fighting machine!!!
Before 1920:
Joe Gans: Great master that some of his fights were questionable losses
Stanley Ketchel: I would have love to see his fights live at ringside.
1. Roberto Duran: Of course, to me he's #1. My childhood hero!!!
2. Muhammad Ali: Another childhood hero of mine.
3. Sugar Ray Leonard: Exceptional boxer with speed and power and intelligence.
4. Julio Cesar Chavez: Late 80s and early 90s, AWESOME!!!
5. Mike Tyson: Before Don King and Robin Givens
6. Eusebio Pedroza: Excellent Panamanian master that never got his due. He really wanted to prove that he was better than Salvador Sanchez
7. James Toney: All around great skills, warrior mentality
Of the old timers I like:
Kid Gavilan: What a fighter!!!
Ike Williams: Sorry I was not around in the 1940s...I would have gone to all his fights at MSG
Henry Armstrong: Of course, what a fighting machine!!!
Before 1920:
Joe Gans: Great master that some of his fights were questionable losses
Stanley Ketchel: I would have love to see his fights live at ringside.
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elmersalsa wrote:Oh my!!!, How could I forget 2 of my favorites??? Bobby Chacon and Sam Langford...True warriors of any era.
Christ yes! Bobby Chacon! if ever there was one fighter who deserved to be called a warrior it'd be Bobby Chacon... in fact I'd say Chacon and Mathew Saad Muhammad and Kelvin Seabrooks go down as the bravest fighters I've ever seen and the most exciting.
Many people seem not to even have heard of Kelvin Seabrooks, yet he was in a series of unbelivable fights that make the 'Rocky' fights seem tame in comparison.
Vaguely remember Seabrooks. He once hammered on of our top ex amateurs on the undercard of a Fenech titlefight as a leadup to a title challenge against him. For some reason it never happenedsilkov wrote:elmersalsa wrote:Oh my!!!, How could I forget 2 of my favorites??? Bobby Chacon and Sam Langford...True warriors of any era.
Christ yes! Bobby Chacon! if ever there was one fighter who deserved to be called a warrior it'd be Bobby Chacon... in fact I'd say Chacon and Mathew Saad Muhammad and Kelvin Seabrooks go down as the bravest fighters I've ever seen and the most exciting.
Many people seem not to even have heard of Kelvin Seabrooks, yet he was in a series of unbelivable fights that make the 'Rocky' fights seem tame in comparison.
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Seabrooks was a bit like a Bantam Saad Muhammad, a slow starter he'd get decked early then come back to win. He was one of those fighters who was pushed in the deep end from the start of his career and with mixed results, fought up at Feather against Tommy Cordova and Pat Cowdell before moving back to Bantam and picking up the IBF WOrld title and had a series of sensational defences before losing the title to Orlando Canizales.... another favourite of mine!.bollox wrote:Vaguely remember Seabrooks. He once hammered on of our top ex amateurs on the undercard of a Fenech titlefight as a leadup to a title challenge against him. For some reason it never happenedsilkov wrote:elmersalsa wrote:Oh my!!!, How could I forget 2 of my favorites??? Bobby Chacon and Sam Langford...True warriors of any era.
Christ yes! Bobby Chacon! if ever there was one fighter who deserved to be called a warrior it'd be Bobby Chacon... in fact I'd say Chacon and Mathew Saad Muhammad and Kelvin Seabrooks go down as the bravest fighters I've ever seen and the most exciting.
Many people seem not to even have heard of Kelvin Seabrooks, yet he was in a series of unbelivable fights that make the 'Rocky' fights seem tame in comparison.
