Pound for pound, best boxer of all time.

felly smarts · Post by **felly smarts** » 09 May 2005, 23:25

I'm talking about the guy that fights anyone and everyone and ducks no one.Pound for pound, who's the best?

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 09 May 2005, 23:28

The answer is contained in one of the following

1) Jorge Paez
2) Richard Butler
3) Ray Robinson
4) I M Gentle
5) Bruce Seldon

felly smarts · Post by **felly smarts** » 09 May 2005, 23:31

Its gotta' be I M Gentle

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 09 May 2005, 23:38

felly smarts wrote:Its gotta' be I M Gentle

Correct. Australian Lightheavy of the early 80's, ducked by all and sundry - Qawi, Spinks, even baldy Marvin Johnson wanted no part of him

felly smarts · Post by **felly smarts** » 09 May 2005, 23:47

That guy was 6-11-1. The only thing anybody was ducking was the question " So, why did you fight this bum?" He only fought for 4 years. I thought you were kidding so I had to look him up. With a name like that no wonder he got beat up in the ring. Can you imagin going home and telling your dad you got beat up by I M Gentle?

felly smarts · Post by **felly smarts** » 09 May 2005, 23:56

I was thinking on the lines of Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Ali or Holms. Even some of the recent fighters such Hopkins, Mayweather, Corralles and Roy Jr. The list could go on and on. There has been alot of great fighters over the past hundred or so years, who's the best?

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 10 May 2005, 00:05

I believe the answer you're looking for may be one R. Robinson

felly smarts · Post by **felly smarts** » 10 May 2005, 00:10

I wish I could argue with that but I have never seen him fight. I know at one time he was a bad ass. But didn't he get corrupted? I thought I seen somthing on TV about that. I wish I had the resources to find old fights like that. I try to watch them as often as I can on ESPN Classics.

felly smarts · Post by **felly smarts** » 10 May 2005, 00:11

Or am I thinking of Sonny Liston?

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 10 May 2005, 02:37

go to emule and search for fighters / boxing

J · Post by J » 10 May 2005, 08:29

1. S R R
2. Williie Pep

its the only two positions that never change when im asked to do a top ten.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 May 2005, 08:50

This question is harder to answer than most. In terms of technical ability, I think Willie Pepp deserves to be ranked above Robinson. However, Robinson made a greater impact, and was more exciting, and had more defining fights.

Archie Moore's incredible career warrants attention, as does Ezzard Charles, a guy who was unfortunate not to get a shot at LH, and who would have been the greatest cruiserweight of all time.

Henry Armstrong is my surprise pick. His prime didn't last as long as Sugar Ray's, but by christ he was pretty much invincible at welterweight during that prime.

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 10 May 2005, 10:10

what about jimmy wilde? flyweights always tend to get overlooked but this guy way always fighting bantam and featherweights and only lost on a bad decision, flu, fighting a bantamweight and once afer having been retired for 2 years.

J · Post by J » 10 May 2005, 10:15

YEAH the ghost with a hammer in his hand has a place in my top ten, probably lower end though.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 10 May 2005, 12:34

harry greb and sam langford

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 10 May 2005, 12:40

Look, it's all what ifs, what ifs. Plain and simple, the greatest fighters of ever were the Heavies and that makes Ali number 1. Argue or debate separately after that. The Heavies were the kings of the ring. Outside of the Heavies I'd probably pick Robinson

Scypion · Post by **Scypion** » 10 May 2005, 15:18

1. Ray Robinson
2. Muhammed Ali
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Roberto Duran
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Willie Pep
7. Charley Burley
8. Carlos Monzon
9. Salvador Sanchez
10. Kid Gavilan

This is a list that is mostly from the 1940's through the 1970's and in no particular order. I am sure that I left out some that deserve to be there, but this is just off the top of my head.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 10 May 2005, 15:41

I'd say if ever a fighter deserved to be number one pound for pound of all time then it should be Henry Armstrong... an amazing fighter who really could have been champ at Feather, Lightweight, Welterweight and Middleweight (he was robbed of the decision at Middleweight) and he wasn't fighting bums either.... he burnt out pretty quick (hardly surprising considering the fights he crammed into just a few years!) but at his peak Armstrong was probably the closest thing to an invincible fighter that there has ever been!.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 10 May 2005, 15:58

Ezzard Charles could have dominated in all the weight categories he fought in, because he fought all of the top guys in them.

I would class Ezzard as probably the most under-rated boxer ever, not by them in the know but almost always by those with a limited knowledge of the history of the game.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 May 2005, 06:23

walshb wrote:Look, it's all what ifs, what ifs. Plain and simple, the greatest fighters of ever were the Heavies and that makes Ali number 1. Argue or debate separately after that. The Heavies were the kings of the ring. Outside of the Heavies I'd probably pick Robinson

What the fornicate are you talking about?

We are not talking about who beat who, do you know what the term 'pound for pound' means.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 May 2005, 06:44

silkov wrote:I'd say if ever a fighter deserved to be number one pound for pound of all time then it should be Henry Armstrong... an amazing fighter who really could have been champ at Feather, Lightweight, Welterweight and Middleweight (he was robbed of the decision at Middleweight) and he wasn't fighting bums either.... he burnt out pretty quick (hardly surprising considering the fights he crammed into just a few years!) but at his peak Armstrong was probably the closest thing to an invincible fighter that there has ever been!.

Agreed. Overall, Robinson had the better skills, but in terms of invincibility I think that the little man was about as good as you can get. Between 1938 and 1940 at welterweight, he defended his belt 20 times, also losing his lightweight crown to Lou Ambers.

Bizzarrely, though he was best at welterweight, he often weighed in at under 140 for a lot of his welterweight bouts. The guy was amazing. Robinson is the better known name, but Armstrong's run was truly incredible. Brief, but incredible.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 11 May 2005, 13:04

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
silkov wrote:I'd say if ever a fighter deserved to be number one pound for pound of all time then it should be Henry Armstrong... an amazing fighter who really could have been champ at Feather, Lightweight, Welterweight and Middleweight (he was robbed of the decision at Middleweight) and he wasn't fighting bums either.... he burnt out pretty quick (hardly surprising considering the fights he crammed into just a few years!) but at his peak Armstrong was probably the closest thing to an invincible fighter that there has ever been!.
Agreed. Overall, Robinson had the better skills, but in terms of invincibility I think that the little man was about as good as you can get. Between 1938 and 1940 at welterweight, he defended his belt 20 times, also losing his lightweight crown to Lou Ambers.

Bizzarrely, though he was best at welterweight, he often weighed in at under 140 for a lot of his welterweight bouts. The guy was amazing. Robinson is the better known name, but Armstrong's run was truly incredible. Brief, but incredible.

Guess this is why he chose to fight Zivic rather than the man that beat him, Charley Burley

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 11 May 2005, 18:04

I may get bashed for this but................................................................J.C. CHAVEZ

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 11 May 2005, 21:14

Again we come down to "titles" and achievements and so many people 'blindly' don't know/realize to look beyond them!

As far as I'm concerned the GREATEST fighters of ALL-TIME are the 'UNSUNG' Hero's that these supposed Champions were afraid to meet..!

Robinson is GREAT, but he has his critics and how could we forget THEE most FEARED Charley Burley of Robinsons period... as well as a few others!

In Britain there was Jock McAvoy THEE most FEARED 'middleweight' in the World and yet on the home front here he had a most FEARED opponent whom he never met... Again in Britain we also had the Great Ernie Roderick whom could have quite easily won the World 'welterweight' title (though top man for years he only had one shot at it)...

And for my money (and God knows there are dozens more who deserve the recognition) THEE Best are...

Ezzard Charles and Lloyd Marshall.

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