Who is/ should coach Amir as a pro?

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 09 May 2005, 11:20

Dose anyone know who will coach him, furthermore who thinks would be good to coach him? there is an interesting artical in todays guardian by John Rawlling where he points out that Kahn needs a pro trainer to sort out his defence. Anyone got any thoughts on who he would do well to train him?

Assuming he turns pro with Warren (spit) then who are the most likely trainers for him?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 09 May 2005, 11:28

Man of the moment amongst Warren fighters would seem to be Billy Graham, but I reckon Brian Hughes might be a better bet myself, he's a good defensive coach, although he is getting on a bit now, he's got plenty of experience and he's brought through some excellent fighters. I think that because of Amir's build, and reach and height, he should be taught to box off the back foot, and plant his feet and punch when neccesary.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 09 May 2005, 11:52

I know it aint gonna happen, but if I was allegedly I would pack Amir off to Freddie Roach's gym in Hollywood.

J · Post by J » 09 May 2005, 11:55

liamlion wrote:I know it aint gonna happen, but if I was allegedly I would pack Amir off to Freddie Roach's gym in Hollywood.

what so he can learn how to be overated?

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 09 May 2005, 11:58

Does a trainer make the fighter or does the fighter make the trainer.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 09 May 2005, 11:59

Good thinking American training and sparing would be good for him if he is to get used to the pro game sadly Plank Warren often seems to think that the USA dosen't exist and therefore his fighters don't have to fight for world titles over there (god bless the WBU/WBO).

Has he any track record with roch et al I can't think of any.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 09 May 2005, 11:59

J wrote:
liamlion wrote:I know it aint gonna happen, but if I was allegedly I would pack Amir off to Freddie Roach's gym in Hollywood.
what so he can learn how to be overated?

What????? Freddie didnt do too bad a job with Steve Collins, James Toney and Manny Pacman.

Are the fighters ive mentioned overrated?

J · Post by J » 09 May 2005, 12:01

pac is for sure in my opinion.
possibly collins who was lets face it, lucky to come along at the end of eubank and benn's careers. Timing is everything.
Plus tyson.

dont notice him making too many stars neither do you, but very keen to take on the established upper echelon. Pac being an example.

its a double pun mate

I dont rate roach, mcgirt is a far better trainer in my view.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 09 May 2005, 12:11

What about INgle, dose he do much with Warren?

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 09 May 2005, 12:13

I appreciate you have your own opinions, but Pacman, alone, deserves credit for the way in which he handled Barrera with ease - a feet that certainly couldnt be done by any old fighter.

Didnt Tyson get dropped by Freddie after 1, perhaps 2 fights? Tyson is at fault for his decline, not anyone else!!

Though I also rate McGirt.

Have you seen Steve Collins' fight with a peak Mike McCallum? Jesus Collins if anything is underrated, he really was a good counter-puncher. If you havent seen the McCallum fight - do so. Remember around the same time Michael Watson fought McCallum and got mashed!

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 09 May 2005, 12:15

He won't need to worry about defence if he signs with Warren... not for the first 37 fights anyway.

It'll be Ukranian milkmen and Hungarian electricians for the first few years.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 09 May 2005, 12:21

josh fg wrote: Has he any track record with roch et al I can't think of any.

Yeah as well as Collins, Freddie worked with Alex Arthur for a short period - both fighters were under the sports network banner at the time.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 09 May 2005, 12:48

J wrote:pac is for sure in my opinion.
possibly collins who was lets face it, lucky to come along at the end of eubank and benn's careers. Timing is everything.
Plus tyson.

dont notice him making too many stars neither do you, but very keen to take on the established upper echelon. Pac being an example.

its a double pun mate

I dont rate roach, mcgirt is a far better trainer in my view.

The fact is, that people want to work with Roach. James Toney knows his boxing and has a tremendous amount of respect for Freddie Roach.

What has McGirt done that makes him better than Roach, just out of curiosity J, we're all entitled to our opinions, but McGirt's only claim to fame really is Arturo Gatti, who still has yet to beat a world class fighter at LW. Toney won the cruiserweight title and the heavyweight title with Roach.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 09 May 2005, 13:00

Jim mcdonell would keep his feet firmly on the ground, not sure how far jim oculd realistically take him though.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 09 May 2005, 15:18

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
J wrote:pac is for sure in my opinion.
possibly collins who was lets face it, lucky to come along at the end of eubank and benn's careers. Timing is everything.
Plus tyson.

dont notice him making too many stars neither do you, but very keen to take on the established upper echelon. Pac being an example.

its a double pun mate

I dont rate roach, mcgirt is a far better trainer in my view.
The fact is, that people want to work with Roach. James Toney knows his boxing and has a tremendous amount of respect for Freddie Roach.

What has McGirt done that makes him better than Roach, just out of curiosity J, we're all entitled to our opinions, but McGirt's only claim to fame really is Arturo Gatti, who still has yet to beat a world class fighter at LW. Toney won the cruiserweight title and the heavyweight title with Roach.

Toney was always class though, whereas gatti appeared to add a new dimension with McGirt

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 09 May 2005, 15:53

knockout wrote: Toney was always class though, whereas gatti appeared to add a new dimension with McGirt

Im a big fan of Toney. But prior to the Jirov fight, arguably Toney hadnt shown much class for a good 8 years, since before the Jones fight at least. Its easy to say that Toney has always been class, but this isnt true. Look at his record, during an 8 year lull, Toney was fighting for IBA and WBU titles - with losses to Montell Griffin.

Im sure that up until Toney's recent 'rebirth', if youd have said James Toney was class people would have laughed. He had become known as a bit of a desperate, bloated has-been. Big credit to James Toney AND freddie Roach for turning this around.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 09 May 2005, 18:33

liamlion wrote:
knockout wrote: Toney was always class though, whereas gatti appeared to add a new dimension with McGirt
Im a big fan of Toney. But prior to the Jirov fight, arguably Toney hadnt shown much class for a good 8 years, since before the Jones fight at least. Its easy to say that Toney has always been class, but this isnt true. Look at his record, during an 8 year lull, Toney was fighting for IBA and WBU titles - with losses to Montell Griffin.

Im sure that up until Toney's recent 'rebirth', if youd have said James Toney was class people would have laughed. He had become known as a bit of a desperate, bloated has-been. Big credit to James Toney AND freddie Roach for turning this around.

See what you're saying, liam, but I think knockout might be talking about the class of Toney the fighter (in terms of technique, etc.), instead of the calibre of his title reign. I've only seen him cleanly and completely beaten once - against Jones. Tiberi, Thadzi, McCallum(1+2), Griffin (only seen the first fight), all deserved the nod, but I don't feel any of them really got to Toney and made him feel truely beaten in the way Jones did.

bigped · Post by **bigped** » 09 May 2005, 18:45

As said earlier what about a few of warrens guys coach ingle???

Amir has speed and good reflexes ingle could help him use these to potential??

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 09 May 2005, 18:46

McGirt is training way to many guys. Some are leaving him because quite simply don't get enough attention cause he's always with someone training for a big fight.

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 10 May 2005, 07:14

Ingle needs to be given respect for whaT he s done but hw ud be seriously wrong for khan - way too unorthodox for khan orthodox style. also ingle doesnt allow sparring to the faCE something i think is important

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 10 May 2005, 07:17

Oliver Harrison?

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 10 May 2005, 07:28

He needs to pack his bags & head for the USA. When he gets over there, look in the phonebook & find out where a certain James McGirt lives!!!!!!!

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 10 May 2005, 07:31

Would love to see him with Ingle.

J · Post by J » 10 May 2005, 07:55

liamlion wrote:I appreciate you have your own opinions, but Pacman, alone, deserves credit for the way in which he handled Barrera with ease - a feet that certainly couldnt be done by any old fighter.

Didnt Tyson get dropped by Freddie after 1, perhaps 2 fights? Tyson is at fault for his decline, not anyone else!!

Though I also rate McGirt.

Have you seen Steve Collins' fight with a peak Mike McCallum? Jesus Collins if anything is underrated, he really was a good counter-puncher. If you havent seen the McCallum fight - do so. Remember around the same time Michael Watson fought McCallum and got mashed!

pac is overated massively in my book Naz would have eaten him for breakfast in his prime, he is living off that victory over MAB who had all that shit bout the plate in his head and didnt train as he would have liked, still an impressive victory agreed but he got schooled against Marquez and beaten up against Morales. Where is Pacquio's plan B if roiach is sucha great tactician and trainer, he doesnt fornicating have one. So he can train Pac to be pac and Toney to be toney. In fairness theres a lot of people out there who could do that.

Roach for me always takes the star names, big deal. I can take a star and turn him into a errrrr a star. Proves nothing to me.

JimStone · Post by **JimStone** » 10 May 2005, 08:03

Kevin wrote:Oliver Harrison?

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned him, Kev. It was in the paper a couple of months ago that he was going to train Amir.