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[orbtastic]

Does training in Big Bear make a difference? The fight is in London afterall not effing La Paz

Manchester is higher up than London.

[dberry]

I wonder how much of it will be a Placebo effect. Whose off to Tesco to try get juiced up.

Um, I think if there is a clinical study and it shows that there is an increase in red blood cell production from those who had taken the beetroot as opposed to no extra red blood cell production from those that didn't then there would be no room for a placebo effect

[banjo]

Does training in Big Bear make a difference? The fight is in London afterall not effing La Paz

Manchester is higher up than London.

That's what looking at prices for weekends in London does

[stujones]

I wonder how much of it will be a Placebo effect. Whose off to Tesco to try get juiced up.

Um, I think if there is a clinical study and it shows that there is an increase in red blood cell production from those who had taken the beetroot as opposed to no extra red blood cell production from those that didn't then there would be no room for a placebo effect

There are critical flaws many of these studies. Were the control and the non-controls locked in a cage on the exact same diet, making sure they conducted the exact same exercise regime at the same time?

There have been loads of studies, due to the individual variability of altitude training, that have put a question how "big a deal" red blood cell production is in performance. How much of a physical impact does it do, or how much of it is psychological.

I definately think it is a combination of both, having done studies on the placebo effect of drugs as a performance enhancer, there is no doubt that telling people that red cell production is going to enhance performance plays a big big factor on its role.

A great book on the psychological effect on Drugs - written about in entirely anecdotal terms is Breaking the Chain by Willie Voet.

I'm not dismissing that Beetroot can enhance Red Blood Cell production, but I do think the benefits of an increase in RBC are also psychological.

[dberry]

Nice reply , I didn't expect that

[stujones]

On a side issue, hasn't Audley got a degree in Sport Science? I'm sure he has.

[reggaereggae]

On a side issue, hasn't Audley got a degree in Sport Science? I'm sure he has.

Correct.

On the general topic of conversation, after watching Audley against Coleman Barrett I can only see him getting bombed out. I'm sure David will come out smoking and wiill catch him.

However Audley is obviously severely pumped up, and training very hard and seriously. And we should assume he will be the best prepared ever.

On the other hand, I disagree with the posters who say Audley has looked 'dynamic' at times....I don't believe he's looked dynamic against anyone half-decent (Williams came in very late and was shot.)

I think the fight will go like this - David will come out blasting; Audley will try to ride it out. If he does ride out the early attacks, things get interesting. David could expend a lot of energy, he might get frustrated and leave himself open....

But I feel Davis is too explosive, hard-hitting and fast and will catch Audley with a bomb.

[notonurnelly]

All,

Just a very quick one on the Beetroot thing, I have been drinking Beetroot soup quite regularly (about 2 Months) Monday to Friday at work for lunch. I got a taste for it on a visit to Poland with the missus. I could not figure out why my race (Running) times over the last few months have improved so much. I have only been running (training) on a Wednesday and Racing at the Weekend. In my latest 5K race I did a Sub 20min PB, I have not been able to even touch that for 7 Years.

Until I read this thread, I could not understand what I was doing differently apart from running less than I have done in the past.

After reading this thread, I did a quick google search and found the article on The Exeter University Study.

I get my soup from the world food section in Asda (its Polish) £1.67 for 1l. I seriously think this is what could be having an effect on my running. I have also felt generally more comfortable in races as well as the PB.

Give it a whirl and let me know your findings.

Cheers
Jamie

[n1ebf]

But I feel Davis is too explosive, hard-hitting and fast and will catch Audley with a bomb.

half a bomb would be sufficient....or a rumour of a bomb, and it's Hedgehog/ Rabbit time.........don't look at the lights Audley, ignore the little voice telling you to stand still.......can he do that?? maybe, but not for long. I give this fight one to two rounds personally although I love to see Audley come for a fcking good career redeeming tear-up, but surely it can't happen.

[StevenB]

I think Sky and Audley have done a wonderful job of convincing the public and the boxing trade that he has a good chance in this fight. I have a lot of respect for Ed Robinson and his views and it's true, it's a heavyweight fight, Audley can punch and he has a slight chance.

But, if we cut through the bravado, let's not forget...

Audley has lost to Danny Williams, got put to sleep by Michael Sprott, lost to Martin Rogan and was losing against Sprott again before landing the big one.

Kevin Mitchell was talking a great fight before Katsidis and then promptly lost it on the way to the ring and went into the fight mentally all wrong. Of course, they're different people, but I think once Audley is on his way to the ring and he realises talk is cheap and that he's about to get in with someone 10 times better than anyone he's ever boxed, who could knock him spark out at any moment, he will revert to type.

Haye will respect Audley's power but Audley's not going to be coming forward, looking to land big punches is he! Unless David is very careless, I see him stopping a petrified Harrison in 4 rounds.

All that said, unlike some other posters I'm buying it, I'm looking forward to it and as a neutral I hope it turns out into a great fight.

[ed robinson]

I've just re read the thread and perhaps I should have kept quiet! I was lucky enough to see Audley in Big Bear and that's why I was voicing an opinion but I do also work for Sky and I don't want people to think that I'm saying Audley is in a good mental state because I'm trying to sell something. If he wasn't then I just wouldn't write on here! He just looked good to me. I spent the day today rushing between Mick Carney down the Fitzroy Lodge, then Terry Edwards in Orpington and finally Tony Burns at the Repton, three great MBE's! None of them are too sure what's going to happen, reading Boxing Monthly it seems that most think Haye should do it but that Harrison could do it, seems fair enough.

[MightyWarrior]

I've just re read the thread and perhaps I should have kept quiet! I was lucky enough to see Audley in Big Bear and that's why I was voicing an opinion but I do also work for Sky and I don't want people to think that I'm saying Audley is in a good mental state because I'm trying to sell something. If he wasn't then I just wouldn't write on here! He just looked good to me. I spent the day today rushing between Mick Carney down the Fitzroy Lodge, then Terry Edwards in Orpington and finally Tony Burns at the Repton, three great MBE's! None of them are too sure what's going to happen, reading Boxing Monthly it seems that most think Haye should do it but that Harrison could do it, seems fair enough.

Oh right the Boxing Monthly is out with the preview is it? Should be interesting I'll look out for that tomorrow. Also interesting, that while seemingly 90% of the fans are writing this off as a 2 round mismatch, there's a lot of boxing people who aren't too sure.

[oliverfennell]

Verus Sprott he got his arse worked off him, fair do's, it emerged he was injured....It made no difference, he would still have been outworked had he been fit.

How on earth can you say that? Nobody knows what would have happened. It's like saying Danny Williams would still have struggled against Mark Potter, or Tommy Hearns would still have lost to Uriah Grant. Maybe, maybe not, but you can't say they WOULD HAVE as if it's the most obvious thing in the world.

[oliverfennell]

Is this his usual training program, or is he really up for this?

Don't you think he might have a slightly more advanced training prog for a world heavyweight championship match?

[oliverfennell]

- it was Eddie Hearn who mentioned it to me - he probably meant a hyperbolic chamber. Either way they seemed convinced that the altitude training wouldn't go to waste.

If ever there was a suitable place for Audley, it's a hyperbolic chamber!

Think you meant hyperbaric...

[oliverfennell]

[quote="orbtastic"]He looked ok in the first couple of rounds in the 1st Sprott fight before Sprott came back with something and he retreated into his shell.

He does the same thing again and again. He talks a good fight but I think mentally just can't put it together when under pressure. quote]

1) As mentioned ad infinitum, there were very valid reasons for the change in the fight's complexion.

2) Audley actually does better under pressure. It's a misconception that he is forced into his shell by aggression or being hurt. Consider he's won two of his rematches and found the punches to not only win but save his career last time out. Also some of his better KOs have come against boxers who pressured him, and even in the much-maligned first Williams fight, his best work came after being dropped. True to say he can be overly tentative and not take offensive opportunities when they present themselves, but he's actually better when forced to fight.

[oliverfennell]

Bigmark Yeah everyone forgets that Audley does have skills and when fired up can produce like the second Danny williams fight

Lets not forget Danny Williams got that fight at a weeks notice.

Let's not forget Williams was already six weeks into training for Scott Gammer and had dropped a stone and a half from his previous fight.

I know it was still far from perfect prep for him, but let's not perpetrate the myth that he was he was completely unprepared. Even Danny himself said he had already been well into training when he got the call.

[stujones]

He looked ok in the first couple of rounds in the 1st Sprott fight before Sprott came back with something and he retreated into his shell.

He does the same thing again and again. He talks a good fight but I think mentally just can't put it together when under pressure. quote]

1) As mentioned ad infinitum, there were very valid reasons for the change in the fight's complexion.

2) Audley actually does better under pressure. It's a misconception that he is forced into his shell by aggression or being hurt. Consider he's won two of his rematches and found the punches to not only win but save his career last time out. Also some of his better KOs have come against boxers who pressured him, and even in the much-maligned first Williams fight, his best work came after being dropped. True to say he can be overly tentative and not take offensive opportunities when they present themselves, but he's actually better when forced to fight.

Oliver, what was the reason for the change of complexion for the FIRST Sprott fight? I don't know... shoulder injury again?

[SAPFO]

Is this his usual training program, or is he really up for this?

Don't you think he might have a slightly more advanced training prog for a world heavyweight championship match?

Well the way he talks you would assume he has been training for this all his life...

[orbtastic]

He looked ok in the first couple of rounds in the 1st Sprott fight before Sprott came back with something and he retreated into his shell.

He does the same thing again and again. He talks a good fight but I think mentally just can't put it together when under pressure. quote]

1) As mentioned ad infinitum, there were very valid reasons for the change in the fight's complexion.

2) Audley actually does better under pressure. It's a misconception that he is forced into his shell by aggression or being hurt. Consider he's won two of his rematches and found the punches to not only win but save his career last time out. Also some of his better KOs have come against boxers who pressured him, and even in the much-maligned first Williams fight, his best work came after being dropped. True to say he can be overly tentative and not take offensive opportunities when they present themselves, but he's actually better when forced to fight.

Oliver, what was the reason for the change of complexion for the FIRST Sprott fight? I don't know... shoulder injury again?

We're talking about a fight where he was knocked cold in 3 rounds, and a fight where he put in perhaps the most negative, abject, miserable performance many people have witnessed in a British ring for decades?

He dropped Sprott early, but as soon as Sprott came back with something in the 2nd he just shut up shop and went all negative until he was poleaxed.

The Williams "fight"..jeez, did the pair of them throw more than 100 punches between them the whole 12 rounds? It was a complete no fight with Audley tentatively throwing a jab sporadically.

The same with the Guinn fight, he just retreated into his shell as soon as Guinn got remotely aggressive. Awful spectacle.

[orbtastic]

Audley has the physical tools - height, jab, southpaw & speed etc but he just rarely puts it together and seems to lack the mental capacity to get the results he so often promises.

Remember Danny Williams chasing him round at the press conference and Audley hiding behind a desk?

I think if he gets that jab going as on offensive weapon, he could cause Haye some problems but I just don't think it'll happen.

You're right in that he put in some effort in the 10th (last?) round against Guinn but that was after 9 miserable rounds where he barely threw a punch and he knew he was losing. The same again in that awful fight with Williams where he threw caution to the wind slightly after being knocked down but it was fleeting. The same could be said with the Sprott fight where he was a mile behind on points and literally needed a knockout to win.

Let's be frank here though - This is Dominic Guinn, Danny Williams and Michael Sprott - He's in with Haye, and no matter which of the love him/loathe him camp you fall in, he does have power and he is aggressive and he is better than all 3 of those guys.

[freddydoesdallas]

I've just re read the thread and perhaps I should have kept quiet! I was lucky enough to see Audley in Big Bear and that's why I was voicing an opinion but I do also work for Sky and I don't want people to think that I'm saying Audley is in a good mental state because I'm trying to sell something. If he wasn't then I just wouldn't write on here! He just looked good to me. I spent the day today rushing between Mick Carney down the Fitzroy Lodge, then Terry Edwards in Orpington and finally Tony Burns at the Repton, three great MBE's! None of them are too sure what's going to happen, reading Boxing Monthly it seems that most think Haye should do it but that Harrison could do it, seems fair enough.

Oh right the Boxing Monthly is out with the preview is it? Should be interesting I'll look out for that tomorrow. Also interesting, that while seemingly 90% of the fans are writing this off as a 2 round mismatch, there's a lot of boxing people who aren't too sure.

When the fight was announced, everyone and their dog stated it was a mismatch and wasn't worth the time of day. What has Harrison done in the meantime to make anyone think differently? Talked a good game, spoke about fulfulling his destiny, said he's trained hard and in great shape?

It's the same old BS from Harrison and i can't believe people are falling for the hype. The only way he wins is through a head down, big swinging, lucky punch, nothing more nothing less. No plan to execute just hit and hope

[jamesmcdonnell]

Bigmark Yeah everyone forgets that Audley does have skills and when fired up can produce like the second Danny williams fight

Lets not forget Danny Williams got that fight at a weeks notice.

Let's not forget Williams was already six weeks into training for Scott Gammer and had dropped a stone and a half from his previous fight.

I know it was still far from perfect prep for him, but let's not perpetrate the myth that he was he was completely unprepared. Even Danny himself said he had already been well into training when he got the call.

Danny ALWAYS says that.

Danny may have been lighter, but he looked in pretty crap condition on the night, and fought like an asthamtic sloth with an inner ear problem.

[reggaereggae]

As an aside, my missus is scarily accurate when it comes to predicting the big fights, she uses a mix of instinct and knowledge and after seeing Audley on Ringside last week she is certain that he will win. Says you can tell when he is going to lose or box badly as he gets all shifty in front of the camera and during the ring walk, he looks focussed for this one.
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Are you going out with Mystic Meg?

My ex used to decide who was the winner on who had the worst shorts, and she was generally 90% right. Maybe I should ring her once they're both in the ring stripped to their shorts and find out who will win!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hahaha! It's true though. the guy with the cheap ass shorts is usually NOT the house fighter, and therefore brought over to lose. If they both have fairly

Also, generally, though obviously there are exceptions the more body hair and/or tattoos a fighter has, the worse they seem to be. I am not sure why this should be so, but it seems generally true.