British Top 30 P4P November 2010

[Horse]

1. (1.) David Haye
2. (2.) Amir Khan
3. (3.) Carl Froch
4. (4.) Nathan Cleverly
5. (5.) Rendall Munroe
6. (6.) Ricky Burns
7. (7.) Matthew Macklin
8. (8.) John Murray
9. (9.) Ryan Rhodes
10. (10.) Kell Brook

11. (11.) Matthew Hatton
12. (12.) Brian Magee (Irish)
13. (17.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
14. (13.) Kevin Mitchell
15. (14.) Junior Witter
16. (15.) Jamie McDonnell
17. (16.) Martin Lindsay (Irish)
18. (18.) Darren Barker
19. (19.) Jason Booth
20. (NE.) Stephen Foster

21. (20.) Andy Lee (Irish)
22. (21.) Dereck Chisora
23. (22.) Audley Harrison
24. (23.) Stephen Smith
25. (26.) Ola Afolabi
26. (NE.) Sam Webb
27. (24.) Nicky Cook
28. (25.) Ajose Olusegun
29. (27.) Enzo Maccarinelli
30. (28.) John Duddy (Irish)

Out - (29.) Craig Watson
Out - (30.) John Simpson

[Horse]

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

[avidlemon]

I think itsgreat swifty is on the list, but I would have smigga in ahead of him tbh, he holds a more prestigious title, and has defended it also

[kamicazze]

ricky burns would be ahead of munroe. paul smith should be in there. herbie hide, john murray, gavin rees should all be in there.

[avidlemon]

I also think it's hard to justify Nicky cook or wittier any more. Correct me if wrong but wasn't cook last out against Martinez?

[bigh]

junior witter at 15 ur having a laugh!!!

[winkveron]

Stephen Smith ahead of his brother Paul?

[robpalmer135]

Would have Burns ahead of Munroe now and Cleverly behind both.

John Murray, Stephen Smith should be lower. Audley and Duddy should not be ranked.

and as I say every month, its time to drop Nicky Cook.

Biran Magee, Darren Barker, Alafoabi and Ajose should be higher. Paul Smith 100% top 30.

[smoggy7188]

Where is Paul Smith? I think Stuart Hall must be gettin close to the top thirty with a good win over Napa and a solid defence. How do Witter and Cook get in the list when neither have fought in the last year and they both lost in their last outings? If Ola Afolabi had the concentration to fight for the 12 rounds he would be a world champion, underated fighter.

[robpalmer135]

Where is Paul Smith? I think Stuart Hall must be gettin close to the top thirty with a good win over Napa and a solid defence. How do Witter and Cook get in the list when neither have fought in the last year and they both lost in their last outings? If Ola Afolabi had the concentration to fight for the 12 rounds he would be a world champion, underated fighter.

he signed with the klitsckos recently. shame a UK promoter didnt try and do something with him.

[LeedsLad]

I'd have Froch and Khan above Haye.

[Horse]

I think itsgreat swifty is on the list, but I would have smigga in ahead of him tbh, he holds a more prestigious title, and has defended it also

Stephen Smith beat John Simpson who was ranked in the P4P top 30 at the time Stephen beat him. I believe that Stephen Smith's victory against Simpson is a better win than any single win Paul Smith has on his record.

Stephen Smith's win against Simpson is the only significant win he has on his record. Whereas Paul Smith has wins against Quigley, Dodson, Renda, Banks and Reid et cetera. So, I can see why some people might think Paul should be ranked above his brother, but for me Stephen's victory against Simpson is the only win that is clearly a top 30 P4P class win.

[Horse]

ricky burns would be ahead of munroe.

If Burns beats Evensen in December then he will probably overtake Munroe.

paul smith should be in there. herbie hide, john murray, gavin rees should all be in there.

John Murray is already in the rankings at No. 8. Paul Smith is close to a place on the list, but I didn't think his recent wins were convincing enough for him to enter the rankings. Hide hasn't had a big win in years, so I don't think he deserves to be in the top 30. Rees will probably enter the rankings if he can beat Watson later this month.

[Smigga]

I think itsgreat swifty is on the list, but I would have smigga in ahead of him tbh, he holds a more prestigious title, and has defended it also

Stephen Smith beat John Simpson who was ranked in the P4P top 30 at the time Stephen beat him. I believe that Stephen Smith's victory against Simpson is a better win than any single win Paul Smith has on his record.

Stephen Smith's win against Simpson is the only significant win he has on his record. Whereas Paul Smith has wins against Quigley, Dodson, Renda, Banks and Reid et cetera. So, I can see why some people might think Paul should be ranked above his brother, but for me Stephen's victory against Simpson is the only win that is clearly a top 30 P4P class win.

This is where you contradict yourself Horse.
Martin Concepcion is seemingly a great win compared to any I've had (Quigley, Renda, Banks, Dodson, Reid etc) because Sam Webb's entered straight in at number 26!
Martin has never held a half decent title, Dodson & Quigley were British champions.

I really do not care about entering these but you contradict your own criteria constantly
As for wins being convincing to you, Webb's vs Small was far from convincing but I suppose you'll say his cut was the reason behind that

[Horse]

I also think it's hard to justify Nicky cook or wittier any more. Correct me if wrong but wasn't cook last out against Martinez?

Yes, Cook's last fight was against Martinez. Cook is likely to fall out of the rankings in the next few months, so I might as well leave him there until he falls out.

Witter is planning to make a comeback in December, so I don't see a need to take him out of the rankings at the moment.

http://www.livefight.com/news.php?news_ ... =2010&m=10

[Horse]

This is where you contradict yourself Horse.
Martin Concepcion is seemingly a great win compared to any I've had (Quigley, Renda, Banks, Dodson, Reid etc) because Sam Webb's entered straight in at number 26!
Martin has never held a half decent title, Dodson & Quigley were British champions.

I really do not care about entering these but you contradict your own criteria constantly
As for wins being convincing to you, Webb's vs Small was far from convincing but I suppose you'll say his cut was the reason behind that

I consider Quigley and Dodson to be better than Concepcion, but I consider Small to be better than all of them.

Although I didn't enter Webb straight away after his win against Small, I still took that win into consideration when considering whether to enter him after his recent win against Concepcion, and I decided that he had done enough to enter. Without his fairly recent win against Small then a win against Concepcion would not have been enough.

[Tommy Gunn13]

Good ratings but id put Magee,McCloskey&McDonnell above Hatton...
I also agree with Smigga how can you rate Webb instead of him??

[hurlock]

cant you mention smigga on (out) atleast

[hurlock]

chisora should be higher.

witter,maccarenelli,cook, mitchell, are inactive or retired they shouldnt be amongst it.

alosegun aint british either

[Horse]

junior witter at 15 ur having a laugh!!!

Too high? Too low?

[Horse]

Stephen Smith ahead of his brother Paul?

Yes.

[avidlemon]

Small is an overrated fighter.

I like your list in general horse, but the smith issue arises every month, because he should be on it! Go on admit it!!

[29sek]

Not a bad list - I think Stephen & Paul Smith should be in it but around the 29-30 mark. Andy Lee is a bit high for me.

[JDC]

Legitimate world level opperator Ola Afolabi still way too low.

[stujones]

Legitimate world level opperator Ola Afolabi still way too low.

Yeah, picked up a decent, dominant, win on the Klitchsko bill - and still wore the Union Jack on his shorts.