We're right here with you Frank. The prayers are still going out.kikibalt wrote:Thanks Chuck, doctors are keeping a close eye on him because his heart rate is too high, and they don't why....Chuck1052 wrote:Frank, I am happy that Tony is doing well after undergoing surgery. Hope that he recovers completely from the injuries that he sustained in the accident.
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Thanks RandyRandyman wrote:We're right here with you Frank. The prayers are still going out.kikibalt wrote:Thanks Chuck, doctors are keeping a close eye on him because his heart rate is too high, and they don't why....Chuck1052 wrote:Frank, I am happy that Tony is doing well after undergoing surgery. Hope that he recovers completely from the injuries that he sustained in the accident.
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Yesterday, I walked down "Tony DeMarco Way" in the North End of Boston. Saw a photo of him fighting Basilio displayed in a store window. They are still proud of that North End boy!Rick Farris wrote:This is the photo of the monthbennie wrote:
Good one, Bennie!
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Belated best wishes to Tony and the rest of your family, Frank. (I've been off the internet since Thursday night.) We will keep you all in our prayers.kikibalt wrote:Thanks RandyRandyman wrote:We're right here with you Frank. The prayers are still going out.kikibalt wrote: Thanks Chuck, doctors are keeping a close eye on him because his heart rate is too high, and they don't why....
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Just talked to Connie, she tells me that Anthony's heart rate is back to normal...he had a good night
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Thanks Tom. For a while there it was pretty scary....raylawpc wrote:Belated best wishes to Tony and the rest of your family, Frank. (I've been off the internet since Thursday night.) We will keep you all in our prayers.kikibalt wrote:Thanks RandyRandyman wrote: We're right here with you Frank. The prayers are still going out.
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I hate Green Bay. 
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Connie while visiting Anthony called and put him on the phone, poor guy all he could do was mutter....
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Frank was Tony driving, or was he a pedestrian? I got hit by a car over 20 years ago while walking across the street in New Orleans. Broke my knee too - but no metal plate or broken ribs like Tony. Tell Tony the good news is he will be able to tell when the weather is about to change.
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He and a friend were riding bikes when a girl ran a stop light, she clip the friend and then hit Tony...raylawpc wrote:Frank was Tony driving, or was he a pedestrian? I got hit by a car over 20 years ago while walking across the street in New Orleans. Broke my knee too - but no metal plate or broken ribs like Tony. Tell Tony the good news is he will be able to tell when the weather is about to change.
LOL!!, I think he would rather not be able to tell about the weather change....
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When I see an LOL! and akikibalt wrote:He and a friend were riding bikes when a girl ran a stop light, she clip the friend and then hit Tony...raylawpc wrote:Frank was Tony driving, or was he a pedestrian? I got hit by a car over 20 years ago while walking across the street in New Orleans. Broke my knee too - but no metal plate or broken ribs like Tony. Tell Tony the good news is he will be able to tell when the weather is about to change.
LOL!!, I think he would rather not be able to tell about the weather change....
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kikibalt wrote:Just talked to Connie, she tells me that Anthony's heart rate is back to normal...he had a good night
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GANGLAND BRINGS NEW CRISIS IN AMERICAN BOXING
By Nat Fleischer
(The Ring, August 1959)
In the underworld, “blowing the whistle” is a heinous crime. Often it is punishable by death. That is the method pursued by gangsters when they are cornered.
“Never holler copper” is their slogan. It is their way of telling an honest citizen not to divulge any information that might jeopardize the cruel business transactions of the mobsters—or else.
That’s what the hoodlums, members of the notorious Frankie Carbo mobsters, recently told Jackie Leonard, Los Angeles boxing promoter, when he was about to squeal on Carbo and some of his followers who threatened him and Don Nesseth, manager of welterweight champion, Don Jordan, with bodily harm unless they turned over the fighter or permitted Carbo and Blinkv Palermo to “muscle” in on the management of the champion.
“We’re in on half,” Leonard and Nesseth testified before the California State Athletic Commission. When the demand for a part ownership of the fighter was turned down, the police testimony shows that a person who identified himself as Carbo said: “Nobody ever has done this to us. Somebody is going to get hurt.”
One of the police recordings contained the statement: “You’ll never know what hit you. Remember what happened to Ray Arcel.”
Yes, Leonard remembers. Arcel was hit over the head with a pipe wrapped in newspaper, and he suffered a fractured skull because he refused to listen to gangland’s threats to pay off part of his earnings for televising fights or get out of business.
Despite police protection, Leonard was badly injured in exactly the manner which that phone call predicted. He suffered a fractured skull, as did Arcel several years ago.
No more grateful news ever was received by the law abiding citizens in the boxing game than that the notorious Carbo has finally been apprehended and will face a court trial, which we hope and pray will put him behind bars for a long spell.
No man has done more ham to the sport than Carbo. None in all my long years of association with boxing has been more responsible for crime in boxing than Carbo.
He and his likes must be destroyed, like termites, if the sport is to regain the respect it had prior to the influx of the mobsters controlled by Mr. Gray, otherwise known as Frankie Carbo.
Our congratulations to both Nesseth and Leonard for having the “audacity” to expose the hoods, knowing as they did that it would be a most costly exposure, probably ending in permanent injury or even a fatality. The evildoers who have brought nothing but disgrace to boxing leave nothing undone to carry out their plans. The only way to remove their bad influence and restore public confidence in the sport is to place them in the clink.
That is a job for both local and the federal governments. Now that they have Carbo in their hands and several of the mobsters who have long been identified with the heroin trade and have had a hand in managing fighters, among them Gabriel Genovese, cousin of Mafia chieftain Vito Genovese who is serving a 15-years sentence on a narcotics charge, it will be a sad day for boxing if Carbo again beats the rap as he has done in several murder cases.
California has a fearless boxing commission and a chief investigator who has displayed no respect for gangland representatives. Licenses have been revoked and several unsavory characters have found that in California they are dealing with tough law enforcement agents Let’s hope that the intruders who black-jacked Jackie Leonard and threatened Don Nesseth, a quiet, soft-spoken, honest young businessman new to boxing, will be apprehended and dealt with accordingly
By Nat Fleischer
(The Ring, August 1959)
In the underworld, “blowing the whistle” is a heinous crime. Often it is punishable by death. That is the method pursued by gangsters when they are cornered.
“Never holler copper” is their slogan. It is their way of telling an honest citizen not to divulge any information that might jeopardize the cruel business transactions of the mobsters—or else.
That’s what the hoodlums, members of the notorious Frankie Carbo mobsters, recently told Jackie Leonard, Los Angeles boxing promoter, when he was about to squeal on Carbo and some of his followers who threatened him and Don Nesseth, manager of welterweight champion, Don Jordan, with bodily harm unless they turned over the fighter or permitted Carbo and Blinkv Palermo to “muscle” in on the management of the champion.
“We’re in on half,” Leonard and Nesseth testified before the California State Athletic Commission. When the demand for a part ownership of the fighter was turned down, the police testimony shows that a person who identified himself as Carbo said: “Nobody ever has done this to us. Somebody is going to get hurt.”
One of the police recordings contained the statement: “You’ll never know what hit you. Remember what happened to Ray Arcel.”
Yes, Leonard remembers. Arcel was hit over the head with a pipe wrapped in newspaper, and he suffered a fractured skull because he refused to listen to gangland’s threats to pay off part of his earnings for televising fights or get out of business.
Despite police protection, Leonard was badly injured in exactly the manner which that phone call predicted. He suffered a fractured skull, as did Arcel several years ago.
No more grateful news ever was received by the law abiding citizens in the boxing game than that the notorious Carbo has finally been apprehended and will face a court trial, which we hope and pray will put him behind bars for a long spell.
No man has done more ham to the sport than Carbo. None in all my long years of association with boxing has been more responsible for crime in boxing than Carbo.
He and his likes must be destroyed, like termites, if the sport is to regain the respect it had prior to the influx of the mobsters controlled by Mr. Gray, otherwise known as Frankie Carbo.
Our congratulations to both Nesseth and Leonard for having the “audacity” to expose the hoods, knowing as they did that it would be a most costly exposure, probably ending in permanent injury or even a fatality. The evildoers who have brought nothing but disgrace to boxing leave nothing undone to carry out their plans. The only way to remove their bad influence and restore public confidence in the sport is to place them in the clink.
That is a job for both local and the federal governments. Now that they have Carbo in their hands and several of the mobsters who have long been identified with the heroin trade and have had a hand in managing fighters, among them Gabriel Genovese, cousin of Mafia chieftain Vito Genovese who is serving a 15-years sentence on a narcotics charge, it will be a sad day for boxing if Carbo again beats the rap as he has done in several murder cases.
California has a fearless boxing commission and a chief investigator who has displayed no respect for gangland representatives. Licenses have been revoked and several unsavory characters have found that in California they are dealing with tough law enforcement agents Let’s hope that the intruders who black-jacked Jackie Leonard and threatened Don Nesseth, a quiet, soft-spoken, honest young businessman new to boxing, will be apprehended and dealt with accordingly
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Here is a gift of boxing history from our friend, Hap Navarro . . .
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Here is something else that made the Golden Era great in my day, Rick. Starting sometime in the 1930s the athletic commission helped to set up a couple of boxers homes in metropolitan LA, one at west third street and Westmoreland and the other at Jefferson blvd near Vermont avenue. These were places where visiting fighters in need could stay for a short time. The one on third street was managed by an old friend of amateur boxing named Tom Cox, who happened to be Henry Armstrong's early manager. The other home was under the direction of black trainer George Tolson, who also trained all of the Bert Lewis stab le offighters
When Cox died his place was taken by old time featherweight headliner Frankie Garcia. The commission had a 1% deducted from each main event fighter's purse for the boxers' fund which helped maintain the two homes.
I never knew the entire story on those homes, but I do know they existed and for the purposes I have mentioned. Great idea that eventually petered out.
take care my friend
Hap
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Here is something else that made the Golden Era great in my day, Rick. Starting sometime in the 1930s the athletic commission helped to set up a couple of boxers homes in metropolitan LA, one at west third street and Westmoreland and the other at Jefferson blvd near Vermont avenue. These were places where visiting fighters in need could stay for a short time. The one on third street was managed by an old friend of amateur boxing named Tom Cox, who happened to be Henry Armstrong's early manager. The other home was under the direction of black trainer George Tolson, who also trained all of the Bert Lewis stab le offighters
When Cox died his place was taken by old time featherweight headliner Frankie Garcia. The commission had a 1% deducted from each main event fighter's purse for the boxers' fund which helped maintain the two homes.
I never knew the entire story on those homes, but I do know they existed and for the purposes I have mentioned. Great idea that eventually petered out.
take care my friend
Hap
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Lost my Internet for 24 hours starting yesterday. Just got it back.
Frank, Sounds like Tony is improving but things like this cannot be hurried along. I am sure his ribs are sore like heck but he is a tough character and be up and at 'em soon. God Bless you all.
I went to the Jets game yesterday, the Jets didn't show up though.
Worst football I seen in awhile. Packers were there for the taken but Sanchez had no strength. Bad Call playing and coaching. Beware the bye week seems to be the chant.
Nice piece on Carbo and Palermo on there downfall in CA. , Rick.
They were the two most visible characters of boxing dark side and took the rap.The Muscle men. Rightly so too. But unfortunately, behind the scenes were a handful who never got touched who called the shots.At least here on the East Coast.
They couldn't be seen close to the game, but they did attend the fights.
They couldn't get licences but sent Palermo to get his.
The guys who ran the show and the big money behind the scenes were Jimmy Napoli (Genovese Capo) who spoke to the fighters. But, Frank Costello oversaw it all (along with Champ Segal,famed Murder Inc scion) and controlled changing the odds and decided who was going to fight. One of Costello's inside agents was Al Weill, who had Rocky and matched fighters for the Garden. There was an hierachy in place, and Carbo and Palermo were expendable.I would like to see what the book "Jacobs Beach" coming out here in the states in Dec. has to say on it. Heard many times here by fighters " One hand helps the other hand and both hands wash the face". Some played the game that way, some didnt.
Just want to add at last minute that Jimmy Napoli was a founding member of Ring 8 VBA, and was well known for helping Boxers who eventually found themselves down and out because of their bad finanancial decisions & advice. Many fighters did get paid well by the sport, via the mob but they lost it too, living the high life.
Napoli and Costello both picked up medical tabs and laid out cash to them for their past "services" when the tide turned on them much later after their careers. It's a matter of how you wish to view the subject.
The mob viewed it as strictly a "Entertainment " Venue with very little allegiance to who and when,with big money exchanging hands. Just like the ponies and casino gambling.
Personally, I am no way defending the darksides,though it might sound like it, of the sport here. It a trashy way to make a living but history was history.
Frank, Sounds like Tony is improving but things like this cannot be hurried along. I am sure his ribs are sore like heck but he is a tough character and be up and at 'em soon. God Bless you all.
I went to the Jets game yesterday, the Jets didn't show up though.
Worst football I seen in awhile. Packers were there for the taken but Sanchez had no strength. Bad Call playing and coaching. Beware the bye week seems to be the chant.
Nice piece on Carbo and Palermo on there downfall in CA. , Rick.
They were the two most visible characters of boxing dark side and took the rap.The Muscle men. Rightly so too. But unfortunately, behind the scenes were a handful who never got touched who called the shots.At least here on the East Coast.
They couldn't be seen close to the game, but they did attend the fights.
They couldn't get licences but sent Palermo to get his.
The guys who ran the show and the big money behind the scenes were Jimmy Napoli (Genovese Capo) who spoke to the fighters. But, Frank Costello oversaw it all (along with Champ Segal,famed Murder Inc scion) and controlled changing the odds and decided who was going to fight. One of Costello's inside agents was Al Weill, who had Rocky and matched fighters for the Garden. There was an hierachy in place, and Carbo and Palermo were expendable.I would like to see what the book "Jacobs Beach" coming out here in the states in Dec. has to say on it. Heard many times here by fighters " One hand helps the other hand and both hands wash the face". Some played the game that way, some didnt.
Just want to add at last minute that Jimmy Napoli was a founding member of Ring 8 VBA, and was well known for helping Boxers who eventually found themselves down and out because of their bad finanancial decisions & advice. Many fighters did get paid well by the sport, via the mob but they lost it too, living the high life.
Napoli and Costello both picked up medical tabs and laid out cash to them for their past "services" when the tide turned on them much later after their careers. It's a matter of how you wish to view the subject.
The mob viewed it as strictly a "Entertainment " Venue with very little allegiance to who and when,with big money exchanging hands. Just like the ponies and casino gambling.
Personally, I am no way defending the darksides,though it might sound like it, of the sport here. It a trashy way to make a living but history was history.
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Oh yeah . . .kikibalt wrote:He and a friend were riding bikes when a girl ran a stop light, she clip the friend and then hit Tony...raylawpc wrote:Frank was Tony driving, or was he a pedestrian? I got hit by a car over 20 years ago while walking across the street in New Orleans. Broke my knee too - but no metal plate or broken ribs like Tony. Tell Tony the good news is he will be able to tell when the weather is about to change.
LOL!!, I think he would rather not be able to tell about the weather change....
but if you're looking for a silver lining to the dark cloud of getting run over by a car, that's the only one I could think of . . . 
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Frank how did the docs appointment go ?, and are you going to Arizona later ?.
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When you see Tony tell him all the guys on here are rooting for him,
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Same as always, doctor comes in say hi and tells me to go see the girl at the desk and pay her....THEHAMMER321 wrote:Frank how did the docs appointment go ?, and are you going to Arizona later ?.
I'll tell Anthony you are rooting for him.....
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Frank, just read about Tony. You know i Am on the rooting Squad.
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Thanks Kevin....iskigoe wrote:Frank, just read about Tony. You know i Am on the rooting Squad.
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Not a having a mama sucks, I want my mama back, said James as he fix dinner for him and I....mama is in AZ. with Anthony, she will be coming home this weekend, I'm going to AZ. to bring her home, enough is enough!!....
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That's right, Frank! Now that we know Tony will be OK, Connie must refocus on her "kept man".kikibalt wrote:Not a having a mama sucks, I want my mama back, said James as he fix dinner for him and I....mama is in AZ. with Anthony, she will be coming home this weekend, I'm going to AZ. to bring her home, enough is enough!!....
You tell her that. Women just love it when you tell them what to do. They crave guidence and direction.
Just give them some orders and they fall right into place.
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Charlie . . . Thanks for this information.CNorkusJr wrote:Lost my Internet for 24 hours starting yesterday. Just got it back.
Frank, Sounds like Tony is improving but things like this cannot be hurried along. I am sure his ribs are sore like heck but he is a tough character and be up and at 'em soon. God Bless you all.
I went to the Jets game yesterday, the Jets didn't show up though.
Worst football I seen in awhile. Packers were there for the taken but Sanchez had no strength. Bad Call playing and coaching. Beware the bye week seems to be the chant.
Nice piece on Carbo and Palermo on there downfall in CA. , Rick.
They were the two most visible characters of boxing dark side and took the rap.The Muscle men. Rightly so too. But unfortunately, behind the scenes were a handful who never got touched who called the shots.At least here on the East Coast.
They couldn't be seen close to the game, but they did attend the fights.
They couldn't get licences but sent Palermo to get his.
The guys who ran the show and the big money behind the scenes were Jimmy Napoli (Genovese Capo) who spoke to the fighters. But, Frank Costello oversaw it all (along with Champ Segal,famed Murder Inc scion) and controlled changing the odds and decided who was going to fight. One of Costello's inside agents was Al Weill, who had Rocky and matched fighters for the Garden. There was an hierachy in place, and Carbo and Palermo were expendable.I would like to see what the book "Jacobs Beach" coming out here in the states in Dec. has to say on it. Heard many times here by fighters " One hand helps the other hand and both hands wash the face". Some played the game that way, some didnt.
Just want to add at last minute that Jimmy Napoli was a founding member of Ring 8 VBA, and was well known for helping Boxers who eventually found themselves down and out because of their bad finanancial decisions & advice. Many fighters did get paid well by the sport, via the mob but they lost it too, living the high life.
Napoli and Costello both picked up medical tabs and laid out cash to them for their past "services" when the tide turned on them much later after their careers. It's a matter of how you wish to view the subject.
The mob viewed it as strictly a "Entertainment " Venue with very little allegiance to who and when,with big money exchanging hands. Just like the ponies and casino gambling.
Personally, I am no way defending the darksides,though it might sound like it, of the sport here. It a trashy way to make a living but history was history.
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Can't tell Connie all that, Don't want to ruin a good thing.....Rick Farris wrote:That's right, Frank! Now that we know Tony will be OK, Connie must refocus on her "kept man".kikibalt wrote:Not a having a mama sucks, I want my mama back, said James as he fix dinner for him and I....mama is in AZ. with Anthony, she will be coming home this weekend, I'm going to AZ. to bring her home, enough is enough!!....
You tell her that. Women just love it when you tell them what to do. They crave guidence and direction.
Just give them some orders and they fall right into place.