Ali - Louis Head To Head, Both In There Primes, Who Wins?

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 01 Nov 2010, 09:59

Styles wise. Who wins?

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 01 Nov 2010, 11:51

Ali on points.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 01 Nov 2010, 17:48

Oldest topic in the book, I guess.

I wouldn't lay a dime on it, but if made to choose, I have a suspicion Louis gets him.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 01 Nov 2010, 17:57

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Oldest topic in the book, I guess.

I wouldn't lay a dime on it, but if made to choose, I have a suspicion Louis gets him.

Same, 15 rounds with your hands at your sides just seems like much too long. I think Joe could hang with Ali in the jab department and that can negate some of Ali's massive advantage in foot speed.

Pre-Layoff Ali I would definitely take Louis and that is where the majority consider Muhammad to be at his best.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 02 Nov 2010, 13:50

Ali on points, though I do think Louis would drop him at least once. This would look like a battle between all time greats. Although I pick Ali, I'm sure Louis would give him all he could handle.

McCannW14 · Post by **McCannW14** » 02 Nov 2010, 16:32

Louis by KO in about 11 rounds.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 02 Nov 2010, 17:16

Ali by TKO in 10 rounds. Too fast for a heavyweight. Louis did not had the best of chins either.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 03 Nov 2010, 00:43

Ali by late stoppage

Darling · Post by **Darling** » 03 Nov 2010, 02:08

gilgamesh wrote:Ali on points, though I do think Louis would drop him at least once. This would look like a battle between all time greats. Although I pick Ali, I'm sure Louis would give him all he could handle.

Louis is one of my favourite finishers.

I think if he got Ali in trouble, he could very well get him out of there.

Rating heavyweights peak vs peak, I think it's Ali & Louis, a fairly big gap, then the rest of the pack.

seattledirk · Post by **seattledirk** » 03 Nov 2010, 05:14

Ali on points. Louis wouldn't have knocked him out and couldn't have outpointed Ali. Then there are 30 years difference in nutrition and evolution on Ali's side. Same reason why Lennox Lewis > Ali.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 03 Nov 2010, 05:48

seattledirk wrote:Ali on points. Louis wouldn't have knocked him out and couldn't have outpointed Ali. Then there are 30 years difference in nutrition and evolution on Ali's side. Same reason why Lennox Lewis > Ali.

I gree with Ali over Louis, but not Lennox over Ali. Lewis never fought anyone that was as difficult to hit as Ali. A pre-ban Ali would have beaten Lewis with ease. Dundee would have worked out a fight plan. Ali would have have happily let Lewis have centre ring, stayed on the outside, leaned back from Lewis' punches and picked him off. I can't imagine even a prime Lewis going 15 rounds.

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 03 Nov 2010, 07:17

I may needs some eduaction here but would Louis have ben too slow for Ali?
I know Louis had serious KO power but would he have been able to put it on Ali?

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 03 Nov 2010, 09:31

Roars Like Me wrote:I may needs some eduaction here but would Louis have ben too slow for Ali?
I know Louis had serious KO power but would he have been able to put it on Ali?

Joe's hand speed was exceptional, and when he needed to he could deliver paralyzing power with extremely compact punches. His handspeed was one of his greatest assets.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 03 Nov 2010, 09:33

Roars Like Me wrote:I may needs some eduaction here but would Louis have ben too slow for Ali?
I know Louis had serious KO power but would he have been able to put it on Ali?

From the waist-down, Ali has a big advantage in footspeed (though not necessarily footwork), which would absolutely be problematic for Louis.

However, from the waist-up (specifically, handspeed) Louis gives up very little ground to any Heavyweight, even Ali. One of Ali's biggest problems (& some will tell you, his biggest, period) is Louis' handspeed, not his power. Ali leaning backward & swaying out of range with his hands low could potentially prove a recipe for disaster...no HW in history was as well-equipped as Louis to capitalise on that particular Ali trait.

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 03 Nov 2010, 09:36

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
Roars Like Me wrote:I may needs some eduaction here but would Louis have ben too slow for Ali?
I know Louis had serious KO power but would he have been able to put it on Ali?
From the waist-down, Ali has a big advantage in footspeed (though not necessarily footwork), which would absolutely be problematic for Louis.

However, from the waist-up (specifically, handspeed) Louis gives up very little ground to any Heavyweight, even Ali. One of Ali's biggest problems (& some will tell you, his biggest, period) is Louis' handspeed, not his power. Ali leaning backward & swaying out of range with his hands low could potentially prove a recipe for disaster...no HW in history was as well-equipped as Louis to capitalise on that particular Ali trait.

That's realy interesting thanks, did you have Louis yourself to take this fight?
On top of that who was comparable to Louis that Ali actually fought would you say?

Jaywheel · Post by **Jaywheel** » 03 Nov 2010, 09:57

gilgamesh wrote:This would look like a battle between all time greats.

Thanks for that.

Roars Like Me wrote:That's realy interesting thanks, did you have Louis yourself to take this fight?

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I wouldn't lay a dime on it, but if made to choose, I have a suspicion Louis gets him.

Was is earlier post in this thread answering that question too far back for you to go and read it?

Anyways, Louis takes this one over 15.

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 03 Nov 2010, 10:02

Jaywheel wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:This would look like a battle between all time greats.
Thanks for that.

Roars Like Me wrote:That's realy interesting thanks, did you have Louis yourself to take this fight?

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I wouldn't lay a dime on it, but if made to choose, I have a suspicion Louis gets him.
Was is earlier post in this thread answering that question too far back for you to go and read it?

Anyways, Louis takes this one over 15.

My guess is Goodnight would not have minded answering me regardless as it was him that I was talking too. Yes I could of scrolled up but didn't, sorry it was such an issue for you.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 03 Nov 2010, 10:20

Roars Like Me wrote:
Jaywheel wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:This would look like a battle between all time greats.
Thanks for that.

Roars Like Me wrote:That's realy interesting thanks, did you have Louis yourself to take this fight?

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I wouldn't lay a dime on it, but if made to choose, I have a suspicion Louis gets him.
Was is earlier post in this thread answering that question too far back for you to go and read it?

Anyways, Louis takes this one over 15.
My guess is Goodnight would not have minded answering me regardless as it was him that I was talking too. Yes I could of scrolled up but didn't, sorry it was such an issue for you.

There are some facists on here mate.

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 03 Nov 2010, 10:24

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Roars Like Me wrote:
Jaywheel wrote: Thanks for that.
Was is earlier post in this thread answering that question too far back for you to go and read it?

Anyways, Louis takes this one over 15.
My guess is Goodnight would not have minded answering me regardless as it was him that I was talking too. Yes I could of scrolled up but didn't, sorry it was such an issue for you.
There are some facists on here mate.

True enough, good name you've got there fella. I have Keith Moon's autobiography at home and keep meaning to read it.

Jaywheel · Post by **Jaywheel** » 03 Nov 2010, 10:29

Really wonder what Steve-O , gilgamesh, elmersalsa and Seamus take would be on this topic?
Can't wait for them to share their opinion on this matter.

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 03 Nov 2010, 10:41

Jaywheel wrote:Really wonder what Steve-O , gilgamesh, elmersalsa and Seamus take would be on this topic?
Can't wait for them to share their opinion on this matter.

I've got no idea as it happens.
From my perspective I couldn't fathom why you were annoyed that I hadn't seen Goodnight's earlier response, especially when it was specific to him?

Jaywheel · Post by **Jaywheel** » 03 Nov 2010, 10:56

mugabi already told you why, fascism baby

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 03 Nov 2010, 11:12

Jaywheel wrote:mugabi already told you why, fascism baby

I can't see anything from him anywhere - anyway you managed not to answer my question so I'll put it down to you having a grumpy morning on your behalf

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 03 Nov 2010, 11:13

SteveO wrote:Ali on points.

So did I.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 03 Nov 2010, 14:39

Jaywheel wrote:mugabi already told you why, fascism baby

Why did you say Mugabi?