Jr. Welterweights: Aaron Pryor vs Oscar De La Hoya

[elmersalsa]

Who wins this one. I pick Pryor by late rounds stoppage or easy decision.

[Idisagree]

No way. Oscar weathers the storm and stops Pryor in the second half of the fight. People forget that DLH had a good chin and plenty of skills to deal with a fighter like Pryor. Both at their best I pick Oscar to win 3 out 3 vs Pryor. With or without the black/blue bottle Oscar wins this one. Of course, Pryor would have never sign for this fight that much is clear.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I'll be the middle man then, & fall somewhere between you two.

De La Hoya has the tools, especially at Jr. Welter (IMO, his best weightclass, despite the brief stay). He was fast, he was brutally powerful, he was explosive & versatile --- as well as being fairly experienced by this time. Pryor, though, boy could this cat fight. Fella went off like a frog in a sock, & if there's one area you want to exploit in De La Hoya, it's his late-round conditioning...Pryor was a fucken whirlwind of activity, could that be the difference?

I'm undecided.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tough one to call, is it 12 or 15? You would be hard pressed to find a fight where that is more important. I'd expect Pryor to hit the canvas a couple of times early. Oscar was significantly bigger than Aaron. I don't see pryor being able to stop him, but he would be charging down the stretch if he was still around.

I'll take Oscar by dec in 12, not real sure about 15. I'm only certain that there would be nothing easy about it for either of them.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Well for one thing, Oscar would've had at least 12 lbs. on Pryor in the ring, which IMO makes the major difference. I think early on Oscar would be punishing Aaron and maybe even drop him, before Aaron starts boxing more instead of bum-rushing, which would give DLH a lot more problems simply because Oscar always had trouble chasing guys down. Both have excellent chins too, so honestly I see Oscar winning a failry close decision over 12 and maybe stopping Pryor in the very last round of a 15 rounder, but still most likely taking a decision.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I would be hard pressed to think Oscar would be getting the best of a 15th round. I'd bet large against it.

[Idisagree]

I would be hard pressed to think Oscar would be getting the best of a 15th round. I'd bet large against it.

Why? Prime DLH always showed he had good stamina. I think he would have been stronger than Pryor. If DLH use his above average jab, Pryor would've a tough time getting inside. I honestly don't see Pryor winning this one whether is 12 or 15 rounds.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I would be hard pressed to think Oscar would be getting the best of a 15th round. I'd bet large against it.

Why? Prime DLH always showed he had good stamina. I think he would have been stronger than Pryor. If DLH use his above average jab, Pryor would've a tough time getting inside. I honestly don't see Pryor winning this one whether is 12 or 15 rounds.

DLH never showed the type of stamina Pryor had, that's not even getting into the fact that he has never seen a 15th round. If his strength advantage was that pronounced there wouldn't be a 15th round.

I lean towards Oscar winning, but I see him holding on down the stretch, be it 12 or 15. Aaron put on a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen.

[Idisagree]

I would be hard pressed to think Oscar would be getting the best of a 15th round. I'd bet large against it.

Why? Prime DLH always showed he had good stamina. I think he would have been stronger than Pryor. If DLH use his above average jab, Pryor would've a tough time getting inside. I honestly don't see Pryor winning this one whether is 12 or 15 rounds.

DLH never showed the type of stamina Pryor had, that's not even getting into the fact that he has never seen a 15th round. If his strength advantage was that pronounced there wouldn't be a 15th round.

I lean towards Oscar winning, but I see him holding on down the stretch, be it 12 or 15. Aaron put on a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen.

Its true that Aaron would've put a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen. However, Aaron would've a tough time (assuming Oscar used his excellent jab) getting inside, and at the same time getting tag too much in return. Oscar was a decent counter-puncher too and was well suited to keep Pryor at a distance in which he would've controlled the fight. No need for Oscar to go toe to toe vs Pryor. If he plays smart he would have won.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Why? Prime DLH always showed he had good stamina. I think he would have been stronger than Pryor. If DLH use his above average jab, Pryor would've a tough time getting inside. I honestly don't see Pryor winning this one whether is 12 or 15 rounds.

DLH never showed the type of stamina Pryor had, that's not even getting into the fact that he has never seen a 15th round. If his strength advantage was that pronounced there wouldn't be a 15th round.

I lean towards Oscar winning, but I see him holding on down the stretch, be it 12 or 15. Aaron put on a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen.

Its true that Aaron would've put a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen. However, Aaron would've a tough time (assuming Oscar used his excellent jab) getting inside, and at the same time getting tag too much in return. Oscar was a decent counter-puncher too and was well suited to keep Pryor at a distance in which he would've controlled the fight. No need for Oscar to go toe to toe vs Pryor. If he plays smart he would have won.

Pryor worked angles well and a jab isn't enough to hold him off. I don't have issue with Oscar winning, I've said more than once I'd slightly favor him. Having him the stronger man during the championship rounds of a fifteen rounder is what I found silly.

[Diamond WEAPON]

DLH never showed the type of stamina Pryor had, that's not even getting into the fact that he has never seen a 15th round. If his strength advantage was that pronounced there wouldn't be a 15th round.

I lean towards Oscar winning, but I see him holding on down the stretch, be it 12 or 15. Aaron put on a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen.

Its true that Aaron would've put a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen. However, Aaron would've a tough time (assuming Oscar used his excellent jab) getting inside, and at the same time getting tag too much in return. Oscar was a decent counter-puncher too and was well suited to keep Pryor at a distance in which he would've controlled the fight. No need for Oscar to go toe to toe vs Pryor. If he plays smart he would have won.

Pryor worked angles well and a jab isn't enough to hold him off. I don't have issue with Oscar winning, I've said more than once I'd slightly favor him. Having him the stronger man during the championship rounds of a fifteen rounder is what I found silly.

Yeah, considering his stamina issues, Aaron would likely get the better of it that far into a fight, but I doubt he'd be fighting at as quick a pace as early on because the shots Oscar would land would take a greater toll on Pryor than any he'd ever had to deal with.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Its true that Aaron would've put a pace like nothing Oscar has ever seen. However, Aaron would've a tough time (assuming Oscar used his excellent jab) getting inside, and at the same time getting tag too much in return. Oscar was a decent counter-puncher too and was well suited to keep Pryor at a distance in which he would've controlled the fight. No need for Oscar to go toe to toe vs Pryor. If he plays smart he would have won.

Pryor worked angles well and a jab isn't enough to hold him off. I don't have issue with Oscar winning, I've said more than once I'd slightly favor him. Having him the stronger man during the championship rounds of a fifteen rounder is what I found silly.

Yeah, considering his stamina issues, Aaron would likely get the better of it that far into a fight, but I doubt he'd be fighting at as quick a pace as early on because the shots Oscar would land would take a greater toll on Pryor than any he'd ever had to deal with.

I can't agree with that either, Oscar didn't have half of the arsenal that Arguello did. But his size made him more equipped to deal with Aaron. The more we talk about it, the more I'm changing my mind to pryor.

[Idisagree]

Pryor worked angles well and a jab isn't enough to hold him off. I don't have issue with Oscar winning, I've said more than once I'd slightly favor him. Having him the stronger man during the championship rounds of a fifteen rounder is what I found silly.

I don’t think anyone here said that Oscar would have been stronger during the championship rounds of a 15 rounds fight. My view is that Oscar would have had accumulated enough points during the early rounds to take the victory in the end whether 12 or 15 rounds. However, it is very hard to really compare because as you pointed out DLH never fought a 15 rounds fight. But for what I seen of DLH, I don’t think he wouldn’t have too many problems with stamina during a 15 rounds fight.

Also, I don’t think Arguello was well suited for the jr. welter class. That was not his optimal weight class, he was decent but not good enough. Not to mention he was on his way down by then. On the other hand, DLH was more than suited for that weight class.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Pryor worked angles well and a jab isn't enough to hold him off. I don't have issue with Oscar winning, I've said more than once I'd slightly favor him. Having him the stronger man during the championship rounds of a fifteen rounder is what I found silly.

Yeah, considering his stamina issues, Aaron would likely get the better of it that far into a fight, but I doubt he'd be fighting at as quick a pace as early on because the shots Oscar would land would take a greater toll on Pryor than any he'd ever had to deal with.

I can't agree with that either, Oscar didn't have half of the arsenal that Arguello did. But his size made him more equipped to deal with Aaron. The more we talk about it, the more I'm changing my mind to pryor.

Oscar hit harder than Arguello

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Pryor worked angles well and a jab isn't enough to hold him off. I don't have issue with Oscar winning, I've said more than once I'd slightly favor him. Having him the stronger man during the championship rounds of a fifteen rounder is what I found silly.

I don’t think anyone here said that Oscar would have been stronger during the championship rounds of a 15 rounds fight. My view is that Oscar would have had accumulated enough points during the early rounds to take the victory in the end whether 12 or 15 rounds. However, it is very hard to really compare because as you pointed out DLH never fought a 15 rounds fight. But for what I seen of DLH, I don’t think he wouldn’t have too many problems with stamina during a 15 rounds fight.

Also, I don’t think Arguello was well suited for the jr. welter class. That was not his optimal weight class, he was decent but not good enough. Not to mention he was on his way down by then. On the other hand, DLH was more than suited for that weight class.

I responded to diamond saying he could see Oscar scoring a 15th round stoppage, then you quoted my response to him.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, considering his stamina issues, Aaron would likely get the better of it that far into a fight, but I doubt he'd be fighting at as quick a pace as early on because the shots Oscar would land would take a greater toll on Pryor than any he'd ever had to deal with.

I can't agree with that either, Oscar didn't have half of the arsenal that Arguello did. But his size made him more equipped to deal with Aaron. The more we talk about it, the more I'm changing my mind to pryor.

Oscar hit harder than Arguello

That's highly debatable, but he had nowhere near the arsenal. I don't see how Oscar's left hooks are gonna take more of a toll than getting drilled over and over with Arguello's two handed combos.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Thinking about it some more, I'm starting to warm to De La Hoya winning.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think Pryor would be on the canvas early, it's a question of keeping him there or holding on late. A DLH stoppage win in the 15th would be among the most shocking results in history.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I think Pryor would be on the canvas early, it's a question of keeping him there or holding on late. A DLH stoppage win in the 15th would be among the most shocking results in history.

Agreed. I go back-&-forth on Pryor's endurance, though --- he was never considered this amazing late-rounds fighter in his hey-day, but then, he also set a feverish pace. He really doesn't have the type of grandstand late-run finish in him he's often credited with, though (the first Arguello fight obviously excepted), but even at a faster clip, he definitely had better lungs than De La Hoya.

[gilgamesh]

I could see Pryor being dropped by a DLH left hook sometime in the first 3 rounds. At which point he would get up pissed off, and be all over De La Hoya for the rest of the fight. De La Hoya would be fighting him tooth and nail to the best of his ability, but Pryor would outwork him and outland him especially in the last 4 rounds. I'd pick Pryor to win via Split Decision, in a damn exciting scrap.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think Pryor would be on the canvas early, it's a question of keeping him there or holding on late. A DLH stoppage win in the 15th would be among the most shocking results in history.

Agreed. I go back-&-forth on Pryor's endurance, though --- he was never considered this amazing late-rounds fighter in his hey-day, but then, he also set a feverish pace. He really doesn't have the type of grandstand late-run finish in him he's often credited with, though (the first Arguello fight obviously excepted), but even at a faster clip, he definitely had better lungs than De La Hoya.

I find a lot of things overrated about Pryor, his stamina wasn't one of them.

[BoxBuzz]

Oscar would knock him out. He would not be a victim of the mugging style that Pryor would attempt to put on him. Unless of course Aaron is "with bottle".

[Idisagree]

Oscar would knock him out. He would not be a victim of the mugging style that Pryor would attempt to put on him. Unless of course Aaron is "with bottle".

Boxbuzz, I don't that Oscar could have Knock him out. That fight would have never taken place because Pryor would have never sign the dotted line unless Oscar was way past his prime.

[BoxBuzz]

Well yes I would agree Aaron would be a no show.... this was pure hypothetical. But I am of the honest opinion that DLH catches him coming in.

[elmersalsa]

I cannot believe the majority of the answers....De La Hoya beating Pryor?