Is the undercard worth watching. (Haye)

[Mimmy]

Looking at the undercard of the Haye fight, Im just asking is it worth watching. I thought there might be about 10 to 12 fights on the bill but it seems there is only 8.

It looks pretty poor to be honest but i might be wrong.

[ShadrachSimmo]

Groves-Anderson should be a decent level domestic scrap but bar that not much to shout about which has been the case with hayes last few undercards.

[GlobalBox]

This is an interesting debate, depends what you want to see, big names beating old tired fighters or genuine tough to call fights with a bit of intrigue.

Example Dec 11th - Undercard to Smith/Degale we have Macklin against Veron, Brook against Clark and to some extent Clerverly/Lakatos, (I know we can argue about top of the bill etc on the night) To me no interest in the above three matches except to see how easily Macklin,Brook and Cleverly win.

Nov 13th - Groves/Anderson, Hall/Davies, Sexton/Edwards, for me its easily the more competitive undercard and one I am looking forward to immensely.

Will Sexton have enough to discourage Edwards, could he indeed ko Chris who does like a row or will the old stager just outbattle the youngster.

Just noticed the above fight has been removed from the boxrec bill which is a shame and devalues it a bit they have added Licina/Cora in a cruiserweight eliminator it appears, not the best replacement but may be ok.

Davies has to produce against Hall who was troubled by the light punching Napa to the body, can he suck up all Davies has early and grind out the win late or or points.

Groves/Anderson, will Groves chin and strength match up to Anderson's power and will to win.

I genuinely don't know the answer to the above three questions but what I do know is I will be surprised if Brook,Macklin and Cleverly don't all win by stoppage and probably early so to me as a boxing fan and not just a big name watcher there is only one undercard that has "Boxing Matches" on it, the others are knockovers.

Before any one gives me the negative FW stuff, nothing against Frank at all just my opinion on the question asked.

[damianhucker1]

agree in part to what your saying , no one surely really wants to see knockovers but if they dont know the fighters they wont watch , simple

you could have the best , closely matched fight possible .... but if people dont know the fighters then they want watch , which is the problem with haye undercards , apart from us hardcore boxrec fans and the fans that live near the fighters , who else knows anything about the guys on the card , hell even ive only watched people like sexton once or twice , at least when i get a few lads round to watch fights i can usually get them hooked onto a certain fighter etc but not if i dont know a great deal about the fighter myself

[SAPFO]

I wil sit there talking about boxers to some of my pals, they just nod & smile half the time as they do not have a clue. It is nice to get in the gym and have a good chat with the real fans though. Not many people out there than can hold a conversation on general boxing these days. So to the casuals watching that night, the under-card will just magnify the wins us lot know are going to happen, and you mates will look at you in awe as you predict the winner of every fight bar the main card.

[GlobalBox]

agree in part to what your saying , no one surely really wants to see knockovers but if they dont know the fighters they wont watch , simple

you could have the best , closely matched fight possible .... but if people dont know the fighters then they want watch , which is the problem with haye undercards , apart from us hardcore boxrec fans and the fans that live near the fighters , who else knows anything about the guys on the card , hell even ive only watched people like sexton once or twice , at least when i get a few lads round to watch fights i can usually get them hooked onto a certain fighter etc but not if i dont know a great deal about the fighter myself

Can see your point Damian but I was coming from the angle of the boxing fan as you said, not really thinking about the "casuals etc" the casuals will be watching for the one fight Haye/Harrison, they could be pleasantly surprised by two decent dust ups in Groves/Anderson and Hall/Davies on the undercard but equally the following day in the pub it would probably be talked about as the ginger kid and did you see the fight between the two northern guys, so yes I can see your point.

[bennie]

Stuart Hall is a fighting champion. The lean Darlington man stopped Hackney's established Ian Napa in eight upset rounds to win the British bantamweight title in the summer and has since retained with a thrilling 10-round stoppage of former champ Martin Power. This Saturday in Manchester, he is out once more against the dangerous Gary Davies of St Helens, the mandatory challenger, on a big bill topped by David Haye against Audley Harrison.
Hall only turned pro in 2008 after a long amateur career and is certainly making up for lost time. Unbeaten in 10 outings, the 30-year-old former ABA finalist boils down to bantamweight to make himself big and strong at the weight and applies lots of pressure. However, Davies also boils down, also piles in and throws a lot of shots, and those shots are hard. Davies definitely carries the bigger punch of the two, having stopped Power in two rounds in 2008, although he was outscored by Napa last year. At 10-3-1 (8), Davies comes off a first-round destruction of Doncaster's Andy Bell, a former British super-flyweight champion.
This one is beautifully poised, then, and I can see it going two ways. Davies catches Hall early and finishes him, or Hall comes through and pours it on down the stretch to take the points in a bruising, riproaring affair. The latter scenario is the most likely.

[palooka]

Is Stuart Hall related to Allan Hall? (Allan was also from Darlington and was some boxer).

[RHOOK]

Totally agree, Haye undercard is definatley worth watching. I'm keen to see how the Groves & Anderson fight pans out. Personally I think Groves may have the slight edge but definately a close one to call.

[Mimmy]

I don't mind watching undercards if the fights are worth watching, I know you can get 2 lads with poor records and put up a decent fight that could win fight of the year.

The thing I love is the atmosphere, I just love the screaming and shouting. I hope there will be a great atmosphere at the MEN, this will bring bakcthe memories of the atmos like fights, Eubank vs Wharton
Hamed vs Ingle

I just don't fancy sitting there and popping to the bar and getting 4 drinks for about £32 and a few burgers that you need an overdraft to buy if the undercard has no interest. Maybe actually that is a ploy by the promotor get the crowd to the bar more often.

[ashedward]

We have got Groves-Anderson which in my opionion could be a real tear up and more enjoyable fight then smith-degale and i am looking forward Hall-Davies this undecard is pretty good,better then the Ruiz one and definatly nothing to moan about

[Jesus]

no

[leeharding]

Stuart Hall is a fighting champion. The lean Darlington man stopped Hackney's established Ian Napa in eight upset rounds to win the British bantamweight title in the summer and has since retained with a thrilling 10-round stoppage of former champ Martin Power. This Saturday in Manchester, he is out once more against the dangerous Gary Davies of St Helens, the mandatory challenger, on a big bill topped by David Haye against Audley Harrison.
Hall only turned pro in 2008 after a long amateur career and is certainly making up for lost time. Unbeaten in 10 outings, the 30-year-old former ABA finalist boils down to bantamweight to make himself big and strong at the weight and applies lots of pressure. However, Davies also boils down, also piles in and throws a lot of shots, and those shots are hard. Davies definitely carries the bigger punch of the two, having stopped Power in two rounds in 2008, although he was outscored by Napa last year. At 10-3-1 (8), Davies comes off a first-round destruction of Doncaster's Andy Bell, a former British super-flyweight champion.
This one is beautifully poised, then, and I can see it going two ways. Davies catches Hall early and finishes him, or Hall comes through and pours it on down the stretch to take the points in a bruising, riproaring affair. The latter scenario is the most likely.

considering hall dies after 6 fast rnds i cant c the latter being the most likely but gd post mate

[leeharding]

This is an interesting debate, depends what you want to see, big names beating old tired fighters or genuine tough to call fights with a bit of intrigue.

Example Dec 11th - Undercard to Smith/Degale we have Macklin against Veron, Brook against Clark and to some extent Clerverly/Lakatos, (I know we can argue about top of the bill etc on the night) To me no interest in the above three matches except to see how easily Macklin,Brook and Cleverly win.

Nov 13th - Groves/Anderson, Hall/Davies, Sexton/Edwards, for me its easily the more competitive undercard and one I am looking forward to immensely.

Will Sexton have enough to discourage Edwards, could he indeed ko Chris who does like a row or will the old stager just outbattle the youngster.

Just noticed the above fight has been removed from the boxrec bill which is a shame and devalues it a bit they have added Licina/Cora in a cruiserweight eliminator it appears, not the best replacement but may be ok.

Davies has to produce against Hall who was troubled by the light punching Napa to the body, can he suck up all Davies has early and grind out the win late or or points.

Groves/Anderson, will Groves chin and strength match up to Anderson's power and will to win.

I genuinely don't know the answer to the above three questions but what I do know is I will be surprised if Brook,Macklin and Cleverly don't all win by stoppage and probably early so to me as a boxing fan and not just a big name watcher there is only one undercard that has "Boxing Matches" on it, the others are knockovers.

Before any one gives me the negative FW stuff, nothing against Frank at all just my opinion on the question asked.

one of the best post i ever seen on boxrec shut him right up well in

[Asterix]

Hall vs Davies - I don't know about Hall, but Davies will give you a good fight.

Groves vs Anderson - I'm definitely looking forward to this. Don't miss it.

Licina vs Cora Jr - I don't think he's a World beater, but maybe Licina can get a nice KO here. Not so interested in this fight, though.

So it's not terrible, but it's poor. I would hate to miss the Groves-Anderson fight though.

[bigjack]

No that's why i have sold my ticket

[iwz678]

Groves v Anderson should be a good fight, but what I want to know is why is Sexton v Edwards off and why is Licina a German based fighter on the bill?