Olympic Trials qualifying

[boxfan08]

Does anyone have all the qualifying tournaments for the Olympic Trials. I have been looking on the USAB website but can't find any info. I'm guessing the National PAL is a qualifier but haven't been able to confirm it. Does anyone have info that they can pass along?

[boxmel]

The National PAL is the first qualifier (Octobr 4-9) in San Anonio, TX. Haven't heard anything yet about the rest of the steps to the Trials. Golden Gloves is NOT a qualifier.

[boxfan08]

Thanks Mel. Where did you find the information on the PAL and the Golden Gloves, I couldn't find it.

[T Duquette]

The 8 spots will be decided as follows;
1)1 from the PALs
2)1 from the Golden Gloves (as long as they abide by USA Boxing rules ie citizenship, etc.)
3)1 from Armed Forces
4)4 boxers from the next US Championships
5)The last remaining spot will be decided by an all comers, wildcard tournament in the early summer preceding the trials.

[hbomb2]

I am just about sure that we are going back to the old way:
Champion of 2010 National PAL
Champion of Armed Forces
1 and 2 of 2011 USA National Championships
Champion of 2011 Golden Gloves
Champion of Eastern Trials
Champion of Western Trials
Champion of tournament for all who did not qualify in previous. Title will come later.

[boxfan08]

Is there someone that can give us official verification on this? Is there someone at the national office who coudl confirm it.

[T Duquette]

I got that info from Patrick who spoke at the AAC meeting during the USA's. Not sure if they changed it up, but there was no mention of the Eastern and Western trials.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I am just about sure that we are going back to the old way:
Champion of 2010 National PAL
Champion of Armed Forces
1 and 2 of 2011 USA National Championships
Champion of 2011 Golden Gloves
Champion of Eastern Trials
Champion of Western Trials
Champion of tournament for all who did not qualify in previous. Title will come later.

I like this format better and does USAB have enough $$ for Eastern/Western trials is my question.

[Dennis]

I am just about sure that we are going back to the old way:
Champion of 2010 National PAL
Champion of Armed Forces
1 and 2 of 2011 USA National Championships
Champion of 2011 Golden Gloves
Champion of Eastern Trials
Champion of Western Trials
Champion of tournament for all who did not qualify in previous. Title will come later.

I like this format better and does USAB have enough $$ for Eastern/Western trials is my question.

This is basically the format for the Olympics prior to 2008. It is a much better way of doing it as the boxers in the Oly Trials had to win or take 2nd at a major tournament. Luck of the draw plays less of a role.

[teasy24]

The 8 spots will be decided as follows;
1)1 from the PALs
2)1 from the Golden Gloves (as long as they abide by USA Boxing rules ie citizenship, etc.)
3)1 from Armed Forces
4)4 boxers from the next US Championships
5)The last remaining spot will be decided by an all comers, wildcard tournament in the early summer preceding the trials.

This is what I have heard too. The only problem is I haven't heard what they will do with the remaining spots (such as the same boxer winning the PAL and placing top 4 at USA's, or the GG Champ also placing top 4 at USA's, etc). If all the spots are not taken up by this format, they will probably go with boxers 5-10 at the USA's to fill out the 8 spots at the trials, giving some boxers an at large bid or something.

I would rather have the Eastern, Western, and Mid Western Trials given a spot to one of them rather than having this wild card tournament, however.

[hbomb2]

It would not be wise to have the top four of the nationals advance as many may pull out as they have already qualified for a spot for the trials. Only boxers living east of the Mississippi River can compete in the Eastern Trials and boxers living west of the Mississippi River can compete in the Western Trials. The Mid-Western Trials is something that was done in the last U.S. Olympic process and the new tournament for those that don't qualify in the other 7 is a good thing. Everyone in the Olympic Trials would have won a national title except for the runner-up at the U.S. Nationals. The problem will come when someone wins a qualifier and decides to compete in other qualifiers and eliminate the competition. Some may be against this but a boxer can not be denied the right to compete. Just a thought. Be blessed. ;;-)

[DCAmateurBoxing]

http://usaboxing.org/news/2010/10/04/no ... ures/38876

So, there it is: 2010 National PAL, 2011 Armed Forces, 2011 Golden Gloves (I guess non-citizens won't be competing this year), 2011 "Last Chance" and 2011 USA Tournament (Top 4). Still not sure how the WSB will fit in if a boxer like Raushee wins and says he's taking a spot on the team representing the US. I guess it hasn't been quite worked out yet. Since, it's official, is it too late to get down to San Antonio since they just the announced the first qualifier the day the qualifier started. SMH

[boxmel]

Last word I heard is:

National PAL, Golden Gloves, Armed Forces, Eastern and Western Trials champions; gold and silver medalists from US Championships and a "Last Chance" after all the preceeding
are finished. No non-citizens in Golden Gloves. USAB usually puts out the Eastern and Western Trials out to bid so the burden of the monies is NOT on USAB. If the same boxer wins in two or more different qualifiers, he will be asked to choose which slot he is taking and the runner up will move into his spot. I'll see what I can find out about the WSB vs. qualifiers stuff.

At the PAL. We start tonight with the JOs. Beautiful weather; River Walk is great.

[T Duquette]

The champions of the 2010 National Police Athletic League
Championships, 2011 Armed Forces Championships, and 2010 National
Golden Gloves (if they conform to USA Boxing rules) will be seeded at the
2011 USA Boxing National Championships.

So am i right in assuming thar this requirement wasnt met for the ggs?

[hbomb2]

There will not be a Western or Eastern Trials and the Nationals will not be as it was for the 2008 Olympic Trials(top 8 went to trials Mil, PAL and GG were seeded in top 8). The USOC has approved the present format but expect some minor adjustments. At the moment the top 4 at Nationals will advance to the Olympic Trials.

[boxmel]

There will not be a Western or Eastern Trials and the Nationals will not be as it was for the 2008 Olympic Trials(top 8 went to trials Mil, PAL and GG were seeded in top . The USOC has approved the present format but expect some minor adjustments. At the moment the top 4 at Nationals will advance to the Olympic Trials.

Thanks, Ron. I'm really a proponent of the pre-2008 selection process. Oh well. Will just have to see how the 2012 selection works out. Anything yet about how the WSB fits in all this since WSB boxers can also compete in the qualifying tournaments?

[hbomb2]

From what I have heard is that the WSB has been approved by the IOC to allow the winners (5) of their championships to compete in the 2012 Olympic Games. Should an american not win the WBS but won a US qualifier, he would be able to compete in the US Olympic Trials. I did not like the qualification procedures for 2008 as it caused problems. No one should be seeded in an advancing slot prior to competing. After the 1/4 finals many pulled out complaining of injuries as they already qualified for the Trials and the paying spectators were left with half of a show. We should have anticipated this as previous years in the U.S. Challenge we had the same problem. We need to really think before we make decisions as we are destroying our sport and making it much easier for fans to cross over to MMA. Just my opinion.

[swampboxing911]

heard they was gonna use the top 4 from the national pal,can anyone tell me if this is true?

[boxmel]

heard they was gonna use the top 4 from the national pal,can anyone tell me if this is true?

Nope. Not true. The full USOC-approved qualifying document (all 21 pages) is on the USA Boxing web site. Basically: champions of each of the 10 weight categories from the PAL, Armed Forces Championships, Golden Gloves (if conform to USA Boxing rules), the Last Chance Qualifier and the top 4 from the US Championships.

The 5 winners of the WSB Individual Championships qualify themselves for the 2012 Olympic Games. Due to the difference of the weight categories between the Olympic Games and WSB competition, the WSB Individual Champions will have to inform USA Boxing on the weight category in which they will compete in the Olympics. If two or more boxers with US citizenship qualify for the Olympics from the WSB Individual Championships and choose the same weight category to compete in at the Olympics, USA Boxing will form a Sport Committee to determine which weight category each boxer will compete by using the following criteria: past results starting in 2009; ease to make a weight category; medal potential in each weight category (that would have to be a subjective , I would think ), the weight category they competed in during the WSB and past World Championships and Olympic experience.

If a US citizen is an individual champion from the WSB Individual Championships he will not compete in the 2012 U.S. Olympic Trials, the 2011 AIBA Men's World Championships or the 2012 Americas Olympic qualifying event. USA Boxing will not hold the 2012 Olympic Trials for the weight category that the WSB individual champion announces that he will compete in at the 2012 Olympic Games (hmmmm - THAT could cause problems...).

For more detailed details, see the document on the USAB web site.

[champion]

wow thats interesting thanks for info boxmel !

[swampboxing911]

does anyone know when they are gonna update the rankings?

[DCAmateurBoxing]

heard they was gonna use the top 4 from the national pal,can anyone tell me if this is true?

Nope. Not true. The full USOC-approved qualifying document (all 21 pages) is on the USA Boxing web site. Basically: champions of each of the 10 weight categories from the PAL, Armed Forces Championships, Golden Gloves (if conform to USA Boxing rules), the Last Chance Qualifier and the top 4 from the US Championships.

The 5 winners of the WSB Individual Championships qualify themselves for the 2012 Olympic Games. Due to the difference of the weight categories between the Olympic Games and WSB competition, the WSB Individual Champions will have to inform USA Boxing on the weight category in which they will compete in the Olympics. If two or more boxers with US citizenship qualify for the Olympics from the WSB Individual Championships and choose the same weight category to compete in at the Olympics, USA Boxing will form a Sport Committee to determine which weight category each boxer will compete by using the following criteria: past results starting in 2009; ease to make a weight category; medal potential in each weight category (that would have to be a subjective , I would think ), the weight category they competed in during the WSB and past World Championships and Olympic experience.

If a US citizen is an individual champion from the WSB Individual Championships he will not compete in the 2012 U.S. Olympic Trials, the 2011 AIBA Men's World Championships or the 2012 Americas Olympic qualifying event. USA Boxing will not hold the 2012 Olympic Trials for the weight category that the WSB individual champion announces that he will compete in at the 2012 Olympic Games (hmmmm - THAT could cause problems...).

For more detailed details, see the document on the USAB web site.

I'm speechless, but I guess it could be worse. So, let me get this straight. A boxers competes and wins the PAL tournament and maybe one other qualifier securing a spot in the box off only to find out that he doesn't get to even attempt to make the US team becuase the WSB champ from the US selects his weight class and that weight class is removed from the US Trials altogether?? Yeah, that's fair. . .

[T Duquette]

Im anticipating court battles if this actually happens... Aiba has to find another way to include the WSB winners. Why dont they just allow less people to qualify through the worlds and Americas qualifiers etc...