Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Stephen "Suey" Welch . . .

Charley . . . You mentioned Suey Welch in your post. Suey handled me briefly in the early 70's. I know he managed Charlie Powell, and recall Powell telling sports writer Allen Malamud that after Suey had divided up his fight purses, there was very little left for him. Luckily for me, I never made much money so I never had to worry about being robbed by anybody. Over the years I've heard a lot about Suey, who was a very well connected man, he was a restaurant & bar owner, an Olympic Auditorium matchmaker in the 30's, manager of Gorilla Jones, and a crazy heavyweight named Hank Hankinson. Suey was good to me, he introduced me to promoter George Parnassus, and a lot of legendary fighters that would visit Parnassus at his office. Thru Suey I met Gorilla Jones, Enrique Bolanos, Mushy Callahan, Jimmy McLarnin, Ike Williams, Lou Nova, wrestler/actor Mike Mazurki. Suey came out of Canton, Ohio, and had played on a football team (the Canton Bulldogs) with Jim Thorpe. He was very close with Mae West, gangsters, celebrities, powerful people. Suey had cold blue eyes, chronic indigestion, and seemed to like me. To some he was a cold hearted bastard, but I'm glad I can look back on him with good memories. By the way, Stephen Welch and his younger brother grew up in Canton, Ohio and lived in a home above a Chinese laundry. From that he came away with the nickname "Suey" and his younger brother was known as Chang. Both of Irish decent, not Chinese. Chang worked as a bartender in one of Suey's restaurants in L.A. During a time in the 30's, toward the end of heavyweight Hank Hankinson's career, the big Ohio heavyweight was living in L.A. on Union St. At the time, his manager was Suey Welch, but Suey was matchmaker at the Olympic and couldn't manage fighters. So Hankinson's manager of record was Suey's brother, Chang. One night, Hankinson, a lady's man who dated Hollywood Starlets, beat a young actress to death. He then proceeded to the bar where Suey's brother was working, and demanded money. When Chang refused, the fighter beat Chang badly, sending him into a coma for days. Hankinson was arrested, did only two years of time before being released. Two years later, he and a lady friend were found dead in their Ohio apartment. Seems somebody left the gas on one night, they went to bed and never woke. Chang was never the same after the beating. No way Hankinson was going to get away with that.
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Hammer- Thats a great story on Art Powell. I remember him playing but I didnt have the forethought to link him to Charlie Powell his brother. (Probably because of the generation gap) between the two.
He was a heck of a player like his older brother and I too would have liked to meet him. What an experience.

Suey Welch was a man my father knew well of. I didnt discuss much on him with my dad, not as much as the subject Charlie Powell. Gorilla Jones was at least one trainer Charlie Powell had when my dad fought him in 1954.(according to newspaper areticles I have).Powell was very intense on getting a rematch with my father to avenge his loss in 1954.
An interesting article by George Harrick from San Diego Evening Tribune after the Dec 1958 rematch states (paraphrase)
"2,822 persons (lower than expected) saw a listless fight out of Norkus
in the rematch, that the fans booed each round. Powell couldnt find the right punch to put him down. At the end, Powell won big on all cards and Norkus didnt take a round. Powells and his handlers guaranteed Norkus
$3,000 & 2 Roundtrip plane tickets from New York (worth $500) to take the fight and avenge his first fight loss. With a Gross gate of $9,000 and Powells portion coming to $3,400 it was unclear if he came up with the extra $100 to give Norkus his due". My father never mentioned this to me.
Matchmaker/ Promoter for the San Diego Coliseum, Ernie Fuentes
said a rubber match will not be forthcoming. Powell spokesman Joe Vella
said that he will now look ahead to a possible Powell- Nino Valdez matchup
in New York, or a Zora Folley match in CA. next.
A couple of articles stated Charlie Powell fought and took home nothing for the Norkus fight.

Rick, That was a nice piece on Suey Welch. I guess the guy reputation was well known. I think most of these mgr characters were well suited to take the easy money from the hard earning fighters. They probably would sell the Brooklyn or Golden Gate Bridge to their grandmothers if they could.
The bigger discussions I had with my dad (and mother) over going into boxing myself were pretty much short with a definitive no from my mother.
She never did like the Blood and Guts of the thing and once my dad gave it up- she was thrilled. My dad on the other hand had hooks that he said if I had shown promise, that he would have me managed and trained by the great ones. But overall he also said the business side of it stinks and the characters you must deal with are shady. Bottom line- Go to college and do something better was the short term message for me.I never threw a punch in a ring as an amateur, only in sparring (learning) with my dad . Thrill enough for me.

Poor Hankinson left the Gas on. Very dangerous thing to do after you beat up a gangland figures brother.This is great stuff Rick, Thanks for sharing.
You can imagine what the New York scene was like during the 30's-50's.
Ike Williams, Curt Kennedy and just about anybody who dealt with that stuff must have wrestled with the the pros and cons of their special associations of friends. Many took it to their graves with them. Justly so, I think.
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CNorkusJr wrote:Hammer- Thats a great story on Art Powell. I remember him playing but I didnt have the forethought to link him to Charlie Powell his brother. (Probably because of the generation gap) between the two.
He was a heck of a player like his older brother and I too would have liked to meet him. What an experience.

Suey Welch was a man my father knew well of. I didnt discuss much on him with my dad, not as much as the subject Charlie Powell. Gorilla Jones was at least one trainer Charlie Powell had when my dad fought him in 1954.(according to newspaper areticles I have).Powell was very intense on getting a rematch with my father to avenge his loss in 1954.
An interesting article by George Harrick from San Diego Evening Tribune after the Dec 1958 rematch states (paraphrase)
"2,822 persons (lower than expected) saw a listless fight out of Norkus
in the rematch, that the fans booed each round. Powell couldnt find the right punch to put him down. At the end, Powell won big on all cards and Norkus didnt take a round. Powells and his handlers guaranteed Norkus
$3,000 & 2 Roundtrip plane tickets from New York (worth $500) to take the fight and avenge his first fight loss. With a Gross gate of $9,000 and Powells portion coming to $3,400 it was unclear if he came up with the extra $100 to give Norkus his due". My father never mentioned this to me.
Matchmaker/ Promoter for the San Diego Coliseum, Ernie Fuentes
said a rubber match will not be forthcoming. Powell spokesman Joe Vella
said that he will now look ahead to a possible Powell- Nino Valdez matchup
in New York, or a Zora Folley match in CA. next.
A couple of articles stated Charlie Powell fought and took home nothing in after Norkus fight.

Rick, That was a nice piece on Suey Welch. I guess the guy reputation was well known. I think most of these mgr characters were well suited to take the easy money from the hard earning fighters. They probably would sell the Brooklyn or Golden Gate Bridge to their grandmothers if they could.
The bigger discussions I had with my dad (and mother) over going into boxing myself were pretty much short with a definitive no from my mother.
She never did like the Blood and Guts of the thing and once my dad gave it up- she was thrilled. My dad on the other hand had hooks that he said if I had shown promise, that he would have me managed and trained by the great ones. But overall he also said the business side of it stinks and the characters you must deal with are shady. Bottom line- Go to college and do something better was the short term message for me.I never threw a punch in a ring as an amateur, only in sparring (learning) with my dad . Thrill enough for me.
You learned from a top ten heavyweight from a great era, that is a thrill.
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:TU: Thank You Rick.
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Audley Harrison turned pro on a balmy night in May 2001. A year later, in December 2002, David Haye also made the switch and he quickly overtook his great friend and fellow Londoner. By 2007, as Harrison was coming to terms with a shock knockout defeat at the hands of Reading's Michael Sprott, Haye was the best cruiserweight in the world, blasting his way to stunning victories over French bull Jean-Marc Mormeck and Welsh giant Enzo Maccarinelli. Haye continued to prosper as he filled out to heavyweight, lifting the major WBA belt with a fine decision over Russian mammoth Nikolai Valuev in Germany last year and retaining with a nine-round pounding of Puerto Rico's John Ruiz earlier this year.
As for Harrison, he came back from Sprott in a dreary 10-rounder with little Brazilian George Arias, scraping home on points, and was then outgamed and outpointed by Belfast brawler Martin Rogan in 2008, a part-time fighter who drives taxis, but he finally came good with a last-ditch knockout in a rematch with Sprott for the European heavyweight title earlier this year in London. All of a sudden, against all the odds, Harrison was in the world rankings. This Saturday in Manchester, he challenges Haye in a rare all-British world heavyweight title showdown.
The two are no longer friends. They fell out after Haye bashed up Harrison in a Miami sparring years ago. "We had good sparring sessions," Haye told the Telegraph yesterday, which confirms that Haye dished out the most stick. Frankly, Harrison is lucky to get a shot but he's here now and we have to make the best of it. The big Wembley southpaw talks a good fight but has turned up to survive so many times in the past you scoff at his spiel. His chin also lacks substance. In contrast, Haye works hard, hits hard and truly believes in himself. His approach defines conviction.
This is a voluntary defence for the quick, aggressive muscled Bermondsey man as he counts down to an inevitable unification showdown with one or both of the Klitschko brothers - a gimmee, a personal thing, a chance to bury the hatchet in Harrison's oversized head. You know, Haye is nine years younger than the 39-year-old challenger and reckons that Harrison peaked in the Olympics back in 2000, where he won gold, and it does explain Harrison's surprisingly poor performances as a pro. Even Sprott was beating him in the rematch when he got caught in the 12th and last round. Harrison's long-suffering fans tell you that their man can whack because of it, but they should ask themselves this: how long would Haye have needed against Sprott, and he would not have needed two goes? They tell you that Haye is chinny when Harrison is the chinniest British heavyweight since Richard Dunn, floored five times by Muhammad Ali in his own despairing crack at the world heavyweight title, although Dunn had a real go. They tell you that Haye cannot handle southpaws, but if the limited Rogan manhandled the reluctant, wide-eyed southpaw, what will Haye do?
OK, Harrison has the speed, boxing ability (and the fear) to frustrate Haye for a few rounds but in the end there can only be one winner. Haye keeps the big punches coming as he powers his way to a middle-round stoppage.
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Eat your heart out, Todd Foster. Three rings at the 1954 Golden Gloves in Chicago.
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Rick Farris wrote:Patton & Olympic Auditorium Photographer Theo Ehret . . .

You must be home, Frank. I recall passing the Patton Museum driving to & from Arizona a few years ago.
Do you remember Olympic Auditorium house photographer, Theo Ehret?
Theo was General Patton's private driver during WW2. Ehret wasn't an American soldier, but a young German citizen.
Patton liked his driver so much, he arranged American Citizenship for Theo and his wife after the war.
Ehret had grown up working in his uncle's photo lab in Germany. He was a talented photographer and brilliant in the lab.
He came to L.A. after the war, bought some rental units in the Echo Park area, just below Dodger Stadium, and has lived there ever since.
Theo is around 90 years old, still sharp and a great source of legendary photos taken at the 18th & Grand arena starting in 1969.
Got home on Saturday. Chiriaco Summit is a must-stop for me every time I'm driving back from AZ.

Theo Ehret, I remember real well from the Olympic days, met him a few times, he probably don't remember me though.
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bennie wrote:Image


Eat your heart out, Todd Foster. Three rings at the 1954 Golden Gloves in Chicago.
Todd Foster fighting in the GG's in 1954? Foster was born in 1967.

BTW, Connie and I were married in 1954...
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kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Image


Eat your heart out, Todd Foster. Three rings at the 1954 Golden Gloves in Chicago.
Todd Foster fighting in the GG's in 1954? Foster was born in 1967.

BTW, Connie and I were married in 1954...
1954 was a great year all around. :TU: :OhYes: :TU: :OhYes: (I was born in 1954. :lol: )
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raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Image


Eat your heart out, Todd Foster. Three rings at the 1954 Golden Gloves in Chicago.
Todd Foster fighting in the GG's in 1954? Foster was born in 1967.

BTW, Connie and I were married in 1954...
1954 was a great year all around. :TU: :OhYes: :TU: :OhYes: (I was born in 1954. :lol: )
I got the better deal, I married Connie and became a kept man.... :OhYes: :OhYes:
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kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote: Todd Foster fighting in the GG's in 1954? Foster was born in 1967.

BTW, Connie and I were married in 1954...
1954 was a great year all around. :TU: :OhYes: :TU: :OhYes: (I was born in 1954. :lol: )
I got the better deal, I married Connie and became a kept man.... :OhYes: :OhYes:
. . . I got to be alive. :TU: :TU:
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raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote: 1954 was a great year all around. :TU: :OhYes: :TU: :OhYes: (I was born in 1954. :lol: )
I got the better deal, I married Connie and became a kept man.... :OhYes: :OhYes:
. . . I got to be alive. :TU: :TU:
Yes!, and you lived a good life.... :TU: :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote: I got the better deal, I married Connie and became a kept man.... :OhYes: :OhYes:
. . . I got to be alive. :TU: :TU:
Yes!, and you lived a good life.... :TU: :TU:
. . .and the best thing . . . it ain't over yet!! :OhYes: :OhYes:
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raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote: . . . I got to be alive. :TU: :TU:
Yes!, and you lived a good life.... :TU: :TU:
. . .and the best thing . . . it ain't over yet!! :OhYes: :OhYes:
The best is yet to come.... :OhYes: :OhYes:
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Well said- The Best IS Yet to come.. For All of us !
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CNorkusJr wrote:Well said- The Best IS Yet to come.. For All of us !
Yep! :OhYes:
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kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Image


Eat your heart out, Todd Foster. Three rings at the 1954 Golden Gloves in Chicago.
Todd Foster fighting in the GG's in 1954? Foster was born in 1967.

BTW, Connie and I were married in 1954...
Foster smacked a Korean in the Seoul Olympics when the Korean heard the bell go in the 'other' ring (there were two rings) and began to walk to his corner.
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Good morning Bennie, I am up pretty late tonight, but I will be going to bed soon, you ever hear about Tony Sibson, I always wondered what happened to him.
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Good morning Bennie, I am up pretty late tonight, but I will be going to bed soon, you ever hear about Tony Sibson, I always wondered what happened to him.
I used to live near Sibbo and was there when he fought his last fight, against Frank Tate. He is doing well, Hammer. He kept his money and now works for himself, buying old properties and renovating them. He pops up at the occasional boxing show.
Sibbo was a big puncher, but big punchers stood no chance against the iron-jawed Hagler.
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Todd Foster is from Great Falls, Montana, the city where I was born. Ryan Leaf also lived in Great Falls.

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Boxing champion spared jail for assaulting woman

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London-based British and Commonwealth boxing champion Dereck Chisora has been spared jail despite being found guilty of submitting his former girlfriend to a "humiliating" assault.

Chisora, 26, from Finchley, north London was given a 12 week prison sentence suspended for two years at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court following the attack in May.

If Chisora had received an immediate jail term he would have missed his world heavyweight title bout against Wladimir Klitschko next month.

Passing sentence, District Judge Quentin Purdy said: "Your behaviour on May 28 was disgraceful and downright humiliating. You used violence on this young lady and then to heap ignominy on her you turned her over and slapped her on the bottom repeatedly."

The court was told that Chisora, who has previous convictions for assault, launched the attack after finding text messages from another man on his then girlfriend's phone. Darren Watts, prosecuting, explained that Chisora was at the woman's home and was reading text messages while she was in the bathroom.

He explained: "One of these messages to her mobile phone was from another man. In response the defendant shouted at the claimant, 'What is this? What is this?' At this point he grabbed her by the arms and threw her to the bed and said, 'You cheated on me'."

Boxing promoter allegedly was in court and handed the judge a letter vouching for Chisora. Chisora was ordered to pay £1,500 in compensation and £500 costs. He was also told he must complete 150 hours community work.

The judge said: "You're a huge man, clearly a very powerful boxer." He described the attack as an "ugly incident", adding: "You clearly have a problem with violence and that has got to stop or your career will be over."

The court was told that the fighter had previous convictions for public order offences, assaulting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon. Philip Moy, defending, acknowledged that his client's record was "not exemplary".

But he argued that Chisora could face further sanction as he would have to appear before the British Boxing Board of Control after his conviction. Mr Moy explained that Chisora and the woman had now separated, and that their relationship was "not made in heaven". Chisora is unbeaten in 14 fights but is rated a heavy underdog against IBF and WBO title holder Klitschko. The boxer refused to speak to the media before and after his case.
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Frankie & I having breakfast in Indio, Ca. on our way to AZ.
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kikibalt wrote:Boxing champion spared jail for assaulting woman

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London-based British and Commonwealth boxing champion Dereck Chisora has been spared jail despite being found guilty of submitting his former girlfriend to a "humiliating" assault.

Chisora, 26, from Finchley, north London was given a 12 week prison sentence suspended for two years at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court following the attack in May.

If Chisora had received an immediate jail term he would have missed his world heavyweight title bout against Wladimir Klitschko next month.

Passing sentence, District Judge Quentin Purdy said: "Your behaviour on May 28 was disgraceful and downright humiliating. You used violence on this young lady and then to heap ignominy on her you turned her over and slapped her on the bottom repeatedly."

The court was told that Chisora, who has previous convictions for assault, launched the attack after finding text messages from another man on his then girlfriend's phone. Darren Watts, prosecuting, explained that Chisora was at the woman's home and was reading text messages while she was in the bathroom.

He explained: "One of these messages to her mobile phone was from another man. In response the defendant shouted at the claimant, 'What is this? What is this?' At this point he grabbed her by the arms and threw her to the bed and said, 'You cheated on me'."

Boxing promoter allegedly was in court and handed the judge a letter vouching for Chisora. Chisora was ordered to pay £1,500 in compensation and £500 costs. He was also told he must complete 150 hours community work.

The judge said: "You're a huge man, clearly a very powerful boxer." He described the attack as an "ugly incident", adding: "You clearly have a problem with violence and that has got to stop or your career will be over."

The court was told that the fighter had previous convictions for public order offences, assaulting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon. Philip Moy, defending, acknowledged that his client's record was "not exemplary".

But he argued that Chisora could face further sanction as he would have to appear before the British Boxing Board of Control after his conviction. Mr Moy explained that Chisora and the woman had now separated, and that their relationship was "not made in heaven". Chisora is unbeaten in 14 fights but is rated a heavy underdog against IBF and WBO title holder Klitschko. The boxer refused to speak to the media before and after his case.

Chisora is a lucky boy.
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