Is Haye too light at 15s 1lb

[Mimmy]

what are your thoughts. Do you think Harrison has a better chance now??

[belowthebelt]

no i think hayemaker's got it perfect. theres no point trying to bulk up, he was never going to try and out strength audley and push him around. speeds what this division needs

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's likely to benefit Haye's stamina also. He should be able to fight at a higher tempo than normal and for longer if needs be.

[DIRT SUGAR]

I thought Haye looked quite sluggish against Ruiz and expect him to be much sharper tomorrow. Harrison's never really used his physical advantages. Remember, he was 29 when he turned pro, so he's hit his physical peak a while back and was never one to bully opponents around. I mean, back in the day he couldn't even push Dominic Negus around (no offence Dom;-) who's not a massive bloke.

Haye to marmalise him!

[bfchunk]

Harrison looked a bit spooked to me at the weigh in and the interview afterwards.

+1 on Haye marmalising him

[bennie]

Audley Harrison's dream of a world heavyweight title came and went with the pathetic WBF title he won in 2004 with a four-round dismissal of a pathetic Dutchman dubbed "The new Sonny Liston", presumably the Liston who rolled around the canvas against Muhammad Ali, made his way to one knee, collapsed back down to the canvas, and somehow still beat the count, at least Jersey Joe Walcott's count.
Harrison would soon be exposed in world class by messrs Dominick Guinn, Danny Williams, Michael Sprott and Martin Rogan, but he won rematches with two of them, two of them who took the rematch at very late notice and were not in great shape, and this is the criteria upon which Harrison has 'earned' - oh yes, and let's not forget Prizefighter - a shot at the WBA heavyweight title held by David Haye tomorrow night in Manchester.
Frankly, it is a bloody miracle that he gets the shot but Harrison thinks he is Jesus Christ anyway so a miracle is quite fitting. Yeah, they both have bad hands. Harrison's fists are tiny, in fact, and his heart... This giant of a man fights 'scared' and took almost 12 rounds to pluck up the courage to throw a shot against the weary Sprott earlier this year in London, and that one shot won him the fight. His hands are quick when he gulps and lets a few go, and defensively, he is quite adept, but at the age of 39 he never 'grew' as a fighter, never matured, unlike that man Haye, who has shown in recent years that a battle he lost with Carl Thompson in 2004 is a war that he won.
Haye, 30, is a 'rounded' fighter today, a man not afraid to sling punches for 12 rounds, a man not afraid to take a knee, a man not afraid to fight the giants like Nikolai Valuev and Harrison. Valuev had a record of 50-1 going into their 12-rounder last year in Germany but Haye outpunched the Russian to win the WBA title and came close to knocking him out in the last round. Once upon a time we wondered if Haye could even do 12 rounds.
The scene is set. Haye gets stuck in and pulls the trigger quickly and repeatedly; Harrison runs, thinks too much and thinks some more. He is simply not busy enough to beat an aggressive animal like Haye. Sadly, he is not brave enough either.

[reggaereggae]

I thought Haye looked in fantastic shape. Audley did look a bit spooked, you have to remember this is by far and away Harrison's biggest fight.....the pressure will be enormous, far, far greater than the Olympic final

[bigjack]

It would be too light if he was in with a big strong aggressive puncher,but he's in with Audley so no it's not too light

[Hagler2002]

He'll batter him inside 3 rounds, Harrison's a big useless article.

[alexpaterson]

Nope he's naturally powerful! This will only increase his speed and movement IMO.

[Ash-Weston]

Audley couldnt keep still when he was next to Lennox Lewis. Sign of nerves me thinks

[The_Hayemaker]

this fight will be over quickly.

[jamesmcdonnell]

[quote="bennie"]Audley Harrison's dream of a world heavyweight title came and went with the pathetic WBF title he won in 2004 with a four-round dismissal of a pathetic Dutchman dubbed "The new Sonny Liston", presumably the Liston who rolled around the canvas against Muhammad Ali, made his way to one knee, collapsed back down to the canvas, and somehow still beat the count, at least Jersey Joe Walcott's count.
Harrison would soon be exposed in world class by messrs Dominick Guinn, Danny Williams, Michael Sprott and Martin Rogan, but he won rematches with two of them, two of them who took the rematch at very late notice and were not in great shape, and this is the criteria upon which Harrison has 'earned' - oh yes, and let's not forget Prizefighter - a shot at the WBA heavyweight title held by David Haye tomorrow night in Manchester.
Frankly, it is a bloody miracle that he gets the shot but Harrison thinks he is Jesus Christ anyway so a miracle is quite fitting. Yeah, they both have bad hands. Harrison's fists are tiny, in fact, and his heart... This giant of a man fights 'scared' and took almost 12 rounds to pluck up the courage to throw a shot against the weary Sprott earlier this year in London, and that one shot won him the fight. His hands are quick when he gulps and lets a few go, and defensively, he is quite adept, but at the age of 39 he never 'grew' as a fighter, never matured, unlike that man Haye, who has shown in recent years that a battle he lost with Carl Thompson in 2004 is a war that he won.
Haye, 30, is a 'rounded' fighter today, a man not afraid to sling punches for 12 rounds, a man not afraid to take a knee, a man not afraid to fight the giants like Nikolai Valuev and Harrison. Valuev had a record of 50-1 going into their 12-rounder last year in Germany but Haye outpunched the Russian to win the WBA title and came close to knocking him out in the last round. Once upon a time we wondered if Haye could even do 12 rounds.
The scene is set. Haye gets stuck in and pulls the trigger quickly and repeatedly; Harrison runs, thinks too much



Hmm not sure about almost knocked out Valuev.Hurt him yes. As for outpunched, well in the most literal sense, but there were hardly a lot of punches thrown.

Sorry to be pedantic, but think there's a bit of artistic licence in there.

[U.F.O]

Perfect weight for Haye imo,
he will never be a big HW, so why even try

[Khaosai-Galaxy]

Just you wait lads, Audley will lean on Haye for a few rounds before firing a straight left right on Haye's chin.



Audley inside 8 rounds.


Oh, and Margarito inside the distance, whilst we are at it.


Tomorrow will be a night for the bigger man.

[tonyevs]

Haye's weight is spot on - he's hardly gonna meet Audley in ring centre is he?

A pair of running daps ... And Hayes all ready....

[knockout]

I think both fighters have weighed in at good weights.

The lighter weight, as already mentioned, will work in Hayes favour as he will be more mobile.


Bennie/J Mc.. just as an aside when Haye nearly dropped Valuev who was doing a little breakdance in the 11th or 12th, I really dont think at his height and weight he would have got up and composed himself very easily if he had gone down. Think Willard V Dempsey :)

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think both fighters have weighed in at good weights.

The lighter weight, as already mentioned, will work in Hayes favour as he will be more mobile.


Bennie/J Mc.. just as an aside when Haye nearly dropped Valuev who was doing a little breakdance in the 11th or 12th, I really dont think at his height and weight he would have got up and composed himself very easily if he had gone down. Think Willard V Dempsey :)

The shot caught him but not as cleanly as you may think. Look at the other angle of the shot. It does force Valuev back but he's shaking his head as he gets his bearings, more annoyance at the stumble than a man who was trying to shake the cobwebs. It was a dramatic shot but not as much a clincher, say, as Toney hammering Jirov with shots late in their fight.

Yes, and his head and legs looked to have recovered just a few seconds later. I do think it staggered him, but only briefly.

[boxerbob]

i will tell you what i think.....

first of all im a little suprised about hayes weight but only because he was 221 or 222 last time around , i thought he would be somewhere in the middle 215 or 216

bulk isnt everything , just look at the best heavyweight of the last 20 years - evander holyfield , he always came in shape and was regarded a small heavyweight

i always hate when i hear fighter bulk up when they fighting bigger men when they should keep to their natural weight , look at what pacman is saying aswell on 24/7...he says he feels better and faster at 145 - 147 so what the point of going to 150 for the fight with margarito

when the fight was made i said that haye would not be doing his job properly if the bout went to the 5th round , harriosn has not beat anybody near world class and only came up with a last gasp punch in the fight vs sprott to gain this chance...sprott is british level only

its too big a jump

[J]

i think lennox was the best heavyweight ofthe past 20 years other than that good post

[SAPFO]

this fight will be over quickly.

Who said that?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Ali and Holmes both weighed around 210-225 in their primes, same with Holyfield, and all men in their primes could fight at a frantic pace compared to the lumbering giants these days. I'm sure they could have bulked up (certainly the first two), to 240 but they would have lost speed, flexibility and stamina.

Of the bigger men, Vitali I think has a good engine, and considering his size, he doesn't come in that heavy. 250 for a man of 6'7 1/2 is actually pretty svelte, and until age and injury began to slow him, he's always had an impressive work ethic in the ring.

There's definitely a massive tradeoff between power and stamina with adding weight, and in fact I don't know if I think it really adds any power. Tyson had far more power at 215 than he ever did at 230-235.

[housesecond]

Audley Harrison's dream of a world heavyweight title came and went with the pathetic WBF title he won in 2004 with a four-round dismissal of a pathetic Dutchman dubbed "The new Sonny Liston", presumably the Liston who rolled around the canvas against Muhammad Ali, made his way to one knee, collapsed back down to the canvas, and somehow still beat the count, at least Jersey Joe Walcott's count.
Harrison would soon be exposed in world class by messrs Dominick Guinn, Danny Williams, Michael Sprott and Martin Rogan, but he won rematches with two of them, two of them who took the rematch at very late notice and were not in great shape, and this is the criteria upon which Harrison has 'earned' - oh yes, and let's not forget Prizefighter - a shot at the WBA heavyweight title held by David Haye tomorrow night in Manchester.
Frankly, it is a bloody miracle that he gets the shot but Harrison thinks he is Jesus Christ anyway so a miracle is quite fitting. Yeah, they both have bad hands. Harrison's fists are tiny, in fact, and his heart... This giant of a man fights 'scared' and took almost 12 rounds to pluck up the courage to throw a shot against the weary Sprott earlier this year in London, and that one shot won him the fight. His hands are quick when he gulps and lets a few go, and defensively, he is quite adept, but at the age of 39 he never 'grew' as a fighter, never matured, unlike that man Haye, who has shown in recent years that a battle he lost with Carl Thompson in 2004 is a war that he won.
Haye, 30, is a 'rounded' fighter today, a man not afraid to sling punches for 12 rounds, a man not afraid to take a knee, a man not afraid to fight the giants like Nikolai Valuev and Harrison. Valuev had a record of 50-1 going into their 12-rounder last year in Germany but Haye outpunched the Russian to win the WBA title and came close to knocking him out in the last round. Once upon a time we wondered if Haye could even do 12 rounds.
The scene is set. Haye gets stuck in and pulls the trigger quickly and repeatedly; Harrison runs, thinks too much and thinks some more. He is simply not busy enough to beat an aggressive animal like Haye. Sadly, he is not brave enough either.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Agree with every word of that.

[demolitiondaley]

I think both fighters have weighed in at good weights.

The lighter weight, as already mentioned, will work in Hayes favour as he will be more mobile.


Bennie/J Mc.. just as an aside when Haye nearly dropped Valuev who was doing a little breakdance in the 11th or 12th, I really dont think at his height and weight he would have got up and composed himself very easily if he had gone down. Think Willard V Dempsey :)

The shot caught him but not as cleanly as you may think. Look at the other angle of the shot. It does force Valuev back but he's shaking his head as he gets his bearings, more annoyance at the stumble than a man who was trying to shake the cobwebs. It was a dramatic shot but not as much a clincher, say, as Toney hammering Jirov with shots late in their fight.

I replayed that a lot and he actually catches him on the neck. I think it was the impact on his carotid artery that shook him. If the tissue of the artery swells the brain thinks the body's blood pressure has just gone sky high and it will take steps to try and decrease it asap hence you pass out. Totally different from a brain shake but just as effective. Doesn't happen very often in boxing because of the small target area (unless you are a giant) and large gloved fist. http://hubpages.com/hub/Knockout-How-Does-it-Work

[damianhucker1]

I think both fighters have weighed in at good weights.

The lighter weight, as already mentioned, will work in Hayes favour as he will be more mobile.


Bennie/J Mc.. just as an aside when Haye nearly dropped Valuev who was doing a little breakdance in the 11th or 12th, I really dont think at his height and weight he would have got up and composed himself very easily if he had gone down. Think Willard V Dempsey :)

The shot caught him but not as cleanly as you may think. Look at the other angle of the shot. It does force Valuev back but he's shaking his head as he gets his bearings, more annoyance at the stumble than a man who was trying to shake the cobwebs. It was a dramatic shot but not as much a clincher, say, as Toney hammering Jirov with shots late in their fight.

I replayed that a lot and he actually catches him on the neck. I think it was the impact on his carotid artery that shook him. If the tissue of the artery swells the brain thinks the body's blood pressure has just gone sky high and it will take steps to try and decrease it asap hence you pass out. Totally different from a brain shake but just as effective. Doesn't happen very often in boxing because of the small target area (unless you are a giant) and large gloved fist. http://hubpages.com/hub/Knockout-How-Does-it-Work

you ever took a shot in the same way howard , and i so how did it efect you at that time ?