Ricky vs Oscar?

[WestEndRiot]

According to Jeff Powell this could take place next year. I have to say, i'm usually dead against these fights where a former great is dragged out of retirement (or a long lay off) for a big money fight and the public is conned into thinking they are seeing two of the world's best at the top of their game.

However, this is one i wouldn't miss. Always regretted not getting a chance to see De La Hoya live and after the way both their careers ended this could be a competitive, well matched fight.

Thoughts?

edit.. here's the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... -Hoya.html

[Cotto16]

I like the fight 2 legends battle it out, i cant wait if its in england am going

[Glyn Leach]

Vile, sickening exercise in moneymaking

[Chambers2]

Vile, sickening exercise in moneymaking

Agreed. I hope it doesn't happen, but there's no doubting it will generate a small fortune, so it probably will

[MightyWarrior]

Horrible fight. Oscar sees someone he thinks is even more shot than he is, and looks to cash in. Hasn't he got enough money yet?

[Rocky Balboa]

According to Jeff Powell this could take place next year. I have to say, i'm usually dead against these fights where a former great is dragged out of retirement (or a long lay off) for a big money fight and the public is conned into thinking they are seeing two of the world's best at the top of their game.

However, this is one i wouldn't miss. Always regretted not getting a chance to see De La Hoya live and after the way both their careers ended this could be a competitive, well matched fight.

Thoughts?

edit.. here's the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... -Hoya.html

Did you see Hatton at Haye vs Harrison? He looks nowhere near in any sort of credible condition. At what weight would this take place? De La Hoya won't fight at anything lower than 154lbs & Hatton's not even a Welterweight!

Fight won't happen, standard!

[WestEndRiot]

According to Jeff Powell this could take place next year. I have to say, i'm usually dead against these fights where a former great is dragged out of retirement (or a long lay off) for a big money fight and the public is conned into thinking they are seeing two of the world's best at the top of their game.

However, this is one i wouldn't miss. Always regretted not getting a chance to see De La Hoya live and after the way both their careers ended this could be a competitive, well matched fight.

Thoughts?

edit.. here's the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... -Hoya.html

Did you see Hatton at Haye vs Harrison? He looks nowhere near in any sort of credible condition. At what weight would this take place? De La Hoya won't fight at anything lower than 154lbs & Hatton's not even a Welterweight!

Fight won't happen, standard!

Of course he wasn't in shape, but even at his peak Hatton was always out of shape until about 2 months before a fight. De La Hoya did 145 in his last fight so there's no reason they can't meet at a catchweight somewhere around there.

I realise it's a cynical moneymaking fight but i'd pay to see Oscar whoever was in the opposite corner. I'm not fooled into thinking i'd be seeing the fight of the century, although i'm sure many casual fans will be, and that's the way it would be marketed.

[stujones]

Horrible fight. Oscar sees someone he thinks is even more shot than he is, and looks to cash in. Hasn't he got enough money yet?

Maybe, but at the end of the day he is a fighter. People forget about that - been doing it since he was a pup. We've all seen, and can empathise, that Ricky is struggling to let go something he has been doing for 20 years - why can't it be the same for Oscar. Why are people always stating "it only about the money for him". I think people have forgotton that Oscar was fighting people for nothing for many years.

Macho - I sort of agree, but sort of not agree with your analogy. Mainly because it wasn't so long ago that these were both at the top of their game. These legends football matches are more comparable to Holyfield vs Botha - which didn't come close to selling out.

[Glyn Leach]

Says a lot about Oscar and GBP that they would even contemplate a fight against someone who has been through what Hatton has been through so recently, let alone talk about it to a journalist. They are so far removed from reality it's untrue. Literally all they care about is money.

[Chambers2]

Horrible fight. Oscar sees someone he thinks is even more shot than he is, and looks to cash in. Hasn't he got enough money yet?

Maybe, but at the end of the day he is a fighter. People forget about that - been doing it since he was a pup. We've all seen, and can empathise, that Ricky is struggling to let go something he has been doing for 20 years - why can't it be the same for Oscar. Why are people always stating "it only about the money for him". I think people have forgotton that Oscar was fighting people for nothing for many years.

because he's targetting a retired and shot Ricky Hatton rather than someone like Sergio Martinez.

The same applies to Ricky too, money is Hattons God

[broncobuster]

i just hope Ricky's got more sense, and stay's retired. Oscars a greedy get:D

[Glyn Leach]

Oscar fought people for nothing for many years? First time I've heard that. I thought he was an Olympic gold medallist who turned pro with a big contract. Am I thinking of someone else?

[Terrrrry]

Both have too many interests in the boxing world outside of the ring for this to take place, in my opinion.

[Final round]

Can't believe Del a Hoya has even come out with this garbage.

[Glyn Leach]

Part of Oscar's logic will be to keep HBO onside. GBP's old names don't do the numbers they used to and the prospects they've signed haven't broken through yet, so HBO are getting restless. But on Oscar comeback fight is different, a mega PPV event that HBO can clean up on, and it will allow Oscar to gain time until his youngsters are more ready, bridge the gap between GBP's old and new generations so to speak and not lose HBO, the most important ally GBP have.

[stujones]

Oscar fought people for nothing for many years? First time I've heard that. I thought he was an Olympic gold medallist who turned pro with a big contract. Am I thinking of someone else?

Amateur scene. He wasn't late to the amateur game. He's been fighting since he was a pup.

[stujones]

Macho - I sort of agree, but sort of not agree with your analogy. Mainly because it wasn't so long ago that these were both at the top of their game. These legends football matches are more comparable to Holyfield vs Botha - which didn't come close to selling out.

If this match took place next summer - it will be nearly three years since Ricky won a fight (plus two years of being inactive and overweight) and an even longer period of inactivity for the, by then, 38-year-old, 18 year pro, Oscar. As for when they were at the top of their respective games, I would say Ricky five years ago and Oscar 12 or 13 years ago.

They had (especially Oscar) long careers - I think you are correct in saying when their pomps were. However, I don't think you could say they were completely finished untill alot more recently.

Oscar did go on to win multiple world titles after 97. Indeed, he hadn't lost a fight untill 11 years ago. He looked pretty damn good against Mayweather in 2007, and demolished Mayorga .

Similar to Ricky - yep, is absolute peak was against Tszyu - didn't look shabby against Malignaggi.

Although I do generally agree with your points.... I doubt it happens personally. I think GPB wants Ricky back, and are using the DLH carrott to dangle over him. Personally, I think they want Khan vs Hatton.

[ourkid1984]

Lets face it if either of these fought anyone it would still receive massive PPV figures so combining them both it would probably out sell the previous PPV records. So bearing this in mind it is great sense for them to do it as what's been reminded recently is that boxing is business first then sport especially when fighters become mega stars.

I don't think it will happen and neither do I think it should happen but I won't be massively suprised if it does and will I pay to watch it in whatever means if it does? Dam yes!

Just like if Lewis came out of retirement to fight Holyfield or someone like that.

[Glyn Leach]

Oscar fought people for nothing for many years? First time I've heard that. I thought he was an Olympic gold medallist who turned pro with a big contract. Am I thinking of someone else?

Amateur scene. He wasn't late to the amateur game. He's been fighting since he was a pup.

He turned pro when he was 19 Stu, a kid. There are people on this site, and I don't even mean the boxers, who will have had a harder first 19 years of life than Oscar WITHOUT the multi million dollars that followed. Having boxed as an amateur, a star one in the days when America looked after its amateur fighters, doesn't give him the right to abuse the sport as a promoter. He gets no sympathy from me mate.

[stujones]

He doesn't get any sympathy from me either, although I do think what he does as a promoter should reflect what he did in the ring. I'm never sympathised with DLH situation, well I say I lie - I thought he beat Mayweather and Mosley (in the rematch). Although might be Karma for the close decisions that went for him (had some other close ones that went against that I did agree with also). I would say in the grand scheme of things Oscar might justifiably say he has been more unlucky than lucky when its come to close decisions.

However, what I feel Oscar doesn't get enough credit for being is being a fighter and a athlete. Oscar fought some of the toughest guys out, some past their prime yes (none available any better though), some at their absolute best. I aint saying he's the greatest fighter the world as ever seen, but he was pretty damn special if you ask me.

Yet, maybe cause of his looks, or his voice, or his all American smile. There seems to be big cynics about his bottle and him being a "fighter". Nobody has questioned the recent comebacks of Morales and Barrera, well they have questioned "why" but no-one has suggested - "Oh they are just doing it for the money"... They don't need the cash also..... but people have said it just they cannot say good bye to fighting. Oscar, all throughout his career, has been treated with a similar level of sceptism as Ray Leonard was before he proved his balls.

I don't think this will happen. I think Oscar mulled long enough over his retirement to make it final. It wasn't a haste decision, and I do think he looked at all scenario's - but I honestly don't think money was EVERYTHING in that time. I'm sure he was thinking of his boxing, his legacy, could he still perform at 154 etc.

I don't see what is so wrong to think that someone who has boxed at the very top for so long, might miss the competition also. I've no doubt money has a big big part, but take all the money away and I still think we have a fighter... just like Ricky, just like David Haye.

[Glyn Leach]

Got you Stu - I think! Yes, I'm sure he's missing the limelight. Wrote in a column a couple of months back that I thought he looked a little bit too excited in the ring before one of GBP's promotions, like he wanted to get his hands dirty again. Must say, I had no problem with Oscar as a fighter. Fought virtually anyone he could, even if some of them were a bit past their sell-by date. But I could ramble on about the wrongs of Oscar the promoter until the cows come home. And this Hatton idea smacks of Oscar the promoter as much as it does Oscar the retired fighter who wants to come back.

So many reasons not to like the fight. Ricky's health problems; What weight would it be at for God's sake? Not just a cynical match, but potentially dangerous. If Oscar wants to come back, fine, but he should leave Hatton out of the equation. It's just wrong. At least when Ray Leonard used to make his comebacks he'd pick an active fighter in his own weight class as an opponent. Oscar struggled with the weight for Pacquiao, so I'd say the best he could hope for is middleweight at this stage. Hatton at middleweight? Oh dear.

[leforge]

Says a lot about Oscar and GBP that they would even contemplate a fight against someone who has been through what Hatton has been through so recently, let alone talk about it to a journalist. They are so far removed from reality it's untrue. Literally all they care about is money.

They thinking fight in uk sell out wembley or man city stadium easy money! In fact it will
make money.

[stujones]

Got you Stu - I think! Yes, I'm sure he's missing the limelight. Wrote in a column a couple of months back that I thought he looked a little bit too excited in the ring before one of GBP's promotions, like he wanted to get his hands dirty again. Must say, I had no problem with Oscar as a fighter. Fought virtually anyone he could, even if some of them were a bit past their sell-by date. But I could ramble on about the wrongs of Oscar the promoter until the cows come home. And this Hatton idea smacks of Oscar the promoter as much as it does Oscar the retired fighter who wants to come back.

So many reasons not to like the fight. Ricky's health problems; What weight would it be at for God's sake? Not just a cynical match, but potentially dangerous. If Oscar wants to come back, fine, but he should leave Hatton out of the equation. It's just wrong. At least when Ray Leonard used to make his comebacks he'd pick an active fighter in his own weight class as an opponent. Oscar struggled with the weight for Pacquiao, so I'd say the best he could hope for is middleweight at this stage. Hatton at middleweight? Oh dear.

Sorry for the shit load of typo's in my previous post.... appauling from me there was in a rush.

[jamesmcdonnell]

According to Jeff Powell this could take place next year. I have to say, i'm usually dead against these fights where a former great is dragged out of retirement (or a long lay off) for a big money fight and the public is conned into thinking they are seeing two of the world's best at the top of their game.

However, this is one i wouldn't miss. Always regretted not getting a chance to see De La Hoya live and after the way both their careers ended this could be a competitive, well matched fight.

Thoughts?

edit.. here's the link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/others ... -Hoya.html

Did you see Hatton at Haye vs Harrison? He looks nowhere near in any sort of credible condition. At what weight would this take place? De La Hoya won't fight at anything lower than 154lbs & Hatton's not even a Welterweight!

Fight won't happen, standard!

Of course he wasn't in shape, but even at his peak Hatton was always out of shape until about 2 months before a fight. De La Hoya did 145 in his last fight so there's no reason they can't meet at a catchweight somewhere around there.

I realise it's a cynical moneymaking fight but i'd pay to see Oscar whoever was in the opposite corner. I'm not fooled into thinking i'd be seeing the fight of the century, although i'm sure many casual fans will be, and that's the way it would be marketed.

No way can Oscar make 147 safely now. He was dry as a bone against Manny, and had absolutely nothing in the tank.

[Nightmare Roy]

Vile, sickening exercise in moneymaking

Agreed. I hope it doesn't happen, but there's no doubting it will generate a small fortune, so it probably will

I'm not so sure it's just about money with either of them, they were both superstars, with a massive fan base, it must be hard for them, they must miss that feeling of walking to the ring and being cheered on buy tens of thousands of people. Also would the money make that much difference to them, hatton has earned close to £50 mill and ODH £200 mil from what ive read and heard. I'd be suprised if they got more than £10 mil a piece for this if it were to happen.