Classic American West Coast Boxing

[Randyman]

Do you guys remember Crime Story with Dennis Farina? It was set in the early 1960's.

Crime Story Opening Theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7U2rXyjZTI

[Randyman]

Hippies and all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTe7jhjnc0
Scott McKenzie...San Francisco

Frank, thanks for posting that. I haven't heard it quite a while. I was stationed in Alameda Naval Air Station in '72 and '73 on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Coral Sea. It's scrap metal now. I was also stationed for a couple of month on Treasure Island. We used to go into San Francisco a lot. There were still scattered remnants of hippies walking around but their days were numbered. Seems like a life time ago.

[kikibalt]

Do you guys remember Crime Story with Dennis Farina? It was set in the early 1960's.

Crime Story Opening Theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7U2rXyjZTI

I don't remember the show, but I was never much of a TV watcher. I do know Farina was a real cop at one time

[kikibalt]

Hippies and all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTe7jhjnc0
Scott McKenzie...San Francisco

Frank, thanks for posting that. I haven't heard it quite a while. I was stationed in Alameda Naval Air Station in '72 and '73 on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Coral Sea. It's scrap metal now. I was also stationed for a couple of month on Treasure Island. We used to go into San Francisco a lot. There were still scattered remnants of hippies walking around but their days were numbered. Seems like a life time ago.

I used to go to the Bay area often in the '60's and '70's, used to see the hippies all the time, I always thought they were cool people....

1967..."The Summer Of Love"

[Rick Farris]

Hippies and all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTe7jhjnc0
Scott McKenzie...San Francisco

Mel would never approve of this on a boxing site.
He'd call us communists. Pinko bastids.

[Randyman]

Rick, I don't think Mel ever approved of anything in his life.

[CNorkusJr]

Charlie I am sure you have heard these conspiracy guys when it comes to 911, what do think of all the people who claim that there is no way the building could come down by being hit by the airplanes, I personally think they have people who want to start an issue on anything and try and blame the government for everything.

Yes,Hammer, I am certainly aware of the various stories that appeared around after the attack. New York is and always been a hub for such anti-gov't. theories. Even much more today than, like say, the 60's & anti-war 70's.
One theory that made around town quickly was that a group of Israeli Nationals were jumping up and down with glee on the waterfront in or near Hoboken,New Jersey (directly across the Hudson River from the World Trade Center) shortly after the planes hit. One theory was that Jewish Commandos were behind the plane attacks to get the USA into the Middle east conflicts for good.
Once the ID's of the Arab terrorists were well known and on film the theory fell apart quickly.

Another more important one was that explosions in the lobbies in the various bldgs. could be seen and heard just as the planes hit. Fact- JP-Fuel (super high octane jet fuel) that filled the wings of both planes cascaded down the inner core of the structures through elevator shafts before it could be burned off on the upper floors. When the fuel got to the bottom (lobbies) it pooled and ignited from burning debris falling.This caused massive blow-out type explosions (little fire since it was contained within shafts) that caused the massive lobby windows to be blown out and structural damage occurred.
People theorized that bombs detonated in the lobbies. -Not true.
I agree with you that many persons are anti-govt. and looking for anything to latch onto. I am unaware of any theory that proved federal govt was behind any of this- but I claim not to know all. It would all be new to me.
Many despicable acts occurred during our subsequent work down there.

I ask you to please do not make out Rudy Guiliani (our mayor at the time)
to be a hero at this event. He was a mayor who was thrown into the mess and he knew he had better act rather than run. His Police Commissioner (Bernard Kerik-now a convicted felon) and Fire Comm. (Thomas Von essen) were also against helping families and Firefighters & Police who were there doing our jobs. I can list many faults among these 3 men but I would need many pages. Here's one though that the press was bought off from:
6 months into digging out the debris and finding remains of many victims daily, one night, at 2am, a horn sounded at the site. All workers were instructed to leave. Doing so quickly-the firefighters were told to go to the recuperation tent and wait. They did not. They watched from a secured location. Press and TV, and union machine operaters(cranes,backhoes etc etc) were evacuated as well-to many blocks away.
Firefighters watched as several camouflaged military type covered flatbed trucks entered the pit below. They circled in one corner till they formed a semi circle around a building. Many (approx 100-200) khaki uniformed dressed men (women maybe also?) with automatic gun rifles of various sizes as well as hand held rocket launches appeared out of the trucks.
The firefighters were astonished as witnesses to this covert operation.
A bulldozer cleared a final hill of debris that opened a gaping hole in where bldg 7 was. It was a hole to the New York Underground Treasury Dept.
Over the next 5 hours , several pallets of Gold Bullion Bars were off loaded into about 12 trucks and under military guard disappeared into the night on the Westside Hwy. destination unknown.All this can be seen by the naked eye.The trick was that no one was admitted into that area for blocks around except us.
****The next day****-Mayor Guiliani announced the the site was finished as far as possible body recovery and that remaining debris is just that and the remainder will be picked up without thorough search and discarded.
At this time only 400-500 peoples remains were ID'd till now.
A huge week of protests occurred at which he was called every name in the book at any and all functions he attended. He eventually relented-opened the site back up and we eventually found approx 1,000-1,200 more bodies or parts that have been ID'd. All this would have never occurred if he had his way. The Federal govt then approved more funds for the debris removal and proper search.EPA Chief Christie Whitman looked us all in the eye also and said the air that was at the site was monitored daily and was safe to breath. To date: 873 survivors of the collapse,nearby residents & pit workers have died an early death from the various diseases from the pit toxins. This is all in the autopsy reports and doctors documented papers.1,000's more are ill.
To this day Rudy Guiliani or his Commissioners ever had mentioned this one event that would have caused much grief . The story is out but no comments are covered in the press. It was all about the gold recovery to them and not the victims. Just like the Federal Govt doesnt approve funds for our care now. Or just like Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans was a Fed. Govt boondoggle. Or Agent Orange in vietnam wasnt settled until thousands of military vets died. I pray Calif. does not rely on Fed. funds for the fire devistation out by you guys. Its about the money and not the people's care or health.
Sorry about the ranting-but I get very stirred up about what I have seen and heard.

[raylawpc]

Hippies and all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijTe7jhjnc0
Scott McKenzie...San Francisco

Frank, thanks for posting that. I haven't heard it quite a while. I was stationed in Alameda Naval Air Station in '72 and '73 on the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Coral Sea. It's scrap metal now. I was also stationed for a couple of month on Treasure Island. We used to go into San Francisco a lot. There were still scattered remnants of hippies walking around but their days were numbered. Seems like a life time ago.

I used to go to the Bay area often in the '60's and '70's, used to see the hippies all the time, I always thought they were cool people....

1967..."The Summer Of Love"

When I was a kid in 1967, we took a family vacation to Disneyland. We drove all the way out from Oklahoma City - kind of like the Griswalds in National Lampoon Vacation - but without the misadventures. Anyway, one night we drove down Sunset Boulevard to look at the Hippies. We didn't have Hippies in Oklahoma City in 1967, and my parents wanted to see what a Hippie looked like.

[CNorkusJr]

Final score . . .

Jets - 30
Texans - 27

The N.Y. Jets
(It seems Sanchez made up for the interception. )

Just what I need to calm me down from my WTC post. I was at the game today and I can tell you that this was the roller coaster ride of my life.
I admit that after Rackers hit that last field goal that put Houston up by 4, I thought it was over and we no way will we pull it out - YET AGAIN.

I can only tell you that as I was packing my stuff into my day bag to leave-the drive was unfolding. Sanchez had been over throwing the receivers all day- zipping the ball too far in front of Dustin Keller all day too.
Bad penalties and bad play calls during 2nd half- I thought "No way".
But the Sanchez to Braylon Edwards strike had my heart pumping through my chest.What a pass-and catch ! No field goal would help; down by 4.
The lob to Santonio Holmes was beautifully placed,but was he in ?.
2 minutes later-the scoreboard replay ! Free kisses in the stadium to any females left ;;-) . High Fives till my fingers fell off. Destiny they yelled.
Thanksgiving night will be no turkey- we're roasting Terrill Owens & Ochocinnco with a side order of Carson Palmer.

Your right Rick, the Sanchez interception that led to the field goal was big enough- but the Shonn Greene fumble at midfield in the previous Jet set of downs was the game ender to many-as they headed to the doors after that. Only the die-hards remained, and then only the believers were the only ones yelling for yet another incredible finish. I fall into die-hard category.

[kikibalt]

A little L.A. music history.

My friends and I used to hang at Dolphinso's back in the early '50's, that's how I came to know Central Ave....

http://dolphinsofhollywood.com/home/about/history/

[kikibalt]

Coffee is ready ya'all

[kikibalt]

Connie and I have an anniversary coming up in December, I asked her if she knew how many years it would be that we had been married come December, after doing the math, she said: "It will be 56 years"
Me: "Baby; we have to get to 70 years"
She then proceeded to drop the f-bomb, which is rare for her
"Fu*k NO!!....

[CNorkusJr]

Don't worry Frank. Wait till Connie gets her new clothesline and blue pins.
Then she will change her tune and see that 70 years is just a short magic carpet ride away.

Congrats on a loving 56 years of marriage Frank ! Thats a Great number for both of you two to achieve. Or for anybody to achieve,matter of fact. Much to be proud about. Many more, buddy.

[kikibalt]

Don't worry Frank. Wait till Connie gets her new clothesline and blue pins.
Then she will change her tune and see that 70 years is just a short magic carpet ride away.

Congrats on a loving 56 years of marriage Frank ! Thats a Great number for both of you two to achieve. Or for anybody to achieve,matter of fact. Much to be proud about. Many more, buddy.

Thanks Charlie, for most part its been a great time for us, sure; that has been bumps along the way, 99.9 created by me, but we have endue because of Connie, no other woman would have put up with the things she did. SHE IS A GREAT WOMAN AND I.... TO HER

We can banter with each other, make fun of each other without getting pissed off, that has helped keep our marriage together....

Clothesline and pins? she already told me what I can do with them; so I don't want to go there....

[Chuck1052]

Frank, Happy 56th Anniversary! Thanks for the link to the informative and fascinating article about John Dolphin.

- Chuck Johnston

[kikibalt]

Frank, Happy 56th Anniversary! Thanks for the link to the informative and fascinating article about John Dolphin.

- Chuck Johnston

Thanks Chuck.

Had great times at Dolphin's circa 1951

[Panzerfaust]

Lifting the bann

These days there is a proposal on lifting the bann on proffesional boxing here in Norway. Most likely it will be shot down with the reasoning ''This looks savage,we dont like it'' or ''We have medical examinations proving beyond a doubt that 90%of profesional boxers get severe brain damage''

What they have is a survey from 1928 where a Dr. Harrison Martland went to a promotor looking for boxers the promotor thought might have brain dammage, He got 23 names and went on to survey 5 (!!!!!!!) of them. (and if i remember correctly two of them were alcoholics, and one or more had been in severe accidents) concluding that 90% of profesional boxers end up brain dammaged.

And even if it was so(wich its not), theres always a little thing called freedom of choice.... well most places anyway except nations like North Korea, Iran, Cuba and Norway

The Nurses assosiasition in UK was asked by the medical assosiacion to support a bann on boxing and chose not to without even considering the medical aspects...freedom opf choice they said

It quite the uphill battle, oh well maybe 2013 F*cking communists


The Nurses assosiasition in UK was asked by the medical assosiacion to support a bann on boxing and chose not to without even considering the medical aspects...freedom opf choice they said

[THEHAMMER321]

Do you guys remember Crime Story with Dennis Farina? It was set in the early 1960's.

Crime Story Opening Theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7U2rXyjZTI

Randy, they used to film this show about a block from where my parents and I were living, we lived on 9th about a block from Fremont street and I would walk over to see if I could see anyone but all I remember were the old cars and they would wet the street down for the filming , I would say that was about 1986, I might be wrong because I didn't watch the show very much but I thought it was only filmed here in Vegas.

[Rick Farris]

Connie and I have an anniversary coming up in December, I asked her if she knew how many years it would be that we had been married come December, after doing the math, she said: "It will be 56 years"
Me: "Baby; we have to get to 70 years"
She then proceeded to drop the f-bomb, which is rare for her
"Fu*k NO!!....

After reading your post, I say to Monica, "Baby, Frank & Connie have been married 56 years, I hope we stay together 56 years."
She looked at me , thought out the math for a moment and answered, "You were 56 when we married, which means you'd be 112 and I'd be 101. I'd rather be dead."

No respect!

[Rick Farris]

Lifting the bann

These days there is a proposal on lifting the bann on proffesional boxing here in Norway. Most likely it will be shot down with the reasoning ''This looks savage,we dont like it'' or ''We have medical examinations proving beyond a doubt that 90%of profesional boxers get severe brain damage''

What they have is a survey from 1928 where a Dr. Harrison Martland went to a promotor looking for boxers the promotor thought might have brain dammage, He got 23 names and went on to survey 5 (!!!!!!!) of them. (and if i remember correctly two of them were alcoholics, and one or more had been in severe accidents) concluding that 90% of profesional boxers end up brain dammaged.

And even if it was so(wich its not), theres always a little thing called freedom of choice.... well most places anyway except nations like North Korea, Iran, Cuba and Norway

The Nurses assosiasition in UK was asked by the medical assosiacion to support a bann on boxing and chose not to without even considering the medical aspects...freedom opf choice they said

It quite the uphill battle, oh well maybe 2013 F*cking communists


The Nurses assosiasition in UK was asked by the medical assosiacion to support a bann on boxing and chose not to without even considering the medical aspects...freedom opf choice they said

A matter of choice? . . .

I believe that Norweigians have as much right to brain damage as the rest of the world.
I wish you luck, Remy. Your a boxing guy, it would make life a little better for guys like you.
There is no question that boxing is a damaging sport. But I believe it should be a matter of choice.
It's not an activity that many gravitate to as a competitor. Despite it's popularity, it's a game only few choose to play.

[CNorkusJr]

Remy-Though pro boxing is illegal there; I'm thinking that you mean pro match up on a fight card is disallowed. Is training in gyms allowed or boxing gyms outlawed to operate there as well. A fighter can train in the gym and then go fight in other parts of Europe -thats what I'm driving at.

If the gyms are outlawed- are there any underground (not seen) gyms running but out of view of the general public.

Back in the 1920's here in the states they banned alcohol. The era was called "Prohibition"- but every state had more operating bars in it than anyone can imagine- mostly called "speak-easys" back then. For some years before that, a few, but not all states here banned boxing too around that time. Boxers fought on boats on the water-to get around the state property ban on boxing. I am not suggesting that can happen over there either . But there are more than a few ways to skin a cat.

I'm sure there are guys there that wish to become boxers-though it might mean travelling, and hard to get licensed or sanctioned.
How do you see it over there ?

[bennie]

One thing we can be sure of this Saturday in Helsinki: Carl Froch against Arthur Abraham is going to be a war.
Froch, the big, strong Nottingham man of Polish descent, faces the big, strong Abraham, a German of Armenian descent - two powerhouses coming together, two powerhouses desperate to win after their last fights, their first ever losses. It whips up a mixture marked 'explosive'.
Froch was outsmarted by Danish star Mikkel Kessler earlier this year in Denmark to see his record fall to 25-1 (20) while Abraham got slung out against slick American Andre Dirrell over in the States and fell to 31-1 (25). Neither defeat signifies the end. Indeed, a quick look at Froch's record tells you that he has never faced a puncher like Abraham, but then, Abraham has never faced a super-middleweight like Froch, with his iron jaw, his long arms, his heavy hands and his cleverness. Abraham was down at middleweight just a year ago.
The key to the winner of this one lies in Froch's chin. Abraham is going to hit Froch with the kind of shots that buckled his previous opponents, and the cocksure Briton is going to shrug them off and fire back. Both men enjoy great stamina, so the fight is sure to hit the later rounds, by which time Carl's greater natural strength will begin to tell and he seals victory with a particularly big finish.
Froch, on a brutal decision.

[telboy66]

Not for me Bennie, Froch has never come to the table with more than one game plan & as you rightly say he has never faced as big a puncher as Abraham, If Froch can't dispatch him early then he will just keep plugging away with the same old crash bang style. I think Abraham can wear him down for a tenth Round TKO

[Panzerfaust]

Remy-Though pro boxing is illegal there; I'm thinking that you mean pro match up on a fight card is disallowed. Is training in gyms allowed or boxing gyms outlawed to operate there as well. A fighter can train in the gym and then go fight in other parts of Europe -thats what I'm driving at.

If the gyms are outlawed- are there any underground (not seen) gyms running but out of view of the general public.

Back in the 1920's here in the states they banned alcohol. The era was called "Prohibition"- but every state had more operating bars in it than anyone can imagine- mostly called "speak-easys" back then. For some years before that, a few, but not all states here banned boxing too around that time. Boxers fought on boats on the water-to get around the state property ban on boxing. I am not suggesting that can happen over there either . But there are more than a few ways to skin a cat.

I'm sure there are guys there that wish to become boxers-though it might mean travelling, and hard to get licensed or sanctioned.
How do you see it over there ?

It a ban on arranging proffesional fights not boxing gyms. The idea of the boat has allready been talked of, theres talk of arranging a fight on the norwegian-danish ferry with our female boxing star, Cecilia Braekhus.
But having to travel often means quite poor economic chances for the fighters aswell as recieving few breaks always having to fight abroad. Thuss!!!!!! (and this pisses me of the most) I have to go abroad to see a live show

[THEHAMMER321]

Frank whats up.