Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

Frank whats up.

Connie has me in a time out.....

[Rick Farris]

One thing we can be sure of this Saturday in Helsinki: Carl Froch against Arthur Abraham is going to be a war.
Froch, the big, strong Nottingham man of Polish descent, faces the big, strong Abraham, a German of Armenian descent - two powerhouses coming together, two powerhouses desperate to win after their last fights, their first ever losses. It whips up a mixture marked 'explosive'.
Froch was outsmarted by Danish star Mikkel Kessler earlier this year in Denmark to see his record fall to 25-1 (20) while Abraham got slung out against slick American Andre Dirrell over in the States and fell to 31-1 (25). Neither defeat signifies the end. Indeed, a quick look at Froch's record tells you that he has never faced a puncher like Abraham, but then, Abraham has never faced a super-middleweight like Froch, with his iron jaw, his long arms, his heavy hands and his cleverness. Abraham was down at middleweight just a year ago.
The key to the winner of this one lies in Froch's chin. Abraham is going to hit Froch with the kind of shots that buckled his previous opponents, and the cocksure Briton is going to shrug them off and fire back. Both men enjoy great stamina, so the fight is sure to hit the later rounds, by which time Carl's greater natural strength will begin to tell and he seals victory with a particularly big finish.
Froch, on a brutal decision.

The Creme of the Crap . . .

I see a well matched contest of sub par talent.
Abraham is strong, but he's weak of heart. I've yet to see an Armenian or Eastern European fighter that posesses the heart of a Mexican.
Brits generally have the big heart, but they seem to get lost on their way to victory. The Americans are just lost .
Abraham poses himself as a destroyer, women are for more dangerous.
Froch is a stand-up embarassment who best re-break this already broken boogy man, or forever hold his peace.
If he can't win here, chop him up and use him as fertilizer.

[Rick Farris]

Frank whats up.

Connie has me in a time out.....

A time out?
Frank, you better contact Tom and have him provide legal interpretation of the "Kept Man Manuel".
Something seems amiss?
My vision of being a kept man included things like total freedom, unlimited sex, time to write, workout, sleep, travel, etc.
(And even a few things with the wife. )
You're my "Kept Man" mentor, and it seems things aren't quite as I expected?

[CNorkusJr]

Remy-Though pro boxing is illegal there; I'm thinking that you mean pro match up on a fight card is disallowed. Is training in gyms allowed or boxing gyms outlawed to operate there as well. A fighter can train in the gym and then go fight in other parts of Europe -thats what I'm driving at.

If the gyms are outlawed- are there any underground (not seen) gyms running but out of view of the general public.

Back in the 1920's here in the states they banned alcohol. The era was called "Prohibition"- but every state had more operating bars in it than anyone can imagine- mostly called "speak-easys" back then. For some years before that, a few, but not all states here banned boxing too around that time. Boxers fought on boats on the water-to get around the state property ban on boxing. I am not suggesting that can happen over there either . But there are more than a few ways to skin a cat.

I'm sure there are guys there that wish to become boxers-though it might mean travelling, and hard to get licensed or sanctioned.
How do you see it over there ?

It a ban on arranging proffesional fights not boxing gyms. The idea of the boat has allready been talked of, theres talk of arranging a fight on the norwegian-danish ferry with our female boxing star, Cecilia Braekhus.
But having to travel often means quite poor economic chances for the fighters aswell as recieving few breaks always having to fight abroad. Thuss!!!!!! (and this pisses me of the most) I have to go abroad to see a live show

Thanks for clarifying that Remy. I'd be pissed too if I had to travel miles & go to another country to see the fights.
After taking a few moments to wrap my head around this, I really think this is absurd.Rick is absolutely right. With all the things that go on in this world (where boxing is accepted in most decent places) ; if two combatents that are properly trained, want to fight in front of a crowd, why Not ?
The logic that they can train there but not fight in the country is even more
absurd. Hopefully you can get some sportsmen in parliment there to over see the change someday. Usually with politics (especially here in the USA)
money is a driving force between everything. Maybe if the country realized it could hold a Pacman/Margarito fight , and tax the hell out of the production, and make money to line the pockets of the politicians like it does here, then maybe they will come around. What your country politicians need is more GREED than social awareness & caring heart. Something our politicians lost years ago.

[Rick Farris]

Audie Aragon . . .

Audie is the son of Art Aragon and was named for the former welterweight contender's friend, WW2 hero, Audie Murphy.
Audie isn't a boxer's, he's a dolly grip in the film industry and is working with me on "Spider Man-4" at Sony Studios.
I've known Audie since the late 70's, when we both broke into the film industry at Universal Studios, and when we cross paths on film sets it's always a great chance to discuss the career of Audie's dad, who is the real Golden Boy.

Yesterday, we were discussing former promoter Don Fraser and Audie told me he's known Don his entire life, and that Don and his mother had both worked in the same bank as tellers when they were young.

[kikibalt]

Frank whats up.

Connie has me in a time out.....

A time out?
Frank, you better contact Tom and have him provide legal interpretation of the "Kept Man Manuel".
Something seems amiss?
My vision of being a kept man included things like total freedom, unlimited sex, time to write, workout, sleep, travel, etc.
(And even a few things with the wife. )
You're my "Kept Man" mentor, and it seems things aren't quite as I expected?

Rick, Connie has been on my ass to help her clean the house because the family is having Thanksgiving dinner here, she told me if I didn't help her she was going to shoot all my computers....
I might have to talk to Tom 'bout this, I need to be a kept man again...

[bennie]

Both Anthony Small and his boxing career lost their way earlier this year but the former British and Commonwealth light-middleweight champion who has announced his retirement from boxing at the age of 29 did enough in six years as a pro to warrant some sort of a tribute, as unpopular as he is right now.
Small won his titles with an eight-round stoppage of Manchester's stocky Matthew Hall last year in Manchester, retaining with a close decision over slippery Thomas McDonagh, another Manchester man, in Wigan last November. The Deptford stylist, quick, sharp-hitting and superbly built, looked a big favourite to see off London rival Sam Webb in his next defence but he let things slip away from him, already engrained in his Muslim beliefs, as Webb finished strongly to sneak a decision in Dagenham earlier this year. Frankly, Webb wanted it more; Anthony never fought again.
Small is an attention-seeker. He did not fancy the idea of rebuilding his boxing career in the shadows and chose other ways to court publicity. I remember Small, who was on his way to the ring, turning and barking several excitable words in my direction after I mentioned his name to a friend. My overriding memory of him is the way he staggered across a London ring to complain to referee Howard Foster, who had just rescued him against Bradley Pryce in seven rounds in 2007. Small was clearly 'gone' but the stoppage cost him his unbeaten record and a feeling in the trade that Small was headed for big, big things.
After Pryce, you knew that Small was good but not good enough.

[telboy66]

Good riddance we don't need racist pricks in sport whatever their beliefs

[kikibalt]

Don't eat too much!!!!

[Rick Farris]

Connie has me in a time out.....

A time out?
Frank, you better contact Tom and have him provide legal interpretation of the "Kept Man Manuel".
Something seems amiss?
My vision of being a kept man included things like total freedom, unlimited sex, time to write, workout, sleep, travel, etc.
(And even a few things with the wife. )
You're my "Kept Man" mentor, and it seems things aren't quite as I expected?

Rick, Connie has been on my ass to help her clean the house because the family is having Thanksgiving dinner here, she told me if I didn't help her she was going to shoot all my computers....
I might have to talk to Tom 'bout this, I need to be a kept man again...

Keep me posted, Frank. This throws a monkey wrench into my "Kept Man" fantasy.

[Rick Farris]

Audie Aragon . . .

Audie is the son of Art Aragon and was named for the former welterweight contender's friend, WW2 hero, Audie Murphy.
Audie isn't a boxer's, he's a dolly grip in the film industry and is working with me on "Spider Man-4" at Sony Studios.
I've known Audie since the late 70's, when we both broke into the film industry at Universal Studios, and when we cross paths on film sets it's always a great chance to discuss the career of Audie's dad, who is the real Golden Boy.

Yesterday, we were discussing former promoter Don Fraser and Audie told me he's known Don his entire life, and that Don and his mother had both worked in the same bank as tellers when they were young.

I talked to Don Fraser about this today and he told me that after he finished his hitch in the Army, he worked at a bank on Main Street in downtown L.A. and at the time Art Aragon's first wife also worked there as a teller.

[Rick Farris]

Rick, Connie has been on my ass to help her clean the house because the family is having Thanksgiving dinner here, she told me if I didn't help her she was going to shoot all my computers....
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Frank, maybe you can get one of your doctors to write a note "excusing you" from housework.
Have him suggest that house work could result in a seizure, and that computor involvment is theraputic.
And maybe you should try to squeeze a few more miles out of that fall you took the other day.
Consider a limp? A delayed reaction from the accident.
Galantly volunteer to help, despite your infirmary.
Explain that it would have to be something you can do sitting down (eliminates just about everything, even dish washing.)
Let her know that you're in her corner, despite injury and illness.

[kikibalt]

Rick, Connie has been on my ass to help her clean the house because the family is having Thanksgiving dinner here, she told me if I didn't help her she was going to shoot all my computers....
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Frank, maybe you can get one of your doctors to write a note "excusing you" from housework.
Have him suggest that house work could result in a seizure, and that computor involvment is theraputic.
And maybe you should try to squeeze a few more miles out of that fall you took the other day.
Consider a limp? A delayed reaction from the accident.
Galantly volunteer to help, despite your infirmary.
Explain that it would have to be something you can do sitting down (eliminates just about everything, even dish washing.)
Let her know that you're in her corner, despite injury and illness.

Rick I tried to milk the fall as much as I could, but Connie wasn't buying any of it, "start cleaning or see your computers shot", said Connie.... so I cleaned... . Have to wait til after the holidays to get back to been a kept man....

[Rick Farris]

Rick, Connie has been on my ass to help her clean the house because the family is having Thanksgiving dinner here, she told me if I didn't help her she was going to shoot all my computers....
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Frank, maybe you can get one of your doctors to write a note "excusing you" from housework.
Have him suggest that house work could result in a seizure, and that computor involvment is theraputic.
And maybe you should try to squeeze a few more miles out of that fall you took the other day.
Consider a limp? A delayed reaction from the accident.
Galantly volunteer to help, despite your infirmary.
Explain that it would have to be something you can do sitting down (eliminates just about everything, even dish washing.)
Let her know that you're in her corner, despite injury and illness.

Rick I tried to milk the fall as much as I could, but Connie wasn't buying any of it, "start cleaning or see your computers shot", said Connie.... so I cleaned... . Have to wait til after the holidays to get back to been a kept man....

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you.

[CNorkusJr]

The heck with Bear- Tommorrow Bring on the Turkey & stuffing.
Tommorrow night -Jets & Bengals after the Turkey and Stuffing. I dont know if you guys get the game on TV out there- but its gonna be a beauty.
Revis & Owens going at it in the newspaper here.
Cold & Rainy Thurs. nite.. Its football time.
I miss Madden and his 4 legged Turkeys-remember ?

Hmmmm, Roasted Bengel Tiger for Thanksgiving. Could start something new.

Happy Thanksgiving to All my Friends at CAWCB. Enjoy.

Charlie & Roseann Norkus

[THEHAMMER321]

Happy Thanksgiving to all cawcb posters.

[kikibalt]

Rick, Connie has been on my ass to help her clean the house because the family is having Thanksgiving dinner here, she told me if I didn't help her she was going to shoot all my computers....
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Frank, maybe you can get one of your doctors to write a note "excusing you" from housework.
Have him suggest that house work could result in a seizure, and that computor involvment is theraputic.
And maybe you should try to squeeze a few more miles out of that fall you took the other day.
Consider a limp? A delayed reaction from the accident.
Galantly volunteer to help, despite your infirmary.
Explain that it would have to be something you can do sitting down (eliminates just about everything, even dish washing.)
Let her know that you're in her corner, despite injury and illness.

Rick I tried to milk the fall as much as I could, but Connie wasn't buying any of it, "start cleaning or see your computers shot", said Connie.... so I cleaned... . Have to wait til after the holidays to get back to been a kept man....

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you.

The bear ate me....

[kikibalt]

Have a great Thanksgiving ya'all.....

[THEHAMMER321]

Have a great Thanksgiving ya'all.....

Frank I know you are from southern cal., but you sound like your from South Carolina,
ya'all.

[kikibalt]

Have a great Thanksgiving ya'all.....

Frank I know you are from southern cal., but you sound like your from South Carolina,
ya'all.

I got like that hanging around with Tom....

[bennie]

Carl Froch fought like a man who felt he was invincible when he dropped a unanimous 12-round decision to Mikkel Kessler last April in Denmark. Froch went into the fight unbeaten but rarely threw enough punches to win the rounds away from home. It may serve as a timely lesson for the big, strong Nottingham man who ventures to Finland this weekend to face huge-punching German Arthur Abraham in the biggest trade fight for many a year.
Froch had looked lucky to take a split decision over Andre Dirrell prior to Kessler and was trailing on points when he finished Jermain Taylor with just seconds to go last year. Lady Luck deserted him against Kessler and she does him no favours with this match, either.
Abraham, a burly former middleweight star, won the respect of the boxing world four years ago when he survived a horribly broken jaw to outpoint Colombian wildman Edison Miranda. Abraham hammered Miranda in four rounds in a rematch and ran out of challengers at middleweight, moving up to super-middleweight last year with a respective 12-round knockout of the unfortunate Taylor. However, like Froch, Abraham comes off a humbling first defeat. He was frustrated by the slick, talented Dirrell earlier this year in the States and, way behind on points, whacked Dirrell on the floor in the 11th round after a slip, and was slung out.
Now with a record of 31-1 (25), "King" Arthur first came to prominence with a unanimous points win over Froch's then stablemate Howard Eastman in a 12-rounder in 2005. Two fights later he picked up the IBF middleweight belt by blasting Nigeria's Kingsley Ikeke in five rounds and went on to make 10 successful defences, some of them spectacular, prior to his fledgling super-middleweight campaign.
For his part, Froch, 26-1 (20), dominated the domestic super-middleweight scene for many years, stopping men of the calibre of Brian Magee and Robin Reid, before graduating to the WBC super-middleweight title with a thrilling decision over top Canadian Jean Pascal in 2008, now the WBC light-heavyweight champion, a belt Froch retained twice up to Kessler. The sheer size of Froch might surprise Abraham, who has yet to really 'grow' into the 12 stoners. Froch's durability may also surprise Abraham, so used to bowling over the middleweights.
Nevertheless, this is classic pick 'em, one of those rare meetings on which you would never bet your house. Personally, I lean towards Froch, after one almighty struggle.

[kikibalt]

The heck with Bear- Tommorrow Bring on the Turkey & stuffing.
Tommorrow night -Jets & Bengals after the Turkey and Stuffing. I dont know if you guys get the game on TV out there- but its gonna be a beauty.
Revis & Owens going at it in the newspaper here.
Cold & Rainy Thurs. nite.. Its football time.
I miss Madden and his 4 legged Turkeys-remember ?

Hmmmm, Roasted Bengel Tiger for Thanksgiving. Could start something new.

Happy Thanksgiving to All my Friends at CAWCB. Enjoy.

Charlie & Roseann Norkus

Charlie & Roseann, have a great turkey day at the game.

The JETS game will be seen in SoCal only on NFL, Network, which I don't have...

[Rick Farris]

The heck with Bear- Tommorrow Bring on the Turkey & stuffing.
Tommorrow night -Jets & Bengals after the Turkey and Stuffing. I dont know if you guys get the game on TV out there- but its gonna be a beauty.
Revis & Owens going at it in the newspaper here.
Cold & Rainy Thurs. nite.. Its football time.
I miss Madden and his 4 legged Turkeys-remember ?

Hmmmm, Roasted Bengel Tiger for Thanksgiving. Could start something new.

Happy Thanksgiving to All my Friends at CAWCB. Enjoy.

Charlie & Roseann Norkus

Charlie & Roseann, have a great turkey day at the game.

The JETS game will be seen in SoCal only on NFL, Network, which I don't have...

JETS!

I'm only interested in the Jets this season, win or lose.
No Jets, no football for me on this holiday.
Last week I looked to see if the Jets were televised locally and they weren't.
So as I sat writing on the computor, I followed the game on line.
I was very happy when the Raiders came to L.A. as they were still THE RAIDERS.
First season here they brought L.A. our first Super Bowl trophy.
After that, they seemed to go Hollywood and fell apart.
I was glad when Al Davis packed them up and moved them back up North.
Maybe it's better if we in L.A. don't have an NFL team?
I'm enjoying the Jets and the quarterback who couldn't get a snap playing behind Matt Leinert at USC.
Sanchez is learning, and doing pretty good for a young QB. I believe he will get better with time.

[scartissue]

I'm planning on eating excessively and becoming uncomfortably full today. It's the means to my goal I'm looking forward to. Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone.

Scartissue

[kikibalt]

The heck with Bear- Tommorrow Bring on the Turkey & stuffing.
Tommorrow night -Jets & Bengals after the Turkey and Stuffing. I dont know if you guys get the game on TV out there- but its gonna be a beauty.
Revis & Owens going at it in the newspaper here.
Cold & Rainy Thurs. nite.. Its football time.
I miss Madden and his 4 legged Turkeys-remember ?

Hmmmm, Roasted Bengel Tiger for Thanksgiving. Could start something new.

Happy Thanksgiving to All my Friends at CAWCB. Enjoy.

Charlie & Roseann Norkus

Charlie & Roseann, have a great turkey day at the game.

The JETS game will be seen in SoCal only on NFL, Network, which I don't have...

JETS!

I'm only interested in the Jets this season, win or lose.
No Jets, no football for me on this holiday.
Last week I looked to see if the Jets were televised locally and they weren't.
So as I sat writing on the computor, I followed the game on line.
I was very happy when the Raiders came to L.A. as they were still THE RAIDERS.
First season here they brought L.A. our first Super Bowl trophy.
After that, they seemed to go Hollywood and fell apart.
I was glad when Al Davis packed them up and moved them back up North.
Maybe it's better if we in L.A. don't have an NFL team?
I'm enjoying the Jets and the quarterback who couldn't get a snap playing behind Matt Leinert at USC.
Sanchez is learning, and doing pretty good for a young QB. I believe he will get better with time.

Rick, we're on the same page, I too only care about the JETS this season, they're the only team I'll follow this season.
I was talking football with Don Fraser this morning and I told him I was only following the JETS, he told me the only reason I was doing that was because they have a Chicano QB, I told him that we all have our faults.....