is carl froch top 10

[15829]

after his win against abraham and his last 5 oppnents is froch in everyones top 10 pfp hes now in mine

[MIG]

Sure is!

[gobbles]

No. Neither was Abraham after Dirrell outboxed him.

Great performance, but it needs some perspective.

[Horse]

No. Neither was Abraham after Dirrell outboxed him.

Great performance, but it needs some perspective.

Why would Abraham be top 10 P4P after Dirrell outboxed him?

Froch has picked up very good World class wins against Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell and Abraham. How many other fighters have better wins than that over the last two years?

Froch is a definite contender for a top 10 P4P ranking. I currently have Froch in my top 10 P4P World ranking.

[gobbles]

No. Neither was Abraham after Dirrell outboxed him.

Great performance, but it needs some perspective.

Why would Abraham be top 10 P4P after Dirrell outboxed him?

Froch has picked up very good World class wins against Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell and Abraham. How many other fighters have better wins than that over the last two years?

Froch is a definite contender for a top 10 P4P ranking. I currently have Froch in my top 10 P4P World ranking.

Well he lost to Kessler, so then you would have to have Kessler and Ward in your top ten a well as Froch. I don't

[Horse]

Well he lost to Kessler, so then you would have to have Kessler and Ward in your top ten a well as Froch. I don't

I don't have to have Kessler or Ward in my top 10 and I don't.

Froch has a better record than Kessler or Ward, so he is higher in my rankings.

[15829]

froch better be no1 in your p4p list

[Horse]

froch better be no1 in your p4p list

It would be strange if he wasn't.

[15829]

i like your list but you make alot of stranfge choices with it

[Horse]

i like your list but you make alot of stranfge choices with it

So would anyone if they kept posting it month after month.

[mickey1975]

So what would Kessler have to do to take over Froch in your list considering he has beaten him this year(fairly according to 99% of people)?
Or Ward considering he shut out Kessler?

[Counter-puncher]

i like your list but you make alot of stranfge choices with it

So would anyone if they kept posting it month after month.

[big lennox]

Absolutely top 10.He's got a very good cv now.He can be very proud of himself.I was very pleased for him, but felt a little sorry for Abraham, whose corner looked really annoyed with him...why don't they box Froch instead?I suspect it would end a lot worse for them.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hmm, not sure about that. He's not proven himself the dominant force at 168 yet, so how can he be top 10 P4P?

I mean, well done Carl and all, but let's not get carried away. There's a lot of other fighters deserve consideration out there.

Taylor and Abraham remember were never 'the man' at 168, and so we need to take that with a pinch of salt. It's an impressive run alright, but he needs to beat Ward and Bute for me to enter the top 10. If he then beats a triumphant Pascal, then he goes top 5 for me possibly.

[Adamj1987]

not in my p4p but he has mucho espect his last easy fight was rybacki when inkin pulled out

[Horse]

Hmm, not sure about that. He's not proven himself the dominant force at 168 yet, so how can he be top 10 P4P?

I mean, well done Carl and all, but let's not get carried away. There's a lot of other fighters deserve consideration out there.

Can you name 10 that should definitely be above Froch?

I would say Pacquaio, Mayweather, Marquez, Martinez and W. Klitschko should definitely be above him. I also have Cotto, Lopez and Hopkins above Froch.

Do Williams, Darchinyan, R. Marquez, Bradley, Ward, Montiel, Haye, Adamek, Wonjongkam, Pascal, Segura or any others have a better case than Froch?

Taylor and Abraham remember were never 'the man' at 168, and so we need to take that with a pinch of salt. It's an impressive run alright, but he needs to beat Ward and Bute for me to enter the top 10. If he then beats a triumphant Pascal, then he goes top 5 for me possibly.

If he beats Johnson, Ward, Bute and a triumphant Pascal; on top of what he has already done, then he is a contender for the P4P No. 1 spot.

[ourkid1984]

Tough one because he has always stayed at the Super middle whereas others in the p4p have moved around weight divisions more than gypsies move towns but that does not mean Froch shouldn't be high up on a p4p list.

Yeah he's lost to Kessler (close decision) but has beat the light heavy ruler pascal and does it take him up the ratings if Pascal beats Hopkins? He's one of the only current boxers that won't dodge anyone and has fought and beat the best in the division. Just because Kessler beat him and Ward beat Kessler doesn't really mean anything some of the best boxers current and old have had similar records.

Moreless every great boxer has had at least 1 loss and Froch is no different and I think he has learnt from that.

I don't believe that Froch will make many people's p4p unless he wins the super 6 but I think he can win it. I would say Froch is currently just out of the top 10.

[Captain Hook]

No. Neither was Abraham after Dirrell outboxed him.

Great performance, but it needs some perspective.

Why would Abraham be top 10 P4P after Dirrell outboxed him?

Froch has picked up very good World class wins against Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell and Abraham. How many other fighters have better wins than that over the last two years?

Froch is a definite contender for a top 10 P4P ranking. I currently have Froch in my top 10 P4P World ranking.

I don't often agree with the Horse but he's right......besides Pacman who the hell has taken on and beaten better and bigger names than Froch? He's in there with Martinez, Mayweather, Pac, Marquez et al......tremendous achievements since beating Pascal.

[Captain Hook]

P I meant in the last two years, not in their entire career. Taylor, Abraham, Dirrell and Pascal put him up there for me, even with the Kessler loss....He'd certainly be in the top 10 for me.

[stujones]

Kessler and Ward should be above him. If Abraham had dismantled Dirrell then a possible case that you could say Froch had a couple of off nights and then beat the overwhelming favourite of the super 6 then I would agree.... he didn't.

He aint a million miles away, but I would have him 4th behind Ward, Bute and Kessler in the Super Middleweights. Two of these might both be in the lower end of the top ten. I would have Kessler and Froch in the top 20 for sure, but not in the top 10.

Montiel has a much much much better case in being in the top 10 P4P than Froch.... What does he have to do to get some credit?

Isn't it a little ironic that some can "overide" the fact that he lost a fair decision to Kessler a few months ago and he can leap frog him. Yet, Pascal who hasn't lost since, beaten arguably better opposition (and convincingly) cannot.

[Horse]

Montiel has a much much much better case in being in the top 10 P4P than Froch.... What does he have to do to get some credit?

Apart from his win against Hasegawa, what other recent big wins does Montiel have? He has a case for being above Froch, but I don't think it is much better than Froch's.

Isn't it a little ironic that some can "overide" the fact that he lost a fair decision to Kessler a few months ago and he can leap frog him. Yet, Pascal who hasn't lost since, beaten arguably better opposition (and convincingly) cannot.

Who says Pascal can't leapfrog anyone?

I moved Pascal above Froch after he beat Dawson and then I moved Froch above Pascal after he beat Abraham. They can both overtake each other as they pick up good wins.


Froch: Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler (lost) & Abraham
Pascal: Nievas, Diaconu, Branco, Diaconu & Dawson

It is arguable that Pascal has done more than Froch since their fight, but I think Froch has done more.

[stujones]

Apart from Hasewaga!!!!! - the guy was a champion for 5 years making numerous defensives before being stretched by Montiel... and he has won a new title out at Featherweight. Hasewaga has a major case to be P4P material himself.

Montiel won his Super Flyweight from a defending champion (something Froch has yet to do) and beat a few recent former champions in his reign.

[fasteddie]

i dont think he is top ten but i put him as the best in britain at the moment after that fight

[whiskey]

Pound for pound is a total load of bollocks.

[Horse]

Apart from Hasewaga!!!!! - the guy was a champion for 5 years making numerous defensives before being stretched by Montiel... and he has won a new title out at Featherweight. Hasewaga has a major case to be P4P material himself.

Montiel won his Super Flyweight from a defending champion (something Froch has yet to do) and beat a few recent former champions in his reign.

His win against Hasegawa was very good, but none of his other recent victories seem to be big wins. Are his wins against Rafael Concepcion, Ciso Morales or Diego Silva considered big wins?

Even if he should be ranked above Froch, so what? It is possible for both of them to be in the top 10.