Golota - Brewster result

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 May 2005, 10:28

BubiScholz wrote:IMO Golota has always been overestimated as something like a "white hope" or whatever. he is nothing more as the "undisputed heavyweight championship loser". he is not better than our european top fighters like Luan Krasniqi, Sinan Samil Sam or Valuev, who have worked hard and still are working hard for a title fight.

I agree, although I still would like to see Valuev prove himself a bit more before putting him in the Laun or Sam category.

Golota was no better than Zelko Mavrovic and it is a worry that he should have beaten Byrd and nearly beat Ruiz.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 23 May 2005, 10:52

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BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 23 May 2005, 10:58

stujones wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:IMO Golota has always been overestimated as something like a "white hope" or whatever. he is nothing more as the "undisputed heavyweight championship loser". he is not better than our european top fighters like Luan Krasniqi, Sinan Samil Sam or Valuev, who have worked hard and still are working hard for a title fight.
I agree, although I still would like to see Valuev prove himself a bit more before putting him in the Laun or Sam category.

Golota was no better than Zelko Mavrovic and it is a worry that he should have beaten Byrd and nearly beat Ruiz.

A Byrd or a Ruiz are not better than our top Europeans. Our boxers have improved in comparison to the americans. the influences and skills from the former eastern block top boxers and trainers had just an influence on europe.

Valuev would convince me if he finally would beat a top boxer with a late stoppage or an UD win. But he took a good way and will be #1 at the WBA and will fight vs Ruiz or at least in an Eliminator.....

Sam took the harder one, the WBC-way, but he is already #3 and, winning his next fight, will be #2 after the Rahman-Barrett-fight. Then a big name is to fight in order to get #1: Williamson, Peter or Maskaev.

Luan has, after 2 years of hard working, physically and mentally, now tha chance to fight for the WBO championship. In Germany at Max`s 100th Birthday. What a deal!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2005, 13:43

I have to agree with Bubi I have never rated Golota. Even the washed up version of Bowe he fought in the second fight had him on the floor and in a panic. Lewis blew him away.

fornicating hell Michael Grant beat him!!

I hear some big money went on Golota, who in their right mind would do that?

Brewster is not better than we thought, just he can punch and Golota cannot fight under pressure. Respect to Brewster and his camp for an excellent fight plan, and bravery in just coming out slugging rather than feeling out the first round.

If Byrd or Ruiz would have adopted the same tactics I am sure even with less power than Brewster they would have walloped him at some point early on aswell. But they didnt have the balls to take it to him bascially.

Whatever anyones thoughts on Brewster the man has balls and can hit so I'd like to see more of him than Byrd or Ruiz.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 23 May 2005, 13:45

In the boxrec ratings, Brewster is #12 at heavyweight while Wladimir Klitschko is #5. Very peculiar something is amiss surely.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 23 May 2005, 14:05

I agree with the previous comments, as i said in an earlier post i just don't think Golota was ever any good, the guy has had so many chances at the top it is untrue. In eras gone by he would barely be a top 50 fighter.

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 23 May 2005, 14:18

Blimey, there's a lot of 20/20 hindsight in here. I don't remember anyone saying that Bowe was washed-up at the time, but now the two performances that Golota put in against him mean nothing, aparently. Byrd and Ruiz would've, should've, and could've beaten him easily too, I see. That's funny, because I remember them being outboxed for sustained periods, and being on the recieving end of some generous judges.

I tend to think what I thought of Golota before the fight: a very talented boxer, but a very questionable fighter. Pressure, either from the opposition or himself can send him over the edge. Its a shame he could never hold things together upstairs for long, but there you go. 50% of this game is 90% mental and all that.

Credit to Brewster, who's just done what Ruiz & Byrd didn't (regardless of if & buts) and has put himself well in the mix in a still very poor division.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 23 May 2005, 14:32

mickeybeard wrote:Blimey, there's a lot of 20/20 hindsight in here. I don't remember anyone saying that Bowe was washed-up at the time, but now the two performances that Golota put in against him mean nothing, aparently. Byrd and Ruiz would've, should've, and could've beaten him easily too, I see. That's funny, because I remember them being outboxed for sustained periods, and being on the recieving end of some generous judges.

I tend to think what I thought of Golota before the fight: a very talented boxer, but a very questionable fighter. Pressure, either from the opposition or himself can send him over the edge. Its a shame he could never hold things together upstairs for long, but there you go. 50% of this game is 90% mental and all that.

Credit to Brewster, who's just done what Ruiz & Byrd didn't (regardless of if & buts) and has put himself well in the mix in a still very poor division.

Agreed. As for Brewster - he is ordinary.

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 23 May 2005, 14:34

Manos de Oro wrote: Agreed. As for Brewster - he is ordinary.

Yup - although I have a feeling he might just prove to be good-ordinary, which is plenty in a very ordinary division...

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 24 May 2005, 05:38

The division is not that weak as everybody makes it. Light Heavy is weaker IMO. AS Lewsi was active and the WBC Champ nobody was talking about a weak division. Now just he is gone.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 24 May 2005, 08:07

Bowe was clearly not the same fighter who beat Holyfield when he faced Golota, his balance was shot, his reflexes were gone, and he was getting hurt by jabs. I watched both fights the other day, and Bowe was clearly physically shot to shit. Even so, he managed to get his arse off the canvas and panic Golota into fouling and losing the fight, Golota's always had mental problems, that's why I picked Brewster to win this one, not because I believed in Brewster, but because Golota has failed in every big fight he's been involved in.

Innit great.

mickeybeard · Post by **mickeybeard** » 24 May 2005, 09:32

BubiScholz wrote:The division is not that weak as everybody makes it. Light Heavy is weaker IMO. AS Lewis was active and the WBC Champ nobody was talking about a weak division. Now just he is gone.

But people were saying the division was weak when Lewis was about. It's all I ever heard when talking to my dad and uncles. Maybe the generation who grew up watching the Lewis era have now turned into "it were better in my day" types, or maybe people are just now looking back a little more fondly at the period, including the eras of non-shot Bowe and Holyfield and a couple of decent periphery players like Mercer & Morrison.

I honestly don't remember anyone saying that Bowe was shot at the time of the fights with Golota. At the time everyone put it down to Golota being pretty useful, but proper mental.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 24 May 2005, 11:12

The difference is that, for the first time there is no top american boxer. Tyson and Holy are done. There is no new american generation. Nothing at all. The future champs will be from Europe. V.KLitschko and Valuev will rule this division in the future, plus Krasniqi, Peter, W.KLitschko (evtl.), Sinan Samil Sam (evtl.). Even the british guys are not worse than the Americans IMO. Guys like Barret are overhyped.. The talents are guys like Chagaev, Dimitrenko, POvetkin, Bidenko, Greenberg and others. Idon´t see any american talent. We all just must get used to the new names. LHW is totaly shot IMO but not Heavy.