sorrysg1985 wrote:Yes I know, I was agreeing with you.Counter-puncher wrote:sg1985 wrote: But he was a LW back then, you can't use what happens afterwards to discredit something. If he'd have fought and beat Murray it would have been a good win, him moving up to LWW wouldn't change that for me. It would for some, but some people won't give certain fighters credit for anything.
i'm not discrediting
i'm pre-emptively discrediting the (Khan)discreditors a la your last sentence.
Mate, I think you're a sound poster, but there's definitely some kind of bias at play here.G0mez wrote:Fact's are an absolute killer aren't they CP?
Nevermind your what's, if's and maybe's - there all simply your opinion.
Here's another fact - when the BBBoC called for purse bids between Thaxton (British champ) and Khan (Commonwealth champ) he backed out of it. It was well documented.
Like when Khan declared he 'owned' John Murray in sparring... despite never ever sparring Murray, it was all fantasy.
Here's another fact - whilst Khan was being fed gimme's like Salita and Malignaggi, GBP were matching Maidana as hard as they could. They threw him to Ortiz and smashed him up. Then 24-0 18ko Victor Cayo was next and he decked him twice to a 6th round stoppage.
GBP were trying to derail Maidana's charge at the title. They were trying to knock him down, not build him up. Only a lacklustre effort against Corely, rumours of weight struggles and the WBA intervening to make this happen actually sealed this deal as Freddie went on record more than once to state Maidana was too much risk and too little reward.
It was reported in the Telegraph or Daily Mail, that Maidana stated one of the reasons he sacked his manager, was that to get a GBP deal his ex-manager signed a clause that Maidana couldn't try to force the fight or mention Khan until April 2011. Why's that? it's big balls of cotton wool again.
Whether Maidana wins or not is irrelevant - the point is that Khan has been wrapped in cotton wool since the get go and is everything that is wrong with boxing. He is a product with a marketing machine behind him.
Khan's arrogance know's no bounds. That was obvious when a guest in the Sky box for Murray's last fight when he said "he'd be an easy night's work" and recently has stated with regards Mayweather that "Thats a 50/50 fight right now" and plans on fighting him next year.
Maidana is hardly cut from the same cloth as Kostya Tszyu in any shape or form is rightfully and underdog. So when he loses in that manner it wont be a shock to anyone. But if he does cut Khan off and shuts this hype machine down, I wont be surprised and will be glad.
Feel free to pick apart the facts - but they're well documented.
Call me a hater, say what you like about me - but im more interested in what you think about the points ive made.
It's called yanking someone's chain Charliecharlieb wrote:
Mate, I think you're a sound poster, but there's definitely some kind of bias at play here.
I have to dissagree, I fall into a totally different category, I think the guy a knob in the highest regard, but overall a breat boxer. If he would shut his gob up a bit more then a lot more people would like him and that is nothing to do with race or religion as i know a lot of people who absolutely loved Naseem Hamed but cannot stand Khan.dekker88 wrote:hardcore boxing fans aside the rest of the public mainly fall into two camps....racist dicks who wanna see him lose because of his ethnicity and religion....and others who get behind him because he's british..
personally i like him....and like his attitude...
it does make me laugh when people say that the arrogance of a boxer is something they find offensive...
without arrogance none of em would ever get in the ring in the first place.
i dont think you are from america mate because you used the word ALLEDGEDLY lol it dont matter though good post ??Dynamic Hispanic wrote:Hey guys,
I'm an American observer of the sport and am curious what the level of support Amir Khan is receiving over there now that he has made his trek to the States and works at Wildcard with Freddie Roach. Is he in danger of becoming the pariah that Lennox Lewis did when he ditched the UK for Canada early on and fought mostly in the States during his reign?
John Evans at Undisputed Fight Magazine takes a look from that point of view and I am curious if you guys agree with him. What's the split?
Is there more than gold on the line Saturday for Amir Khan?
by John Evans
Amir Khan faces more than the light welterweight division’s most devastating puncher this Saturday night. He faces a battle to win over his critics.
Despite rebounding from a devasting first round knockout defeat to the big punching but limited Breidis Prescott by claiming the WBA world title and following that with a string of career best performances, the doubts persist over Khans ability to take a punch. Whilst some fighters choose to look for excuses after their first defeat, Khan realised that changes needed to be made and reinvented himself. Breaking away from allegedly and the comforts of the UK, Khan put his career in the hands of Golden Boy Promotions, stepped up to 140lbs and moved his training operations to the worlds toughest proving ground, the famed Wildcard Gym in Hollywood.
Just over 2 years later, Khan has upped his game to such an extent that the worlds most respected trainer Freddie Roach has decided to delay his retirement in order to continue working with him. Training alongside Manny Pacquiao looks to have inspired Khan and he seems to have benefitted greatly from working with Pacquiao’sstrength and conditioning coach Alex Ariza. Whilst many commend Khan and admire the improvements he has made there still remains that lingering doubt.
What will happen when he gets hit? These doubts don’t just stem from the Prescott fight. Although he came through his early career apprenticeship unbeaten, Khan found himself on the floor on numerous occasions. Whilst his wins over Michael Gomez and Willie Limond were good domestic victories, the way Khan was tagged and rocked raised immediate concerns. As often happens with an unbeaten prospect, the flaws are brushed under the carpet as long as the wins keep coming. The demolition at the hands of the at the time unknown Prescott meant these flaws could no longer be ignored and has fuelled his critics ever since.
Click here to read the rest...
BoxRec automatically changes Franks name.1southpaw wrote:i dont think you are from america mate because you used the word ALLEDGEDLY lol it dont matter though good post ??Dynamic Hispanic wrote:Hey guys,
I'm an American observer of the sport and am curious what the level of support Amir Khan is receiving over there now that he has made his trek to the States and works at Wildcard with Freddie Roach. Is he in danger of becoming the pariah that Lennox Lewis did when he ditched the UK for Canada early on and fought mostly in the States during his reign?
John Evans at Undisputed Fight Magazine takes a look from that point of view and I am curious if you guys agree with him. What's the split?
Is there more than gold on the line Saturday for Amir Khan?
by John Evans
Amir Khan faces more than the light welterweight division’s most devastating puncher this Saturday night. He faces a battle to win over his critics.
Despite rebounding from a devasting first round knockout defeat to the big punching but limited Breidis Prescott by claiming the WBA world title and following that with a string of career best performances, the doubts persist over Khans ability to take a punch. Whilst some fighters choose to look for excuses after their first defeat, Khan realised that changes needed to be made and reinvented himself. Breaking away from allegedly and the comforts of the UK, Khan put his career in the hands of Golden Boy Promotions, stepped up to 140lbs and moved his training operations to the worlds toughest proving ground, the famed Wildcard Gym in Hollywood.
Just over 2 years later, Khan has upped his game to such an extent that the worlds most respected trainer Freddie Roach has decided to delay his retirement in order to continue working with him. Training alongside Manny Pacquiao looks to have inspired Khan and he seems to have benefitted greatly from working with Pacquiao’sstrength and conditioning coach Alex Ariza. Whilst many commend Khan and admire the improvements he has made there still remains that lingering doubt.
What will happen when he gets hit? These doubts don’t just stem from the Prescott fight. Although he came through his early career apprenticeship unbeaten, Khan found himself on the floor on numerous occasions. Whilst his wins over Michael Gomez and Willie Limond were good domestic victories, the way Khan was tagged and rocked raised immediate concerns. As often happens with an unbeaten prospect, the flaws are brushed under the carpet as long as the wins keep coming. The demolition at the hands of the at the time unknown Prescott meant these flaws could no longer be ignored and has fuelled his critics ever since.
Click here to read the rest...
like Khan never having fought the best superfeatherweights in Britain? yup, they are such a killer these facts of yours.G0mez wrote:Fact's are an absolute killer aren't they CP?
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HATER.Counter-puncher wrote:
i'd like to see him win, but i was there when he got splattered over the canvas by Prescott and that was a decent chuckle, too, laughing out loud I was.
Or Athens. :)charlieb wrote:Edit: Sydney, not Beijing! Christ, time flies.
hey treacleG0mez wrote:HATER.Counter-puncher wrote:
i'd like to see him win, but i was there when he got splattered over the canvas by Prescott and that was a decent chuckle, too, laughing out loud I was.
wadey wrote:Well as soon as I woke up I put on Sky Sports News, hoping to hear of a brutal Khan defeat. But was dissapointed when it soon became clear that wasn't the case.
when he became a 17 year old overnight superstar the sky seemed the limit. A homegrown totally integrated young brit, loved by his trainers, his blackburn community and seemingly with a nice family.Dynamic Hispanic wrote:Hey guys,
I'm an American observer of the sport and am curious what the level of support Amir Khan is receiving over there now that he has made his trek to the States and works at Wildcard with Freddie Roach. Is he in danger of becoming the pariah that Lennox Lewis did when he ditched the UK for Canada early on and fought mostly in the States during his reign?
John Evans at Undisputed Fight Magazine takes a look from that point of view and I am curious if you guys agree with him. What's the split?
Is there more than gold on the line Saturday for Amir Khan?
by John Evans
Amir Khan faces more than the light welterweight division’s most devastating
puncher this Saturday night. He faces a battle to win over his critics.
Despite rebounding from a devasting first round knockout defeat to the big punching but limited Breidis Prescott by claiming the WBA world title and following that with a string of career best performances, the doubts persist over Khans ability to take a punch. Whilst some fighters choose to look for excuses after their first defeat, Khan realised that changes needed to be made and reinvented himself. Breaking away from allegedly and the comforts of the UK, Khan put his career in the hands of Golden Boy Promotions, stepped up to 140lbs and moved his training operations to the worlds toughest proving ground, the famed Wildcard Gym in Hollywood.
Just over 2 years later, Khan has upped his game to such an extent that the worlds most respected trainer Freddie Roach has decided to delay his retirement in order to continue working with him. Training alongside Manny Pacquiao looks to have inspired Khan and he seems to have benefitted greatly from working with Pacquiao’sstrength and conditioning coach Alex Ariza. Whilst many commend Khan and admire the improvements he has made there still remains that lingering doubt.
What will happen when he gets hit? These doubts don’t just stem from the Prescott fight. Although he came through his early career apprenticeship unbeaten, Khan found himself on the floor on numerous occasions. Whilst his wins over Michael Gomez and Willie Limond were good domestic victories, the way Khan was tagged and rocked raised immediate concerns. As often happens with an unbeaten prospect, the flaws are brushed under the carpet as long as the wins keep coming. The demolition at the hands of the at the time unknown Prescott meant these flaws could no longer be ignored and has fuelled his critics ever since.
Click here to read the rest...
mugabi wrote:He said in an asian magazine he shifted time between bolton and blackburn as a kid.
Thanks for the correction.
Just adding to my earlier post i think there is no doubt there is a fundamental hypocrisy in khan and he has alienated many. His talking about himself in the third person. His arrogant comparisons with mayweather. i beleive his management are to blame. This asif valli figure and others. Khans love of nightclubs,jordan, fast cars driven dangerously all stem from keeping bad company. This ridiculous khans army.