Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

BTW Frank, if you look at page 29 from boxers of the past you will see my post Tony ''The tiger'' Baltazar, I didn't realize it until I looked at the date, I have only posted on here for a year, I honestly thought it was longer than that.

Paul, a year?, that sounds about right...

[kikibalt]

Looking back at the Los Angeles fighters of the 1960s and 1970s, think of how much money at many of them would be making if they were young enough to be active at the present time.

- Chuck Johnston

I would be a rich man... , I would have enough money to buy you all a cup of coffee....

Frank, you know what brought me to this thread in the first place nearly 2 years ago ?, I posted on the boxers of the past forum, ''what ever happened to Tony Baltazar'' and somebody from the boxers of the past replied ''his father is a regular poster on CAWCB so that's how i ended up here, Tony was one of my favorite fighters growing up, I even bet on him versus Roger Mayweather, i had the whole family rooting him on including my late father more than 25 years ago, I can recall us jumping up for joy when the decision in Tony's favor was announced, great times.

Tony said to tell you he wants to meet you some day to thank you in person for believing in him...

[Rick Farris]

I would be a rich man... , I would have enough money to buy you all a cup of coffee....

Frank, you know what brought me to this thread in the first place nearly 2 years ago ?, I posted on the boxers of the past forum, ''what ever happened to Tony Baltazar'' and somebody from the boxers of the past replied ''his father is a regular poster on CAWCB so that's how i ended up here, Tony was one of my favorite fighters growing up, I even bet on him versus Roger Mayweather, i had the whole family rooting him on including my late father more than 25 years ago, I can recall us jumping up for joy when the decision in Tony's favor was announced, great times.

Tony said to tell you he wants to meet you some day to thank you in person for believing in him...

You know in June, a lot of us will get together. It will be one to remember.

[THEHAMMER321]

Rick I remember reading a story about Jimmy Heair in one of the boxing magazines back in the early 1980s, by that time he already had over 100 fights and had clearly seen better days,but he still had a boyish look with his redish hair, he was only old in ring years.

[Rick Farris]

Andy Price & Jimmy Heair's Nightmare . . .
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Rudy Barro

light welterweight
residence Stockton, California, United States
birth place Philippines
won 29 (KO 10) + lost 38 (KO 21) + drawn 2 = 69


1983-07-28 155 Tony Thomas 154 5-1-0
Marriott Hotel, Portland, Oregon, United States L KO 3
1982-02-09 151¼ Rocky Mattioli 155½ 60-7-2
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L TKO 2 10
1982-01-20 Ricci Wynne 9-2-1
San Jose, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1981-10-06 John Herbert 8-1-0
Seattle, Washington, United States L PTS 10 10
1981-09-04 Bobby Howard 11-9-3
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada W PTS 8 8
1981-07-21 Bert Lee 19-5-4
San Diego, California, United States L KO 4
1981-05-15 Andy Price 29-6-3
San Carlos, California, United States L KO 10
1981-03-08 151 Pablo Baez 149½ 10-9-1
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States D TD 2
1980-10-23 148 Lenny Hahn 148½ 9-1-2
Kennedy Pavilion, Spokane, Washington, United States L UD 10 10
judge: Joey Dolan 94-98 | judge: Joey August 91-98 | judge: Vic Felice 93-100

1980-07-29 Armando Ramirez 7-4-0
Honolulu, Hawaii, United States L KO 7
1980-04-21 Chico Salinas 5-0-0
Bakersfield, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1980-01-17 152 Victor Martinez 150 19-4-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L TKO 2 10
time: 2:03 | referee: Armando Muniz

1979-10-25 Darryl Penn 13-12-1
Portland, Oregon, United States L KO 5
1979-06-10 149 Darryl Penn 153 12-10-1
Stockton, California, United States L SD 10 10
1979-03-17 154 Jerry Cheatham 148 18-3-1
Tucson, Arizona, United States L KO 5
1978-12-09 Thomas Hearns 147 13-0-0
Cobo Arena, Detroit, Michigan, United States L KO 4 10
1978-11-08 145 Mario Mendez 143½ 3-10-0
Stockton, California, United States W KO 5
1978-09-26 145 Pablo Baez 144¾ 7-6-0
Sports Arena, Pico Rivera, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1978-08-31 147 Victor Abraham 146 16-8-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W SD 10 10
1978-08-05 144½ Darryl Penn 144 10-6-1
Elko, Nevada, United States W UD 10 10
referee: Norm Budden

1978-07-18 141 Zeferino Gonzalez 147 13-2-1
Arena, Pico Rivera, California, United States L UD 10 10
1978-07-02 145 Ruben Vazquez Zamora 146½ 11-17-0
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States W KO 3 10
1978-03-18 Kevin Morgan 16-6-0
Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States L KO 3
1978-02-11 146 Jimmy Jackson 148 18-15-2
Hilton Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L TKO 5 6
1978-01-19 146 Victor Abraham 143 13-8-0
Stockton, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1977-12-06 Colin Powers 17-1-1
Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom L PTS 10 10x3
1977-11-10 145 Babilah McCarthy 147¾ 6-7-2
Sacramento, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1977-09-06 Babilah McCarthy 6-7-1
Stateline, Nevada, United States D PTS 10 10
1977-07-30 Andy Price 23-4-3
Coliseum, El Paso, Texas, United States L TKO 6 10
1977-05-25 Bruce Curry 11-0-0
Stockton, California, United States L KO 8
1977-04-06 Pancho del Toro 2-2-0
Stockton, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1977-03-01 Javier Ayala 22-17-1
Hyatt Tahoe, Incline Village, Nevada, United States W KO 3
1977-02-15 Adolfo Viruet 14-1-0
Memorial Auditorium, Sacramento, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1977-01-19 145½ Andy Price 148¾ 21-3-3
Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L PTS 10 10
1976-12-16 145½ Mario Mendez 142 1-5-0
Sahara Tahoe Hotel, Stateline, Nevada, United States W TKO 6 10
1976-09-14 147 Pete Ranzany 148 26-1-0
Memorial Auditorium, Sacramento, California, United States L KO 2 10
1976-08-18 141 Leroy Haley 141 26-1-0
Silver Slipper, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States L UD 10 10
judge: Art Lurie 41-51 | judge: Bill Kipp 41-51 | 42-48

1976-07-29 Monroe Brooks 31-2-3
Honolulu, Hawaii, United States L PTS 10 10
1976-04-21 141 Rudy Hernandez 142 23-1-0
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1976-03-26 Jorge Ramirez
Honolulu, Hawaii, United States W KO 3 10
1976-03-18 Miguel Mayan 37-31-5
Stockton, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1976-01-29 144 Andy Price 145½ 18-1-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States L UD 10 10
1975-10-11 Esteban De Jesus 45-3-0
Roberto Clemente Coliseum, San Juan, Puerto Rico L TKO 5
1975-07-07 Hector Thompson 51-4-2
Festival Hall, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia L KO 6 15
referee: Des Crabbe

1975-06-21 140 Alfonso Frazer 140 36-10-1
Gimnasio Nuevo Panama, Panama City, Panama L UD 10 10
referee: Servio Tulio Lay

1975-01-25 135 Jimmy Noel 135 12-8-1
Rizal Open Arena, Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines W TKO 2 10
1974-11-16 Saensak Muangsurin
Bangkok, Thailand L KO 1
1974-07-31 138 Miguel Mayan 137 26-21-5
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1974-05-09 138 Jimmy Heair 136¾ 33-0-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W SD 10 10
1974-03-07 141 Quincy Daniels 145 11-1-0
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W TKO 9 10
referee: George Latka

1974-02-07 143 Andy Price 141½ 12-0-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States W KO 2 10
1973-11-07 Hedgemon Lewis 47-4-0
Sacramento, California, United States L KO 3 10
1973-10-23 140 Monroe Brooks 138½ 13-0-2
Sacramento, California, United States L UD 12 12
1973-06-14 144 Felipe Vaca 144 8-2-0
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States L PTS 10 10
1973-05-03 142½ Agapito Villegas 142½ 15-21-4
Stockton, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1973-03-26 Greg Potter 12-4-2
Lane County Fairgrounds, Eugene, Oregon, United States L PTS 10 10
1973-03-01 138 Nacho Del Rio 138 0-2-0
Stockton, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1973-02-08 137 Pete Vital 137 18-5-3
Stockton, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1973-01-16 136½ Enrique Jana 137 44-13-11
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States W PTS 10 10
1972-12-11 Tommy Coulson 3-12-1
Lane County Fairgrounds, Eugene, Oregon, United States W UD 10 10
1972-11-29 136 Jesus Chuchu Mariscal 136 2-8-3
Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States W KO 2 10
1972-11-06 Jesus Chuchu Mariscal 2-7-3
Lane County Fairgrounds, Eugene, Oregon, United States W UD 6 6
59-55 | 59-55 | 59-55

1972-07-21 131 Eiichi Nishimata 137 2-0-0
Agana, Guam L KO 1 10
time: 1:50

1972-06-23 Yutaka Kuniyoshi 1-0-0
Agana, Guam W PTS 10 10
1972-04-28 Shinichi Kadota 26-6-0
Tokyo, Japan L TKO 7 10
1971-11-13 Shinichi Kadota 25-5-0
Tokyo, Japan L KO 3 12
time: 1:50
OPBF lightweight title

1971-06-11 134 Jimmy Noel 135½ 9-5-1
Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines L PTS 10 10
1971-04-11 138½ Shingo Kitano 136½ 11-13-1
Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines W TKO 6 10
1971-02-12 Moises Cantoja 8-1-1
Rizal Memorial Coliseum, Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines W PTS 10 10

[Rick Farris]

Rick I remember reading a story about Jimmy Heair in one of the boxing magazines back in the early 1980s, by that time he already had over 100 fights and had clearly seen better days,but he still had a boyish look with his redish hair, he was only old in ring years.

Jimmy Heair in Retrospect . . .

In hindsight, it's easy for me to criticize Moore & Blouin tossing Heair into a Barro match.
They were matchable, but it was going to take a toll for little gain. It ended up taking a big toll for no gain.
I remember my friend Karl Nelson questioning the logic on the day of the match.
We'd just watched Barro turn Andy Price's world upside down by KOing him in two.
Now they try to get even using Heair? All they did was get him whipped.
Jimmy fought Barro harder than Price, but was hurt bad. Heair sucked it up, Price was overwhelmed.
I recall Karl calling me the next day, "Did you see that? I told you they should have avoided Barro."
He was right. Nothing to gain, everything to lose.
In years to come, after Rudy Barro was quite shop worn, Price would avenge his first pro loss.
But he waited until it was safe.
Can you blame him?

[kikibalt]

I seem to recall that Heair's fight with Barro was his first fight under his new management, that been after he left Moore & Blouin, now, I might be wrong, but that's my recollection....

[Rick Farris]

I seem to recall that Heair's fight with Barro was his first fight under his new management, that been after he left Moore & Blouin, now, I might be wrong, but that's my recollection....

Frank. I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered Karl and I questioning Moore & Blouin's decision?
Regardless, we definitly questioned whoever took the fight.
I didn't follow Jimmy Heair, but you couldn't help but know his career since he was so active early on.
He was my age and turned pro about a year after I did.
I rarely worked out at Hoover Street Gym where Jerry Moore's boxer's trained, I worked out of Main Street Gym.
I knew of Price, in 1966, I was 14 and he was 13, I boxed with him at Hoover Street Gym. He gave me a black eye.
Two years later, in 1968, we box an "exhibition" at the El Monte Legion Stadium on a saturday night.
I got even for the black eye and then some, and I know he remembers it.
(I made him a land owner! ) They stopped the fight. Ring announcer Danny Ledesma is confused. Thanks us for a good show.

[kikibalt]

Re Jimmy Heair....I recall having a drink with Jerry Moore at the Roger Young Auditorium bar, after our SoCal Coach's and Manager's Association meeting some time after Heair lost to Barro, and I remember him saying that Heair got his first lost after leaving him and Henry, AGAIN!, I want to say that I might just be all wrong in my recollection....

[Rick Farris]

Re Jimmy Heair....I recall having a drink with Jerry Moore at the Roger Young Auditorium bar, after our SoCal Coach's and Manager's Association meeting some time after Heair lost to Barro, and I remember him saying that Heair got his first lost after leaving him and Henry, AGAIN!, I want to say that I might just be all wrong in my recollection....

I'll take your memory as fact.
I do remember Karl & I questioning the intelligence of the match for Heair.
I related him with Moore & Blouin from the early days. Who was the new manager?
Frank, think of how often a buzzard like Ralph Gambina would swoup down and grab a guy like Heair.
Was it Gambina? Ralph took over Ruben Navarro's contract after Johnny Flores. Gambina's cut of every purse, 50% plus expenses.

[kikibalt]

Re Jimmy Heair....I recall having a drink with Jerry Moore at the Roger Young Auditorium bar, after our SoCal Coach's and Manager's Association meeting some time after Heair lost to Barro, and I remember him saying that Heair got his first lost after leaving him and Henry, AGAIN!, I want to say that I might just be all wrong in my recollection....

I'll take your memory as fact.
I do remember Karl & I questioning the intelligence of the match for Heair.
I related him with Moore & Blouin from the early days. Who was the new manager?
Frank, think of how often a buzzard like Ralph Gambina would swoup down and grab a guy like Heair.
Was it Gambina? Ralph took over Ruben Navarro's contract after Johnny Flores. Gambina's cut of every purse, 50% plus expenses.

Please don't go by what I say, there has to be a way to check it out, and no it was not Gambina, it was some non-boxing money guys who took Jimmy away from Jerry and Henry.

[Rick Farris]

no it was not Gambina, it was some non-boxing money guys who took Jimmy away from Jerry and Henry.
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Thanks, Frank.

[Rick Farris]

Frank, in the article I posted above, this gives some reference to the Heair/Moore & Blouin break up.
It reflects that Heair was with Moore & Blouin until after the Aruro Leon fight.
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Jimmy came back - probably too soon - and but kept winning and in the fall of 73 he stopped another hot prospect and contender in Arturo "the Fury" Pineda. "My two best fights were against Pineda and Carmona." The nose injury continued to be a problem (and affects Jimmy to this day). In May of 74 he took on Rudy Barro, a tough, decent fighter but the kind a world ranked fighter should be able to beat, and lost a ten round decision in a huge upset. Heair bounced back with three straight wins and accepted a fight with highly ranked Australian Hector Thompson in August of 74 - a win there and Heair would have been back in the picture. Jimmy lost though: "I think if Hector and I had thought three times I would have won two but on this night he was the better man."

Back home Jimmy lost an upset split decision to Arturo Leon, whom he previously had beaten twice, moved up to jr welter, relocated to El Paso, Texas. Heair also left Jerry Moore and his first wife. "My new manager was Ron Weathers and he had no clue about boxing. I thought I knew a lot about boxing but I didn´t know enough."

[kikibalt]

Frank, in the article I posted above, this gives some reference to the Moore & Blouin break up:

Jimmy came back - probably too soon - and but kept winning and in the fall of 73 he stopped another hot prospect and contender in Arturo "the Fury" Pineda. "My two best fights were against Pineda and Carmona." The nose injury continued to be a problem (and affects Jimmy to this day). In May of 74 he took on Rudy Barro, a tough, decent fighter but the kind a world ranked fighter should be able to beat, and lost a ten round decision in a huge upset. Heair bounced back with three straight wins and accepted a fight with highly ranked Australian Hector Thompson in August of 74 - a win there and Heair would have been back in the picture. Jimmy lost though: "I think if Hector and I had thought three times I would have won two but on this night he was the better man."

Back home Jimmy lost an upset split decision to Arturo Leon, whom he previously had beaten twice, moved up to jr welter, relocated to El Paso, Texas. Heair also left Jerry Moore and his first wife. "My new manager was Ron Weathers and he had no clue about boxing. I thought I knew a lot about boxing but I didn´t know enough."
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It reads that the split followed the Arturo Leon match, which was after the Barro fight.

There it is, I remember wrong....

[kikibalt]

El Cholo

http://www.facebook.com/pages/El-Cholo/147461938619630

[THEHAMMER321]

There are 2 fighters I always mix up,it is just the name, I know one is Philipino and one guy Mexican, but the two I am talking about are Rudy barro and Rudy Robles, the thing is I never seen either man fight, I just know they are from the same era and both same first name.

[kikibalt]

There are 2 fighters I always mix up,it is just the name, I know one is Philipino and one guy Mexican, but the two I am talking about are Rudy barro and Rudy Robles, the thing is I never seen either man fight, I just know they are from the same era and both same first name.

Rudy Robles at the start of his career was manage by his brother whom first name I don't recall, last name was Robles. Robles the manager got in trouble with the law and was on his way to the big house so he brought in his cousin Jimmy Montoya who was not a boxing guy to manage Rudy and the rest is history.....

[THEHAMMER321]

There are 2 fighters I always mix up,it is just the name, I know one is Philipino and one guy Mexican, but the two I am talking about are Rudy barro and Rudy Robles, the thing is I never seen either man fight, I just know they are from the same era and both same first name.

Rudy Robles at the start of his career was manage by his brother whom first name I don't recall, last name was Robles. Robles the manager got in trouble with the law and was on his way to the big house so he brought in his cousin Jimmy Montoya who was not a boxing guy to manage Rudy and the rest is history.....

As long as he had ''Big Jess'' driving the bus, Jimmy would be alright.

[kikibalt]

There are 2 fighters I always mix up,it is just the name, I know one is Philipino and one guy Mexican, but the two I am talking about are Rudy barro and Rudy Robles, the thing is I never seen either man fight, I just know they are from the same era and both same first name.

Rudy Robles at the start of his career was manage by his brother whom first name I don't recall, last name was Robles. Robles the manager got in trouble with the law and was on his way to the big house so he brought in his cousin Jimmy Montoya who was not a boxing guy to manage Rudy and the rest is history.....

As long as he had ''Big Jess'' driving the bus, Jimmy would be alright.

Jess was so happy to drive the meat wagon.....

[kikibalt]

Time to hit the hay, the vieja is waiting for me....

[THEHAMMER321]

El Cholo

http://www.facebook.com/pages/El-Cholo/147461938619630

This restaurant sounded familiar, so I looked online and it said that they have opened many with the name El Cholo all over the country, but that the original one is the best,we had one here on main street, but they closed about 20 years ago.

[Rick Farris]

El Cholo

http://www.facebook.com/pages/El-Cholo/147461938619630

This restaurant sounded familiar, so I looked online and it said that they have opened many with the name El Cholo all over the country, but that the original one is the best,we had one here on main street, but they closed about 20 years ago.

The best was not anywhere near there, and if it was it would still be standing.
The "original" El Cholo is on Western in L.A. as of 1928.
I love the place, I've history there.
It's a Gabcho kinda place.

[Rick Farris]

Time to hit the hay, the vieja is waiting for me....

Good night, Frank.
Ahhh, the life of a "Kept Man".

[kikibalt]

El Cholo

http://www.facebook.com/pages/El-Cholo/147461938619630

This restaurant sounded familiar, so I looked online and it said that they have opened many with the name El Cholo all over the country, but that the original one is the best,we had one here on main street, but they closed about 20 years ago.

It's a Gabcho kinda place.

It is, it is!....

[Randyman]

I just finished a bowl of menudo con patas. Jeri went and picked up a pot from Super Burrito. Nothing better on a rainy morning. Man, it was good. DD

For those that don't know, you can take a pot to any place that makes menudo and tell them to "fill'er up". The ultimate take out food.