Jack Johnson vrs Battling Norfolk/(1926)/location/ unknown?

[Brutu]

Jack Johnson lost to Battling Norfolk in a 10 round descion loss(according to boxrec and other sources).
However since Boxrec lists the site of this fight as unknown.
However I believe I just may have come across a clue as to where it happened.

[JCS]

Why not share?

[Brutu]

First of all, I just wanted to ask the boxrec forum moderater.
If the location is unkown,then what is the original source that this fight ever even happened?

[Brutu]

I believe if the fight happed it (if it even happened)probably was in Tijuana Mexico,due to the fact that Johnson had been reportly in training in early June to fight at a newly constructed arena built in Tijuana just for fights that seated 20,000 people.It was to debut July.4th.1926.
James N. CroftonThe promoter) reportly had signed Jack Johnson to fight on the bill under a planned
fight between George Carpentier vrs Sailor Eddie Huffman(the latter of course didnt happen in Tijuana but in NYC)
Another source from early June said that Johnson fight scheduled for Tijuana was to be cancelled because Johnson was still hurting from the foul caused by Bob Lawson May.30 in Juarez.
However if Johnson did go ahead and fought Battling Norfolk,that could possibly explain his loss.

[Brutu]

I was wondering if any primary documentation has surfaced as of yet that confirms that the Gavelston Giant actually fought Battling Norfolk?

[Brutu]

Since they(or perhaps"the Man") did not pardon Jack Johnson again this year,dont you think boxrec should at least do some research and try
and take a loss off of his ring record that perhaps shouldnt be there?
I want to see some actual proof that Battling Norfolk really did indeed win an official boxing bout
over Jack Johnson.
According to Jack Johnson's own autobiography IN THE RING AND OUT published in July 1927.
He lists bout with Bob Lawson in 1926 as his last(which he didnt record as a loss but instead FOULED).
Of course if it was a real win for Battling Norfolk then that should be documented and researched.

[Brutu]

BTW Boxrec has this bout listed as far as date as 1926-07-01.
Yet cyberboxingzone ring record has it listed as June 1926.
I asked them the same question two years ago,what their source was that this bout had ever even occured
but they did not respond to my inquiry either.

[Brutu]

Maybe Boxrec should consider removing Jack Johnson's supposed loss to Battling Norfolk until
some credible information surfaces that the bout actually happened at all.
After all it is marring the record of a Hall of Famer.

[delisa]

I have reviewed many Mexican newspaper and papers of the era and could not find any reference to the bout.

[Brutu]

Boxrec really should remove this from Johnson's ring record,as still to my knowledge its never been proven it had ever really happened.
Jack Johnson has maintained his 'last official:fight was when he was 48 years old.
He said he won it,so presumably he was speaking of his fight with Pat Lester.

[Ric]

First of all, I just wanted to ask the boxrec forum moderater.
If the location is unkown,then what is the original source that this fight ever even happened?

The bout was originally entered into the BoxRec database by Robin Nygaard, who was known to have entered quality work. He died years ago, however, so his original source is unknown. Since then, the Editors try to also insert their source in the "bout comment" or "Editor's notes" fields when entering bouts with an unknown date, location, or result.

[Brutu]

I think the bout is mentioned in Randy Robert's book PAPA JACK(1985),but I dont believe Randy Roberts lists a reference source for the fight in it either.
(I have never read that book,but perhaps somewhere here can double check)

[Brutu]

If the Jack Johnson aka Gavelston Giant-Battling Norfolk fight really did happen.
Perhaps one possible location for it may have been the gymnasium
that Jack Johnson opened on the south side of Chicago in March 1926.
The gym was located at 424 East 47th Street in Chicago.
Not too long after it opened the police came in and raided it stopping a planned 30 round exhibition fight just after the first round ended,March.30.1926 and arrested Johnson,his(unnamed) opponent ,the timekeeper and a couple of seconds.
(boxing was prohibited in Chicago at that time)
I am not sure how long Johnson's gym was in operation.
Johnson wanted it to be known as a Health Emporium instead of a gymnasium .
Although if the fight was there I still think boxing was prohibited in Chicago in 1927,so it could not actually be listed as an official fight,
assuming the fight was in Chicago,if it ever really happened at all that is.

[Brutu]

Its has now been 3 years since this question was posted here.
Has any evidence surfaced this year either(2010)that this fight had ever even happened?
Being a fan of Jack Johnson,may I please ask that you consider and remove this(supposed)loss ,entirely from Jack Johnson's professional ring record if there is no evidence as present?
thank you