"National Champion"

[coachingGOLD]

1. U.S. Championships
2. National Golden Gloves
3. National Pal (even though you can just show up doesnt make this an easy tournament. All the Big Boys show up to this one for the points so its no cake walk.)
4. Ringside is awesome for just the amount of fighters that show up.

Without question the yearly U.S Championship is King and to me that is the one and true National Champion. Olympic Trials being the the Grand Daddy every four years.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Yea, I guess what it is, if a guy wins, say, the Ohio Fair, the Blue and Gold and the Jr. Golden Gloves and says he is a "three time national champion" I suppose technically he is within his right to say that BUT when I hear that "Kenny Gould was a three time National Champion", well, I know his three USA/ABF titles just carry more realistic weight...like when a guy is a WBU, WBF and IBC champion and wants recognition as a "three time world champion"...

[coachingGOLD]

your right! Being a ringside champion is a great thing for the moment its just not and advancing or points status tournament.

Do you like the system from the 04 or 08 process to make Olympic Team. Truly its every Amatuer's dream and why they box.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

The National Golden Gloves is DEFINITELY one of the big ones, one of the most coveted...me personally? Id rather win the NGG than any other national besides the US Championships...and, the fact is (at least when was an amateur) you have to fight FIVE times to win the NGG whereas some guys have won the US Championships with 3 or 4 victories...

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

[quote="david3723"]Here are the JO Olympic champions through 2000:

* 1997: Samuel Vega Jr., Hartford, Conn.


I trained Sammy, he never went pro, despite beating the likes of Verquan Kimbrough and Jose Aguiniga (twice) and is currently working for a law firm here in Hartford...also puts on amateur shows several timjes a year at the gym I trained him out of when he was a boxer...

[Dennis]

To get the best boxers for the Olympic Trials, you need to have a qualifying process that rewards winning a title otherwise it is too dependent on the draw of a paricular tournament. For the USA National Championships to get 4 spots, you could have a bracket where all of the best boxers are in one-half and the two that get to the semi-finals in that half of the bracket are truly deserving while the two that make it from the other half may not be as good as boxers who lost before the semi-finals in the other half

04 Olympic Trials qualifying process was better than the 08 Olympic Trials qualifying process.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I WAS THERE FOR THIS ONE...
2002 Everlast U.S. Championships Results, April 2-6, 2002
Las Vegas, Nevada (Caesars Palace)
178 pounds: Curtis Stevens, Brooklyn, N.Y., dec. Tavoris Cloud, Tallahassee, Fla., 15-10

[Dennis]

I think the outcome would be reversed in a rematch today. Cloud defeats Stevens.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Yea, Curtis is a 160 pounder now anyway...jusyt saying, the fight happened...a lot of VERY VERY INTERESTING macthups from the amateur days go overlooked...

[SantaAnaBC]

I believe Ringside and PAL tournements are invitational, only because you don't have to advance to get there. Also, I believe that the real National Titles would be National SG, National USA Boxing, National Junior Olympics, and National GG,eventhough only the Junior Olympic and USA boxing results get you ranked in the USA, which is a bit unfair.

[derrick james]

i agree Ice you are right the USA Championships, National Golden Gloves, the US Olympic Sports festival , the Eastern and Western Trails as you remember John they took the first and secound place fighters out of the US Championship and you had to win the eastern and western to get in for the 3rd & 4th spot for the Olympic Fest.
. the Pal wasn't important until 1996 when they mad it a Olympic Trail qaulier.

[scallum]

Wow great info in this topic . Silver Gloves and Jr Olympics the two top tournaments for The Jr boys

[chancebw]

I saw someone posted a list of Junior Olympic Champions and was wondering where they got the list. The list for 165lbs is below. I fought Billy Wise in the finals in 1972 in South Carolina and lost. Muhammed Ali and Joe Frazier put medals on us and I am trying to locate people who may have photos.

165 pounds

* 1972: Billy Wise, South Carolina AAU
* 1973: Don Wyner, Southern Pacific
* 1974: Terence Garrick, Houston, Texas
* 1975: Randy Rempt, Region 7
* 1976: Genaro Cumba, Paterson, N.J.
* 1977: Frank Bryson, Region 7
* 1978: Larry Hoshaw, Hardy, Neb.
* 1979: Paul McPeek, Kentucky
* 1980: Sylvester White, Saucier, Miss.
* 1981: Dorian Melamed, N. Miami Bch., Fla.
* 1982: Dan Mack, Thibodaux, La.
* 1983: Austin Thompson, Ripley, Tenn.
* 1984: Razz Chapin, Petaluma, Calif.
* 1985: Damon Scott, Kankakee, Ill.
* 1986: J.D. Placek, San Luis, Colo.
* 1987: Troy Soto, Brooklyn, N.Y.
* 1988: Bryan Standridge, Oklahoma City
* 1989: Ruben Tapia, E. Moline, Ill.
* 1990: Melvin Weaselboy Jr., Billings, Mont.
* 1991: Santanion Crowder, Miami, Fla.
* 1992: Jeffrey Woodford, Denver, Colo.
* 1993: Eric Williams, Gulfport, Miss.
* 1994: Lonnie Redmond, Detroit, Mich.
* 1995: Robert Jacobs, Akron, Ohio
* 1996: Jason Estrada, Providence, R.I.
* 1997: LaFarrell Bunting, Memphis, Tenn.
* 1998: Alvaro Morales, Las Vegas, Nev.
* 1999: Alvaro Morales, Las Vegas, Nev.
* 2000: Donyil Livingston, Los Angeles, Calif