Katsidis v Khan, JMM rematch

[amwsnw]

Just read an interesting article in the newspaper. Brendan Smith is saying Kat could go up and challenge Khan for Khan's jnr welter title. Seems they are basing Kat's popularity in the UK as a big factor for the challenge.
Also a possible rematch of JMM (which I think is a better option).
Your thoughts ??

[Sweet P]

Both good fights for Katsidis.

Khan has a big edge in speed and reach, Whether he can handle Katsidis constant pressure will be the big factor. I think Katsidis would wear him down and stop him around the 8th round.

JMM would be interesting, How much his brothers death played a role im not sure.

In my honest opinion, Mick needs to work with another trainer, He needs to be taught more defence. He has had 100+ Amatuer fights and 30 Pro's under Smith and still has bad defence. Being fit and punching hard won't get you over the line against great fighters.
If he was working with one of the Mayweathers or Freddie Roach they might be able to be that extra 10% he needs in the big fights.

[amwsnw]

Agree 100% Ben.
Their is also a suggestion that JMM may get a shot at Pacman if he can get past Berto, at Welter !!! I hope Kat gets one of these big fights, he deserves it. It will be interesting if he gets a rematch. I have no doubt his brothers passing had of an effect on him than he let on prior to the first bout.
Khan showed against Maidana and others he is very hittable. If Kat could get through Khans reach it may be a very good fight for him.

[thunderfromdownunder]

i think kat should fight 1 or 2 fights against lower level comp, no one to bad maybe some older ex champs. We cant expect him to be in a war every fight or he will end up burning out quickly

[crusader]

I'm surprised Katsidis hasn't burned out already. He has been in a lot of tough, grueling fights. He always puts on a great show, which is why he is respected by all boxing fans. His blowout of favored 31-0 Kevin Mitchell was really something spectacular and showed his level--he only loses to the very best.

I see both Khan and JMM as fitting into the category of "the very best" and I don't think Katsidis would win either of those fights. I think Khan would stay on the outside and use his superior speed, boxing skills, and reach to rack up the points, stay out of danger, and possibly get to Katsidis late. I don't think Katsidis can improve much on his brave performance against JMM. I think the result would end up being the same.

Therefore, I believe the better option is simply the one that pays more. If both options offered the same money, I would probably go with Khan, as he has a well documented history of vulnerability against all levels of opponent (although he showed improved durability against Maidana). JMM goes down, but he always gets back up to win the remainder of the contest. I think Khan tends to get hurt worse when he goes down.

I would be surprised if Katsidis is able to compete at this level for much longer. He has given so much to boxing and he might as should get out with as much as he can.

[Hounddawg]

Katsidis beats Khan on his best night. Stoppage only of course.

I don't think Katsidis at this point is going to improve with an immediate rematch, death does funny things to people and i would be surprised if he was over it within a year. JMM is an all time great, Rocky dropped him hard and he stood tot to toe for 9 rounds, with might i ad the weight of his brother/best friend's death on his shoulders, i'd be proud of that.

I hope he cherry picks his way to an alphabet in no less than 2 fights, then moves up to LT welter and tests himself against the best.

[buster007]

agree!!

[adamheight]

wear khan down? you dont wear khan down... you can may be knock him out with one shot. but you cant wear down someone with khans style.he boxes and moves. fighters who get worn down are come forward kind of brawlers who dont mind taking a shot.

khan would use katsidis as a punching bag. horrible fight for katsidis

[Brute]

Kevin Mitchell fought and beat the best in Britain. He beat Breidis Prescott, something Khan could not do.

Katsidis wiped him out in three rounds.

[caveman]

ben, smith was not with kat until after the olympics ( i'm not defending smith ), kat learnt his trade with a fella called betros

[adamheight]

Kevin Mitchell fought and beat the best in Britain. He beat Breidis Prescott, something Khan could not do.

Katsidis wiped him out in three rounds.

terry mimms beat leon spinks, so terry should be able to beat muhammad ali too.

[Sweet P]

wear khan down? you dont wear khan down... you can may be knock him out with one shot. but you cant wear down someone with khans style.he boxes and moves. fighters who get worn down are come forward kind of brawlers who dont mind taking a shot.

khan would use katsidis as a punching bag. horrible fight for katsidis

Body shots and constant pressure will wear down any fighter. Khan would a huge task for Katsidis, But Khan was hurt in his last fight. And has been stopped by a far lesser fighter than Katsidis. So Mick is in with a chance.

[buster007]

if michael can drop marquez and he was wobbly not just off balance, then he has a great chance vs khan.

[adamheight]

seriously kats team couldnt pick a worse opponent then khan. it would be carnage

[Hounddawg]

Adam, whats with this new love of Khan? first of all you think Khan beats Pac(because Roach says Khan handles himself in training against the worlds best fighter, might i add that Pac is also trained by Roach Shock Horror with that quip) now Katsidis gets slayed by Khan, when did Khan all of sudden get catapulted to the worlds best? The fights I've been watching indicate that we are on very different levels of thinking as to who can fight and who can't. JMO, and i'm honestly interested in a response.

[everclear]

Just saw a schedule of US fights and note JMM is scheduled to fight Morales in April. Winner could be next to rematch with Pac for the third and fourth time for JMM and Morales respectively. This knocks out the Katsidis v JMM rematch.

Hear a lot of noise on the forums about Katsidis needing to switch trainers and focus on defence. He could probably do that but at what cost? Think Katsidis is always going to be a stand up and bang fighter. Can't see him sticking and moving, throwing counters etc. It's a style that's served him well over the years too, and I don't think he should give it up.

For instance, if he were to focus on defence he may well have lost to guys such as Mitchell and Chavez. Honestly thought that Mithcell was picking him apart in the early rounds until Katsidis decided to walk through a couple of jabs to land some big shots off.

I think Khan fights like Mitchell x 10. If Katsidis were to fight Khan his best shot at winning would be to have the same mindset as the Mitchell fight (walk through, use his head to provide a moving target and unload). Khan appears suspect to big punchers. He's lost to Prescott and has had difficulties with with Maidana most recently in the 8th or 9th (about 70 unanswered punches starting with a big power shot to stumle him). Think Katsidis could earn more bucks fighting the way he does too; remember, Gatti earned $1m for the Ward III fight because the US crowds loved him.

[oliverfennell]

Katsidis will always be welcome in Britain. His fights are exciting and he's a class act in how he conducts himself.

As for whether he can beat Khan... I feel he's better than Maidana, but Khan can only improve after the Maidana experience. Plus Mike will be going up in weight. Therefore I give the edge to Khan, but it's by no means the formality Adam thinks it is.

[Sweet P]

Just saw a schedule of US fights and note JMM is scheduled to fight Morales in April. Winner could be next to rematch with Pac for the third and fourth time for JMM and Morales respectively. This knocks out the Katsidis v JMM rematch.

Hear a lot of noise on the forums about Katsidis needing to switch trainers and focus on defence. He could probably do that but at what cost? Think Katsidis is always going to be a stand up and bang fighter. Can't see him sticking and moving, throwing counters etc. It's a style that's served him well over the years too, and I don't think he should give it up.

For instance, if he were to focus on defence he may well have lost to guys such as Mitchell and Chavez. Honestly thought that Mithcell was picking him apart in the early rounds until Katsidis decided to walk through a couple of jabs to land some big shots off.

I think Khan fights like Mitchell x 10. If Katsidis were to fight Khan his best shot at winning would be to have the same mindset as the Mitchell fight (walk through, use his head to provide a moving target and unload). Khan appears suspect to big punchers. He's lost to Prescott and has had difficulties with with Maidana most recently in the 8th or 9th (about 70 unanswered punches starting with a big power shot to stumle him). Think Katsidis could earn more bucks fighting the way he does too; remember, Gatti earned $1m for the Ward III fight because the US crowds loved him.

I was trying to say he needs work on his defence, He dosnt need to change his style just tighten up his defence. He is always going to be a come forward guy.

I also agree with your last statement, Khan has struggled against big punchers, And Katsidis is a bigger puncher than both Prescott and Miadana IMO.

[Yes We Can]

I'd love to see this in the UK as i think it would be a lot of fun. Kats could definately knock Khan off his game plan but i dont think it would be enough to win.


For the people pointing to the fact Maidana had Khan seeing stars in the 10th, Kats doesn't hit as hard as MM, and i also dont think there is another fighter at 140 that could have gotten up after them 2 body shots in the 1st.

[Brute]

Kevin Mitchell fought and beat the best in Britain. He beat Breidis Prescott, something Khan could not do.

Katsidis wiped him out in three rounds.

terry mimms beat leon spinks, so terry should be able to beat muhammad ali too.

Ali was old and out of condition for the first Spinks fight. Mims beat Leon nine years after that. Not a good comparison.

[buster007]

[quote="ben k"][quote="everclear"]Just saw a schedule of US fights and note JMM is scheduled to fight Morales in April. Winner could be next to rematch with Pac for the third and fourth time for JMM and Morales respectively. This knocks out the Katsidis v JMM rematch.

Hear a lot of noise on the forums about Katsidis needing to switch trainers and focus on defence. He could probably do that but at what cost? Think Katsidis is always going to be a stand up and bang fighter. Can't see him sticking and moving, throwing counters etc. It's a style that's served him well over the years too, and I don't think he should give it up.

For instance, if he were to focus on defence he may well have lost to guys such as Mitchell and Chavez. Honestly thought that Mithcell was picking him apart in the early rounds until Katsidis decided to walk through a couple of jabs to land some big shots off.

I think Khan fights like Mitchell x 10. If Katsidis were to fight Khan his best shot at winning would be to have the same mindset as the Mitchell fight (walk through, use his head to provide a moving target and unload). Khan appears suspect to big punchers. He's lost to Prescott and has had difficulties with with Maidana most recently in the 8th or 9th (about 70 unanswered punches starting with a big power shot to stumle him). Think Katsidis could earn more bucks fighting the way he does too; remember, Gatti earned $1m for the Ward III fight because the US crowds loved him.[/quote]

I was trying to say he needs work on his defence, He dosnt need to change his style just tighten up his defence. He is always going to be a come forward guy.

I also agree with your last statement, Khan has struggled against big punchers, And Katsidis is a bigger puncher than both Prescott and Miadana IMO.[/quote]

spot on ben!

[buster007]

why doesn't the quote thing work?

[dberry]

why doesn't the quote thing work?

It does for me.

[buster007]

u click on the quote link, and then type your response under that.

thats what i do for other forums and it works, but not on here.

someone let a dummy like me know how to do it please?

['Frilla]

u click on the quote link, and then type your response under that.thats what i do for other forums and it works, but not on here.

someone let a dummy like me know how to do it please?

That is all.