So realistically what are his chances against either Klit. I think DH is well capable of points victories against both, however I think it's inevitable he will be tagged (hard) in the process.
I know he took the barbaric power of Audley well but does anyone believe once either Klit unloads Haye stands a chance?
I personally believe that Haye could beat them both, whether he does or not is another issue!
Thoughts?
Also should he retire at 31? Seems silly to me when he is capable of dominating the HW scene for years to come
He struggled to outpoint valuev so he ain't gonna outpoint the klits he's got the old punchers chance and that's it IMO of course
As for retirement it's wise for any boxer to get out early with there money and health safe but it's defo dissapointing for the fans cuz he ain't giving himself a shot at leaving a legacy
I think this fight is probably not as exciting as some people think.
Both fighters are going to be very cagey not wanting to commit both wary of the other power. Haye is obviously at a size and reach disadvantage and isnt a high output fighter.
Haye needs to conserve energy and look to dart in and out and throw and when he throws throw bombs. I expect a few of these exchanges a round with the rest being characterised by cautious range finders from Wlad.
Either Haye is able to get in and out and land something to rattle Klit and hurt him and try and finish him off or he will be unable to overcome the height and reach advantage and slowly be worn down and possibly stopped in the later rounds as he gets more tired and Wlads jab starts to take toll.
Short-Left-Hook wrote:So realistically what are his chances against either Klit. I think DH is well capable of points victories against both, however I think it's inevitable he will be tagged (hard) in the process.
I know he took the barbaric power of Audley well but does anyone believe once either Klit unloads Haye stands a chance?
I personally believe that Haye could beat them both, whether he does or not is another issue!
Thoughts?
Also should he retire at 31? Seems silly to me when he is capable of dominating the HW scene for years to come
Who knows how good Haye really is at heavyweight? If he lands on Wlad or Vitali I think they'll both feel it.
Haye's capable of hurting them imo, it's just a matter of how well he copes with their offence. I don't see it going in any way similarly to the Gurov fight as far as Wlad goes. A comparison I've seen being made.
It'll all come down to whether Haye can land and avoid punishment. Personally, I don't think Haye will be able to avoid Wlad's jab and I think whatever he throws when he gets inside will come up short.
I don't have much faith to be honest. I think when the fight comes he'll have succeeded financially, but in terms of fistic success, he'll be found wanting.
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I think theres some question marks over Haye's stamina which may come to light.
I fully expect a fight with Wlad to go to the later rounds (with both starting cagily) but because of Hayes reach disadvantage he will have to be constantly in and out and working much harder that Wlad (who will inevitably plod behind the jab) which will require great deals of stamina.
I remember being concerned at some remarkably heavy breathing by Haye in the corner at the Ruiz fight which I didn't expect as he was basically cruising. I can see him coming to a grinding halt in the later rounds if it goes there against a klit.
I think Haye can hurt Wlad, but he needs to land big clean bombs to get the job done, and I think he will only find success with his single shots. If he sees an opening he will swarm Wlad, but the danger is if he can't land cleanly he'll punch himself out.
It's kind of tough to call because if Haye gets a good start and lands a few, Wlad could go into his shell and a confident Haye has a realistic chance of winning. But if Wlad establishes his jab it could be all over early.
Vitali is harder to call because he seems to be on the slide a bit, but how much will it damage him against Haye? Still leaing towards Vitali being the harder fight just because he is tougher and more awkward.
On Haye's stamina, I don't see it being a huge issue unless a lot of his early flurries miss. I think he'll pace himself well, he has picked his shots exceptionally well in his recent fights and if he loses it probably won't be because he runs out of steam, he'll probably just get caught.
Viitali's punch output is still very high, and Haye doesn't seem to be opening up against the decent heavyweights he has faced. I still think he would have a harder time dealing with Vitali's size, durablity, and high workrate for twelve rounds. I can see him being outworked and simply too cautious, fighting only in spots.
i think haye can beat vlad by ko, it might be a boring start as haye eyes his pray, but im sorry big brother vitali will ko haye in fight 2. vitalis chin is granite and he will walk straight through haye.
He can't deal with a jab, nor is he much good at dealing with height - Both of which they have lots of.
The Audley fight, all he did was clumsily lunge in and swing some punches and Audley went down. If he thinks he can do that against either Klitbot he's in for a rude awakening.
He doesn't jab, he goes back in straight lines when being attacked, he doesn't/can't slip jabs.
His power at heavyweight is somewhat overstated, I think. He is quick, but what good is it when you're clumsily going forward with no jab?
I would like it if he beat both, convincingly, but I think it unlikely.
Both K brothers are not unbeatable, but I don't think Haye has the tools to beat either.
Andypittcov wrote:He struggled to outpoint valuev so he ain't gonna outpoint the klits he's got the old punchers chance and that's it IMO of course
As for retirement it's wise for any boxer to get out early with there money and health safe but it's defo dissapointing for the fans cuz he ain't giving himself a shot at leaving a legacy
He has a chance, but i would need very good odds to put money on him. The brothers grim move around the ring far to well and he wouldnt be able to not engage with them. I think his main chance with Wlad is to try and work the body early and really slow him down and enable him to get his bombs off easier later in the fight, but i dont see Haye being confident enough to sit in close to get them body shots in. With Vitali he has to be like lightning for 12 rounds, as there is no way in hell he is stopping him even past prime
funtime wrote:He has a chance, but i would need very good odds to put money on him. The brothers grim move around the ring far to well and he wouldnt be able to not engage with them. I think his main chance with Wlad is to try and work the body early and really slow him down and enable him to get his bombs off easier later in the fight, but i dont see Haye being confident enough to sit in close to get them body shots in. With Vitali he has to be like lightning for 12 rounds, as there is no way in hell he is stopping him even past prime
How are you so sure he can't stop him? He hasn't has his chin tested in nearly 8 years.
Hayes punching upwards all fight, which is going to take some power out of it, and come on, Vitali should have died after some of the shots Lennox landed on him, I dont believe Haye delivers a shot that powerful. I do realise how long ago this was also, but i have seen no signs that his chin has packed its bags recently.
funtime wrote:Hayes punching upwards all fight, which is going to take some power out of it, and come on, Vitali should have died after some of the shots Lennox landed on him, I dont believe Haye delivers a shot that powerful. I do realise how long ago this was also, but i have seen no signs that his chin has packed its bags recently.
I sincerely hope im wrong, but i dont think so
I've always thought that punching upwards is better for power (being able to put your weight into the punch, by pushing against the ground), hence why uppercuts are so vicious. Why do you think differently?
sg1985 wrote:
How are you so sure he can't stop him? He hasn't has his chin tested in nearly 8 years.
Hayes punching upwards all fight, which is going to take some power out of it, and come on, Vitali should have died after some of the shots Lennox landed on him, I dont believe Haye delivers a shot that powerful. I do realise how long ago this was also, but i have seen no signs that his chin has packed its bags recently.
I sincerely hope im wrong, but i dont think so
Because he hasn't been hit recently, when was the last time you saw him take a shot and think 'eff me what a chin'. Not since Lewis. I'm not saying Haye will knock him out, but we don't really know how well he'll take his shots, also Lewis was the worst he'd ever been in that fight.
how do we know Hayes going to be able to hit him though? nobody else has managed to so what makes you think Haye will?
sg1985 wrote:
Because he hasn't been hit recently, when was the last time you saw him take a shot and think 'eff me what a chin'. Not since Lewis. I'm not saying Haye will knock him out, but we don't really know how well he'll take his shots, also Lewis was the worst he'd ever been in that fight.
how do we know Hayes going to be able to hit him though? nobody else has managed to so what makes you think Haye will?
I think he will because he's faster, fitter and just plain better than the guys he's been fighting. I don't know for definite he will land something, but he's quicker than Vitlai so that would make be believe he'll land a couple of decent shots at some point.
i do agree with you, my only worry is that he's going to get caught every single time going in with reckless hooks, and although Vitali doesnt carry the power he used to, them shots are going to add up. It's not as though he's going to win in a jab war, and vitali uses the ring very well for a big old guy.
orbtastic wrote:He can't deal with a jab, nor is he much good at dealing with height - Both of which they have lots of.
The Audley fight, all he did was clumsily lunge in and swing some punches and Audley went down. If he thinks he can do that against either Klitbot he's in for a rude awakening.
He doesn't jab, he goes back in straight lines when being attacked, he doesn't/can't slip jabs.
His power at heavyweight is somewhat overstated, I think. He is quick, but what good is it when you're clumsily going forward with no jab?
I would like it if he beat both, convincingly, but I think it unlikely.
Both K brothers are not unbeatable, but I don't think Haye has the tools to beat either.
Your first line shows you haven't a clue: "nor is he much good at dealing with height". Have you ever seen the Gurov fight lol. Gurov had plenty of height advantage.
If you don't know the fighters history then please don't post.
orbtastic wrote:He can't deal with a jab, nor is he much good at dealing with height - Both of which they have lots of.
The Audley fight, all he did was clumsily lunge in and swing some punches and Audley went down. If he thinks he can do that against either Klitbot he's in for a rude awakening.
He doesn't jab, he goes back in straight lines when being attacked, he doesn't/can't slip jabs.
His power at heavyweight is somewhat overstated, I think. He is quick, but what good is it when you're clumsily going forward with no jab?
I would like it if he beat both, convincingly, but I think it unlikely.
Both K brothers are not unbeatable, but I don't think Haye has the tools to beat either.
Again absolute bollucks. Bruno went in lines, David Haye does not - Haye moves side to side. Haye will not be there to take a jab.
but does anyone believe once either Klit unloads Haye stands a chance?
