1. Does USA Boxing's insurance policy provide coverage for an event in which WSB pros compete?
2. Will it violate State law? I guess it depends on where it takes place.
3. Will it open USA Boxing up to lawsuits by other pro boxers to be able to compete in the Olympic qualifying process? I believe so.
Concerns with amateur boxers competing against WSB pros
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As much as I enjoyed watching WSB, I just don't see how it would help "the amateur boxer" other that he can lose fights and it not count again his "pro" record and boxing without the headgear. Television exposure is good, but scoring, more rounds/longer fights - how is that going to help a boxer at the Olympics? Boxers getting a berth by winning the WSB is complete joke, definitely going to cause problems if a USA boxer wins the individual title.
Going off the subject, why can't USA boxing form its own league and leave the headgear on and let our fighters get more exposure against better competition internally or compete in more dual meets against neighboring countries?
Just tired, that other than youtube or going to event in person, there is no outlet to watch the fighters of tomorrow.
Going off the subject, why can't USA boxing form its own league and leave the headgear on and let our fighters get more exposure against better competition internally or compete in more dual meets against neighboring countries?
Just tired, that other than youtube or going to event in person, there is no outlet to watch the fighters of tomorrow.
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DCAmateurBoxing
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Because USAB doesn't have the backing that an AIBA/IMG joint venture has to actually get it off the ground. USAB can't even secure funds for the US Nationals in a years time, but think about how long it has been from the announcement of the WSB to actually making it happen and getting it on TV in millions of homes. Given the size of the endeavor, it wasn't long at all. There has been more TV coverage of the WSB fights in a few months than there was for ALL of the amateur boxing on TV over the past few years. IMG is big enough to pretty much pull off anything they want in the world of sports and entertainment.NYboxing wrote: Going off the subject, why can't USA boxing form its own league and leave the headgear on and let our fighters get more exposure against better competition internally or compete in more dual meets against neighboring countries?
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From the wiki page:
TWI, IMG's television division, is the largest independent distributor and producer of televised sports, managing a library of more than 150,000 hours. TWI annually produces and distributes 6,500 hours of original programming to more than 200 countries covering 200+ sports, and also has involvement in digital sports and entertainment. IMG is also commercially involved in an average of 11 major sports and cultural events around the world every day
Re: Concerns with amateur boxers competing against WSB pros
...... and IMG/AIBA must losing a lot of money on this venture. Anybody attend these events live? On the telecast, looked fairly empty.
Anybody remember this from the summer of 2008:
Golden Boy Promotions has announced a new alliance with USA Boxing, under which they will collaborate on numerous marketing, media, broadcast and consulting efforts. "Beyond the obvious sports marketing opportunities that this alliance offers both partners, we're delighted about the important connection it establishes for Golden Boy Promotions with amateur boxing," said Golden Boy Promotions CEO, Richard Schaefer. "USA Boxing events were important benchmarks in the early development of Oscar's career and his Olympic Gold Medal in 1992 was one of the greatest moments in Olympic history. We are greatly looking forward to working with USA Boxing during these exciting years of its development." The alliance establishes a platform for Oscar De La Hoya to spend added time in Colorado Springs at the Olympic Training Center with the U.S. National & Olympic Teams athletes.
what ever happened? oh yeah - NOTHING except they signed a bunch of potential prospects from the class of '12
Anybody remember this from the summer of 2008:
Golden Boy Promotions has announced a new alliance with USA Boxing, under which they will collaborate on numerous marketing, media, broadcast and consulting efforts. "Beyond the obvious sports marketing opportunities that this alliance offers both partners, we're delighted about the important connection it establishes for Golden Boy Promotions with amateur boxing," said Golden Boy Promotions CEO, Richard Schaefer. "USA Boxing events were important benchmarks in the early development of Oscar's career and his Olympic Gold Medal in 1992 was one of the greatest moments in Olympic history. We are greatly looking forward to working with USA Boxing during these exciting years of its development." The alliance establishes a platform for Oscar De La Hoya to spend added time in Colorado Springs at the Olympic Training Center with the U.S. National & Olympic Teams athletes.
what ever happened? oh yeah - NOTHING except they signed a bunch of potential prospects from the class of '12
Re: Concerns with amateur boxers competing against WSB pros
It's not just Golden Boy, but all the promoters who seem to lack any concern over the state of amateur boxing. If each major U.S. promoter would sponsor a regional area boxing team and have that team compete against the other promoters' teams and against other countries, you might see the fans attitudes towards amateur boxing change. It wouldn't happen overnight, but things would change. They would draw interest back into the sport and with that fans and eventually TV.
If the NCAA ever wanted to get back into amateur boxing, they could take it over quite easily.
If the NCAA ever wanted to get back into amateur boxing, they could take it over quite easily.
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Re: Concerns with amateur boxers competing against WSB pros
I do remember that Goldenboy press release...
Its really not that hard to get amatuer boxing on T.V. My trainer has been working with NESN (a regional network in the Northeast) for a couple of years now and they air a recurring television show about our gym. They have also aired a couple of our boxing shows. NESN charges a nominal fee and my trainer has a group of loyal sponsors that usually buy enough ad space to turn a small profit. He never does worse than breaking even. He does it for the exposure though, not for the short term money. We have gotten a lot of new members as a result of the show... Imagine how many new members USAB could have if they did a similar thing.
Its really not that hard to get amatuer boxing on T.V. My trainer has been working with NESN (a regional network in the Northeast) for a couple of years now and they air a recurring television show about our gym. They have also aired a couple of our boxing shows. NESN charges a nominal fee and my trainer has a group of loyal sponsors that usually buy enough ad space to turn a small profit. He never does worse than breaking even. He does it for the exposure though, not for the short term money. We have gotten a lot of new members as a result of the show... Imagine how many new members USAB could have if they did a similar thing.
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Buying air time is always possible but then you have to be able to sell TV ads & other advertisements like banners, ring covers, etc. It can be done as you pointed out. Boxing shows & tournaments can have great crowds & be profitable, but that takes work too.
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Re: Concerns with amateur boxers competing against WSB pros
I don't think any pro boxing promoters want to help amateur boxing. The more problems in the amateurs, the easier the pickings for the top boxers to get wooed into the pros.Dennis wrote:It's not just Golden Boy, but all the promoters who seem to lack any concern over the state of amateur boxing. If each major U.S. promoter would sponsor a regional area boxing team and have that team compete against the other promoters' teams and against other countries, you might see the fans attitudes towards amateur boxing change. It wouldn't happen overnight, but things would change. They would draw interest back into the sport and with that fans and eventually TV.
If the NCAA ever wanted to get back into amateur boxing, they could take it over quite easily.
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Re: Concerns with amateur boxers competing against WSB pros
[quote="NYboxing"]...... and IMG/AIBA must losing a lot of money on this venture. Anybody attend these events live? On the telecast, looked fairly empty. quote] Doesn't matter. It's about TV deals and media. Fight broadcasts are available to millions of homes. Getting in first into this new area is prbably most important to IMG. AIBA probably has NOT put a lot of capital up for this. They are involved because they govern amateur boxing, not because they have resources or expertise in ventures like this. I've enjoyed what I've seen. I think it will stick around, but it will be interesting to see the level of talent in non-Olympic years.
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AIBA seems to think they can dictate what happens in the United States. I understand why since USAB capitulates to their every demand.
The courts in this country won't be so giving, especially one of the U.S. District Courts where the judge will tell AIBA how things work in this country, not the other way around.
Another entity that will be also be less forgiving is the insurance company providing the insurance policy who will point to the fact that the WSB pros are just that, PROS. Then they will deny coverage and point to policy language that prohibits competition against professional boxers.
The courts in this country won't be so giving, especially one of the U.S. District Courts where the judge will tell AIBA how things work in this country, not the other way around.
Another entity that will be also be less forgiving is the insurance company providing the insurance policy who will point to the fact that the WSB pros are just that, PROS. Then they will deny coverage and point to policy language that prohibits competition against professional boxers.