Great fights that never happened

Boxingnut · Post by **Boxingnut** » 31 May 2005, 13:07

McGuigan v Nelson

Even though I think Barry would have lost it would have been exciting while it lasted.

Bowe v Lewis

The two best heavyweights of their time clashing. What a fight it would have been. A crime that it never happened.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 31 May 2005, 13:20

Tyson -v- Holyfield in 1990!

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 31 May 2005, 13:23

I wanted to see Nigel Benn fight Roy Jones Jr after the McClellan fight, I think Jones would have won, but as Benn said, he wanted to see how good Jones was and have a war with him, win lose or draw as a last fight. Its a shame it never happened at Super Middleweight, would have been a massive pay day for Benn as well.

Thats what I loved about Benn, you knew he wanted it against the very best.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 31 May 2005, 15:12

Yeah if anyone was going to take Jones to the trenches it would have been Benn, Lewis-Bowe would have been nice as well. I can't understand why Bowe so obviously ducked Lewis (throwing the belt in the bin etc) it's not like the Olympic final was that one sided i mean didn't Bowe have Lewis on a count? And the end was a weird stoppage as well if i remember correctly.

Boxer-Slugger · Post by **Boxer-Slugger** » 31 May 2005, 15:18

Tyson-Douglas 2
Tszyu-De La Hoya
Lewis-Bowe
Tyson-Foreman
Eric Lucas-Stephane Ouellet 8)

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 31 May 2005, 15:19

domestically - richard williams - takaloo - wayne alexander - gary lockett and oh shit wots his name..spice boy, fights with brendan ingle? saw his last fight as well........

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 31 May 2005, 15:22

Nigel Rafferty....oh sorry you mean Ryan Rhodes.

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 31 May 2005, 15:23

RYAN RHODES!

And add steve roberts to that list as well. Man if there weren't so many crappy titles about just imagine the fights these lot would have had for the british title.....

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 31 May 2005, 15:26

Billy Schwer v Michael Ayers, what a fight that would have been.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 31 May 2005, 15:29

Foreman v Holmes (1970's)
Tyson v Tua
Hide v Akinwande
Bruno v Mason
Trinidad v Quartey
Hamed v Gainer
Toney v Jones Jr, rematch at 175ilbs or over.
Hearns v McCallum at Light-Middleweight.
Pryor vs Leonard at Welterweight.
Shavers vs Frazier.
Young vs Quarry
Young vs Holmes
Sanchez vs Pedroza
Dempsey vs Wills
Tzsyu vs Mosely
LaMotta vs Graziano.
Marciano vs Valdez
Lewis vs Bowe
Bowe vs Tyson

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 31 May 2005, 15:41

Cannot say i am too fussed on Hamed-Gainer or Gainer V anyone to be honest but the rest of your list is pretty good

Well done A+++

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 31 May 2005, 15:47

steve689 wrote:.....it's not like the Olympic final was that one sided i mean didn't Bowe have Lewis on a count? And the end was a weird stoppage as well if i remember correctly.

I don't remember Lewis taking any counts. the first round was about even then Lewis stepped it up and pressured Bowe for the win. The stoppage was fairly normal by amateur standards, it would have been very premature in a professional ring but amateur refs don't allow much punishment before they stop a fight.

deadpan · Post by **deadpan** » 31 May 2005, 16:09

Hamed-Morales

McGuigan-Fenech

Collins-Calzaghe

Benn-Jackson

Benn-Toney

Morrissey-Marr

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 31 May 2005, 16:15

deadpan wrote:Collins-Calzaghe

Ooh f*ck me missus I'd forgotten that one. Collins peed me right off actually, first he gets Chris Eubank at the end of his career and posts 2 wins, then he goes and does the same with Nigel Benn, that's 4 wins over British legends that would have whipped his ass in their prime. Then when the times comes for his aging ass to meet the new bad boy at super-middleweight he retires! Then he comes back and tells us how he wants Roy Jones, goes to a RJJ fight and calls him out, but nobody knows how he is! So he says he wants Calzaghe as a warm-up for Jones, but gets KO'ed by Howard Eastman in sparring and retires again!

deadpan · Post by **deadpan** » 31 May 2005, 17:00

I'm glad someone took the Collins-Calzaghe bait.

Couldn't agree more, Overhand.

deadpan · Post by **deadpan** » 31 May 2005, 17:00

Shit you're chopping, not overhand.

Sorry.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 31 May 2005, 17:02

Chopping Right wrote:
deadpan wrote:Collins-Calzaghe
Ooh f*ck me missus I'd forgotten that one. Collins peed me right off actually, first he gets Chris Eubank at the end of his career and posts 2 wins, then he goes and does the same with Nigel Benn, that's 4 wins over British legends that would have whipped his ass in their prime. Then when the times comes for his aging ass to meet the new bad boy at super-middleweight he retires! Then he comes back and tells us how he wants Roy Jones, goes to a RJJ fight and calls him out, but nobody knows how he is! So he says he wants Calzaghe as a warm-up for Jones, but gets KO'ed by Howard Eastman in sparring and retires again!

Rubbish...the lot of it.

In 1996/1997 Collins was calling out Jones. Collins hadnt retired at all. In fact Collins went ringside and challenged Jones in a America whilst reigning WBO Super-middlewight champion. You reckon nobody knew Collins? Sounds quite familiar and convenient doesnt it? What with Jones not really choosing to recognise Darius Michalczewski as a viable opponent either.

If you reckon Benn and Eubank in their prime would have "whipped his ass", consider this... Watson batters Benn, Watson robbed in first fight with Eubank and then batters Eubank in their second before walking onto an uppercup, having completely dominated Eubank. Prior to the Eubank fights, Watson got absolutely battered into submission by Mike McCallum. Now go and watch Steve Collins against Mike McCallum, it was around the same period of time and Collins puts up far better display than Watson.

Remember when Benn and Eubank were in their peak defending against the likes of Ray Close, Dan Sherry, Nicky Piper; Stevie Collins was taking on credible fighters like Reggie Johnson and Mike McCallum.

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 31 May 2005, 17:34

liamlion wrote:
Chopping Right wrote:
deadpan wrote:Collins-Calzaghe
Ooh f*ck me missus I'd forgotten that one. Collins peed me right off actually, first he gets Chris Eubank at the end of his career and posts 2 wins, then he goes and does the same with Nigel Benn, that's 4 wins over British legends that would have whipped his ass in their prime. Then when the times comes for his aging ass to meet the new bad boy at super-middleweight he retires! Then he comes back and tells us how he wants Roy Jones, goes to a RJJ fight and calls him out, but nobody knows how he is! So he says he wants Calzaghe as a warm-up for Jones, but gets KO'ed by Howard Eastman in sparring and retires again!
Rubbish...the lot of it.

In 1996/1997 Collins was calling out Jones. Collins hadnt retired at all. In fact Collins went ringside and challenged Jones in a America whilst reigning WBO Super-middlewight champion. You reckon nobody knew Collins? Sounds quite familiar and convenient doesnt it? What with Jones not really choosing to recognise Darius Michalczewski as a viable opponent either.

If you reckon Benn and Eubank in their prime would have "whipped his ass", consider this... Watson batters Benn, Watson robbed in first fight with Eubank and then batters Eubank in their second before walking onto an uppercup, having completely dominated Eubank. Prior to the Eubank fights, Watson got absolutely battered into submission by Mike McCallum. Now go and watch Steve Collins against Mike McCallum, it was around the same period of time and Collins puts up far better display than Watson.

Remember when Benn and Eubank were in their peak defending against the likes of Ray Close, Dan Sherry, Nicky Piper; Stevie Collins was taking on credible fighters like Reggie Johnson and Mike McCallum.

If Im correct, Collins was ringside when Jones lost his title to Montell Griffin due to hitting him while down. Collins indeed fought a great fight against McCallum, I have McCallum against Collins, Watson and Graham. I would have liked to have seen Collins get his shot against Roy, but I could see nothing more than a Jones win, though I would have been interested to see Collins put pressure on Jones.

I have often found in Boxing sometimes its hard to compare fighters with common opponents, as styles make fights.

The Gerald McClellan of 95, I think would have beaten both Collins and Eubank and his fight with Benn was a fight to get to Roy Jones with the WBC title at Super Middleweight. Even though Eubank beat Benn the 1st time and Collins did go on to beat Benn in later years, I think out of the 3, Nigel Benn had the style to get to Roy the most, but Jones had the skills to beat them all.

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 31 May 2005, 17:44

liamlion wrote:Rubbish...the lot of it.

Blimey, sorry I rattled your cage!

liamlion wrote: In 1996/1997 Collins was calling out Jones. Collins hadnt retired at all. In fact Collins went ringside and challenged Jones in a America whilst reigning WBO Super-middlewight champion. You reckon nobody knew Collins? Sounds quite familiar and convenient doesnt it? What with Jones not really choosing to recognise Darius Michalczewski as a viable opponent either.

Nothing would convince me Roy Jones was ever concerned about facing Dariusz, let alone Steve Collins. Public demand in the US for Jones v Collins was zero, contrary to what Steve was always telling us.

liamlion wrote:If you reckon Benn and Eubank in their prime would have "whipped his ass", consider this...

Yes I do think Eubank would have caned Collins on points, much like McCallum did, and Benn would have beaten him in entertaining wars. Just my humble opinion of course.

liamlion wrote:Remember when Benn and Eubank were in their peak defending against the likes of Ray Close, Dan Sherry, Nicky Piper; Stevie Collins was taking on credible fighters like Reggie Johnson and Mike McCallum.

Yes he was, and losing to them as well. I'll give Steve Collins his dues, he was a tough fighter who went to the States and got some respect there, but he did get Eubank and Benn at the right times, Roy Jones was not even vaguely concerned about him, and he did dodge Joe Calzaghe.

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 31 May 2005, 17:59

Chopping Right wrote:
liamlion wrote:Rubbish...the lot of it.

Chopping Right wrote: Blimey, sorry I rattled your cage!

Very good

I'm getting a good laugh myself

Graham Brett · Post by **Graham Brett** » 01 Jun 2005, 04:33

Mugabi - Jackson - 1986

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 01 Jun 2005, 05:48

Chopping Right wrote: Nothing would convince me Roy Jones was ever concerned about facing Dariusz, let alone Steve Collins. Public demand in the US for Jones v Collins was zero, contrary to what Steve was always telling us.

I not so sure. I wouldnt have said there was much US demand for Jones to fight the likes of Ned Kelly, Derrick Harmon, Clinton Woods, Richard Hall etc. Public demand, for the majority of Jones' career, has not really been an issue for he has more often than not headlined shows to modest crowds in Florida rather than to sell outs in Vegas or at the Garden.

Roy Jones has always been his own man, he's never tolerated being told who to fight. He's made his own choices and more often than not, they have been low-risk mandatories. Even HBO acknowledge his tendancy to pick low-risk opponents, Jones has a stipulation in his HBO contract (inserted by HBO) that should he decide to fight a fighter he has already beaten, he will receive a lower purse than for their first fight.

Personally I think Jones would have took Steve Collins apart as i think he would of with Michaelcheski. But i reckon that Jones calculated that the potential risks werent worth it.

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 01 Jun 2005, 06:37

liamlion wrote:
Chopping Right wrote: Nothing would convince me Roy Jones was ever concerned about facing Dariusz, let alone Steve Collins. Public demand in the US for Jones v Collins was zero, contrary to what Steve was always telling us.
I not so sure. I wouldnt have said there was much US demand for Jones to fight the likes of Ned Kelly, Derrick Harmon, Clinton Woods, Richard Hall etc. Public demand, for the majority of Jones' career, has not really been an issue for he has more often than not headlined shows to modest crowds in Florida rather than to sell outs in Vegas or at the Garden.

Roy Jones has always been his own man, he's never tolerated being told who to fight. He's made his own choices and more often than not, they have been low-risk mandatories. Even HBO acknowledge his tendancy to pick low-risk opponents, Jones has a stipulation in his HBO contract (inserted by HBO) that should he decide to fight a fighter he has already beaten, he will receive a lower purse than for their first fight.

Personally I think Jones would have took Steve Collins apart as i think he would of with Michaelcheski. But i reckon that Jones calculated that the potential risks werent worth it.

A fair point, maybe something would convince me after all. Benn v Jones was the fight we needed to see, Jones would have been a strong favourite but Benn at his best would have applied a level of pressure to Roy that we never really saw. Having said that it may only have produced a new level of excellence from Jones, but it would have been worth seeing.

deadpan · Post by **deadpan** » 01 Jun 2005, 07:32

I would not have wanted to see Benn-Jones, as it would've been after the McClellandfight and Nigel was a shadow of himself after that battle. Even Danny Perez had him in trouble.

I fear Nigel would've been outclassed and hurt.

Pre-McClelland would've been far more competitive, but the same winner.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Jun 2005, 07:47

No way would either Benn or Eubank have hammered Collins. Collins was one tough Hombre, and a naturally bigger man than either. In his fight with Eubank, Collins looked absolutely huge, he must have been over the LH limit.

The fact that Eubank went on to hit and hurt Thompson, is testament to how good Collins chin was. Benn was definetly well gone by the time he faced Collins, it's clear in both fights than his balance is shot, and the power isn't there, but I think Collins would have beaten Benn even in his prime.

Collins was a very well schooled fighter, rough and tumble, but effective, and very very strong, not to mention difficult to deter, he would probably have outworked Eubank too, as Eubank rarely liked a hectic pace, though he could take it to the trenches when needs be.

Collins would not have had a hope against Jones at SM, none of them would, though strangely, most American pundits rate Eubank very highly and see him as the best challenge. Jones was really in his pomp back then, had it all in spades and although Collins would almost certainly have seen the final bell, he'd have taken a pasting throughout the fight.

Collins v Watson, had Watson not had that fateful second fight against Benn, would have been a cracker. I think Collins may have been just too strong for Watson, but Watson had the better skills. The fight against McCallum showed how strong Collins really was. Watson was really a middleweight, and McCallum had a harder time with the sheer physical bulk of Collins and his undentable chin.

Nelson v McGuigan is a good call.

I remember Nelson calling McGuigan out, calling him 'MaWoman' or something similar. I don't know whether McGuigan avoided Nelson or not, or perhaps his management didn't fancy it, but it would have been a cracking fight. I think McGuigan's style would have suited Nelson though, and he would have found a way to win.